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Posted by yadkintar on 11-18-2019 11:31 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Mr Depue, are you saying that it is the guide's fault if a dog goes .75 to a mile to tree a coon? If a dog goes .75 at my house, it is out of hearing. Is it the guide's fault if the dogs get struck on every drop but they have a dead cast? Does every guide have to have a woods where dogs can tree 4 coons now? Most of my woods only have 1 coon. And I am the best guide at my club.

If you hadent shot the other one out you would have had two lol.

Tar

Posted by Richard Lambert on 11-19-2019 01:36 AM:

Tarbaby, I have to go out of town to shoot one out.

Posted by novicane65 on 11-19-2019 02:31 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Mr Depue, are you saying that it is the guide's fault if a dog goes .75 to a mile to tree a coon? If a dog goes .75 at my house, it is out of hearing. Is it the guide's fault if the dogs get struck on every drop but they have a dead cast? Does every guide have to have a woods where dogs can tree 4 coons now? Most of my woods only have 1 coon. And I am the best guide at my club.

Yes to some extent. You may be correct and have the best hunting at your club but I don't think you should try to say its the other guys fault or his dogs fault for wanting to tree a coon. Maybe I don't completely understand your hunting ground down there. But here your dog better have a really good mouth to hear it at .75 or a mile. But if you're saying you only have 1 coon per spot and your sections are 3 miles by 3 miles then you need better ground. I doubt very much there's only 1 coon per 3 square miles anywhere in the country east of the Rockies.

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Posted by Dave Richards on 11-19-2019 03:03 AM:

Eric DePue

Funny, it depends on how good the dog is in determing how many coons one has. The better the dog it seems the more coons are there, crazy how that works! Wink, wink! In these mountains, some folks swear coons are scarce, while others tree coons every night, some even call it luck, I call it dog power. Lol. Dave

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Posted by novicane65 on 11-19-2019 07:00 PM:

Re: Eric DePue

quote:
Originally posted by Dave Richards
Funny, it depends on how good the dog is in determing how many coons one has. The better the dog it seems the more coons are there, crazy how that works! Wink, wink! In these mountains, some folks swear coons are scarce, while others tree coons every night, some even call it luck, I call it dog power. Lol. Dave

Oh I agree on the dog power. But 1 thing is for sure, no matter how much dog power you have there will be nights that it seems coons are unicorns. Because they just don't move on some nights. But if your ground just doesn't have coons and a dog goes to find 1 then how can you blame the dog?

Posted by Richard Lambert on 11-19-2019 07:04 PM:

Hunting to find a coon and running through a woods and out the other side in a straight line are two different things. I had a dog once that every once in awhile he would "hunt" all night and never get treed. He would just ramble through the country and never come back. He would go 3 or 4 miles and never stop. I would usually get him the next morning at someone's house. Do you call that hunting?

Posted by Robert Johnson on 11-21-2019 02:59 PM:

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Originally posted by novicane65
I agree to some extent.

Richard and Rock, if you guide to a place that just isn't big enough for 4 dogs to be able to tree 4 different coons then you probably shouldn't guide. That's all I'm saying. Now are some of the handlers to blame for the dogs going through a 3 mile section and not even hunting it, yes. But if you're basing your ground off of your dog that hunts around you (within 300-600 yards) but get torn up over someone else's dog going to find a coon at .75 or a mile then I'd say you're ground isn't very good or you don't like a dog that trees coon instead of slick den trees. How many dogs blow through these sections of woods without treeing a coon? How often does it happen?

Its not too uncommon here to cast a dog any given night and not get something going in 2 hours. It doesn't happen every night but it does happen just like any where in the country. I have been guilty of correcting a dog when it comes into another dog, but it came from a long ways off to get there. Not 200 yards but anything over 400, it better find its own to run. I personally like close and lonely dogs. The type that can tree any type of coon and look good doing it. But I don't like grass growing under their feet either. I like 1 to move around but hunt from the time its unsnapped and tree a coon whether its 50 yards or 2 miles.

Eric you just have no clue . I hunt big enough grounds for two casts to hunt two hours, and have, but them all alone idiots have ruined it. simple and true. No need to reply. It tarnishes your image when you speak about a persons ground and have never been to it. You probably don't even know where Georgia is.

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Posted by Robert Johnson on 11-21-2019 03:00 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by novicane65
I agree to some extent.

Richard and Rock, if you guide to a place that just isn't big enough for 4 dogs to be able to tree 4 different coons then you probably shouldn't guide. That's all I'm saying. Now are some of the handlers to blame for the dogs going through a 3 mile section and not even hunting it, yes. But if you're basing your ground off of your dog that hunts around you (within 300-600 yards) but get torn up over someone else's dog going to find a coon at .75 or a mile then I'd say you're ground isn't very good or you don't like a dog that trees coon instead of slick den trees. How many dogs blow through these sections of woods without treeing a coon? How often does it happen?

Its not too uncommon here to cast a dog any given night and not get something going in 2 hours. It doesn't happen every night but it does happen just like any where in the country. I have been guilty of correcting a dog when it comes into another dog, but it came from a long ways off to get there. Not 200 yards but anything over 400, it better find its own to run. I personally like close and lonely dogs. The type that can tree any type of coon and look good doing it. But I don't like grass growing under their feet either. I like 1 to move around but hunt from the time its unsnapped and tree a coon whether its 50 yards or 2 miles.

Posted by Redneck Mafia on 11-21-2019 05:10 PM:

Mr. Rock Johnson, I see your valid point on hunting ground it is a problem with many and a good post but what if anything does that have to do with whether a HD can or cannot leave the grounds? MOH or HD cannot fix that issue and whether or not one is present doesn't either.
There are clubs that need every available guide, clubs where the best guide may also be the HD and clubs where everyone just wants to hunt. My self if our in house MOH wants to hunt and needs me to be a HD for the night I just want the right to leave to go uptown to the restroom when ours are winterized or to go to the grocery store for something I have forgotten.

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Posted by yadkintar on 11-21-2019 11:39 PM:

My point is next year when everybody is trying to get their cast wins for the big show we don’t know if we are going to have 5 dogs or 50 dogs show up you need everybody available to make sure they get to hunt.

Tar

Posted by novicane65 on 11-22-2019 02:10 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Robert Johnson
Eric you just have no clue . I hunt big enough grounds for two casts to hunt two hours, and have, but them all alone idiots have ruined it. simple and true. No need to reply. It tarnishes your image when you speak about a persons ground and have never been to it. You probably don't even know where Georgia is.

Just like I'm sure you'll tell me I live up north in the land of plenty. My point was the fact it doesn't happen on every cast you guide. And if it did, you'd know to take them to a different spot. I don't worry about what you or anyone thinks of me or my image. But by the Georgia comment I'd say you showed YOUR image loud n clear. Not every trainer or handler works their dog over for being close to other dogs.

Posted by G.W. Harring on 11-23-2019 06:46 PM:

ALLEN / TODD

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOP!!!!!

I'm try'n to holler out Allen and/or Todd to chime in on this subject and put it to rest one way or the other?!?

There's been 7 pages and about 6,400 views on this one. There's about 2,500 views and a 82% YES vote for the "option" to let the HD hunt on a different poll thread.

There's still time to go with the 82% majority opinion in 2020 while making UKC more $ in the process. This "option" would also allow the 18% to let someone sit at the club house if that's what they choose.

In 7 pages I've seen NOTHING that wouldn't qualify allowing this simple, already proven to work, "option" as a NO BRAINER.

The customers have given their opinions, now it's all up to UKC. From here on out we're just burn'n daylight and kick'n the can down the road.

What do you say Allen/Todd, yes or no?

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Posted by Les Young09 on 11-23-2019 11:08 PM:

Re: Re: Corey Gruver

quote:
Originally posted by Corey Gruver
Clubs that do not have enough people to facilitate a panel (or low man power in general) should probably have a licensed MOH to rely on instead of utilizing the Hunt Director format...

And if they can't facilitate a licensed official or enough man power to have a panel assist a hunt director, should they even be holding events?

Believe me, I'm not trying to be hard on new clubs or clubs that might be sitting upon hard times, it's just the point. No club should be run by one singular person, and any of you that are experiencing that, I'm very sorry to hear that!

Cory, in my opinion you entirely have the wrong thought process on this. Simply put there are many small clubs in rural areas that don't draw big numbers, but have dedicated hunters. Those same clubs like the hunt director format because lot of hunters everywhere will absolutely not become a master of hounds. Some may not be able to pass the test & some just won't be a MOH because if they're not hunting they aren't going to help the local clubs out like a lot of the fellows in rural areas do for all the local clubs because there aren't any moh available. These small clubs are just as much a part of the grass root of coon hunting as any big clubs are & if they want to hold hunts they absolutely should be allowed to. I for one also think UKC should let one hour weeknight hunts be held & they should also have a UKC rep available any time a hunts are going on. UKC would definitely benefit financially a huge amount by this & wouldn't have to worry about who was number 1 either. Of course they evidently have all the money they need rolling in since they have the best registry there is & evidently they know it too.

Posted by G.W. Harring on 11-25-2019 04:10 PM:

Re: ALLEN / TODD

quote:
Originally posted by G.W. Harring
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOP!!!!!

I'm try'n to holler out Allen and/or Todd to chime in on this subject and put it to rest one way or the other?!?

There's been 7 pages and about 6,400 views on this one. There's about 2,500 views and a 82% YES vote for the "option" to let the HD hunt on a different poll thread.

There's still time to go with the 82% majority opinion in 2020 while making UKC more $ in the process. This "option" would also allow the 18% to let someone sit at the club house if that's what they choose.

In 7 pages I've seen NOTHING that wouldn't qualify allowing this simple, already proven to work, "option" as a NO BRAINER.

The customers have given their opinions, now it's all up to UKC. From here on out we're just burn'n daylight and kick'n the can down the road.

What do you say Allen/Todd, yes or no?

Yooohooo! It's that BIG gray thing with the trunk!! LOL

C'mon Allen don't leave us hang'n over the holiday?!?!

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 11-25-2019 04:33 PM:

Oh my goodness, I don't see why the hunt director can't hunt but is it really an "enormous problem"? How long have we had Hunt Directors? They have never been allowed to hunt have they? Is this really "embarrassing, controversial, inflammatory or dangerous? Is coonhunting as we know it going to come to an end if hunt directors are not allowed to hunt? Or will it merely be an inconvenience for the hunt director at a very few hunts. At our hunts, the Hunt Director just has someone hunt their dog.

Posted by G.W. Harring on 11-25-2019 05:21 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Oh my goodness, I don't see why the hunt director can't hunt but is it really an "enormous problem"? How long have we had Hunt Directors? They have never been allowed to hunt have they? Is this really "embarrassing, controversial, inflammatory or dangerous? Is coonhunting as we know it going to come to an end if hunt directors are not allowed to hunt? Or will it merely be an inconvenience for the hunt director at a very few hunts. At our hunts, the Hunt Director just has someone hunt their dog.

Oh my goodness, oh my goodness, that's way too many questions!! LOL

I think you've redefined the term "Questioning Attitude" LOL

I'll make you a deal Mr. Lambert, I'll answer your 5...no, 6 questions (you must have wore out the ? mark key on that last one) if you answer my 1 question first.

Based on the 7 previous pages, can you give (1) GOOD reason not to let the HD hunt as an "option" when you weigh out all of the pros vs cons discussed?

(Hint: This should be an easy one for you since THERE WERE NO GOOD REASONS discussed as to why you wouldn't let the HD hunt. If any, defiantly nothing to out weigh the pros.)

Keep in mind, if it was granted as an "option" and decided within the next month...in 2020 you could still choose whatever works for you "at your hunts" and others could do the same at their hunts.
If you wanted to volunteer at your next hunt to NOT hunt and be the HD, you could. OR, if you wanted to volunteer at your next hunt to be the HD and still hunt your dog you could do that too. Pay your entry to UKC and giddy up. If they needed an extra guide, you could. If you needed an extra judge you could do that too.

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Posted by yadkintar on 11-25-2019 09:46 PM:

I just want some direction from the brass on this with the new programs there will be hunters coming to the small clubs in numbers they are not used to we don’t know if we will have 5 or 50 at least answer these two questions.

1. May the hunt director at least in the event he has more hunters than guides leave long enough to drop out cast ?

2. Or if we run out of guides just go to first come first serve and send the other hunters back home.

If this is not responded to I will just use option number 2.

Tar

Posted by Tim Green on 11-25-2019 11:52 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar

2. Or if we run out of guides just go to first come first serve and send the other hunters back home.

Tar

Come early. Get a bowl of Gumbo and a Guide. Come late, better have already ate. Lol

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Posted by sox12 on 11-26-2019 07:22 PM:

I usually am hunt director at our club so members can hunt and a handler can hunt my hound,is gives younger members more chances to hunt and maybe pick up another entry or two.

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Posted by sox12 on 11-26-2019 07:22 PM:

I usually am hunt director at our club so members can hunt and a handler can hunt my hound,it gives younger members more chances to hunt and maybe pick up another entry or two.

Posted by G.W. Harring on 11-27-2019 06:14 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
Change rule 12. (c) to read
MOH/HD must be present at all times at any open event with (16) or more entries. All major events including any Purina Points events must have a MOH present on grounds.

Change 3rd sentence in 16(a) to read the following... It may be scored with a question mark (?) to be reviewed by the MOH/panel. A fee of $25 for each question must be paid previous to the question(s) being heard.

16. (b) 3. Change last sentence to read the following...
Any handler not satisfied with the out come retains the right to place a (?) to be reviewed by the MOH/panel. A fee of $25 for each question must be paid previous to the question(s) being heard.

Panels
1. In order to form a panel a $25 Panel Fee must be paid for each question previous to question(s) being heard.
Appeals
3. Appeals must be submitted to the MOH/HD with a fee of $100.

*In the event that a MOH/panel or appeal is ruled in favor of the person placing the question or appeal all fees will be returned. If the MOH/ panel or appeal is ruled against fees will be retained by UKC to be submitted to the youth fund.

There I fixed it...

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Posted by Toad Hill on 11-27-2019 06:27 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
At our hunts, the Hunt Director just has someone hunt their dog.

There you have it folks ! You just have to find a loophole - problem solved ! Richard i didnt know you was so sly

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Posted by Toad Hill on 11-27-2019 06:27 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
At our hunts, the Hunt Director just has someone hunt their dog.

There you have it folks ! You just have to find a loophole - problem solved ! Richard i didnt know you was so sly

Posted by G.W. Harring on 11-27-2019 06:31 PM:

I got the answer :

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
When ever we try to get them to do what they don’t want to we get the silent treatment !!

Tar

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Posted by Allen / UKC on 11-27-2019 07:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
I just want some direction from the brass on this with the new programs there will be hunters coming to the small clubs in numbers they are not used to we don’t know if we will have 5 or 50 at least answer these two questions.

1. May the hunt director at least in the event he has more hunters than guides leave long enough to drop out cast ?

2. Or if we run out of guides just go to first come first serve and send the other hunters back home.

If this is not responded to I will just use option number 2.

Tar

I'm sorry I can't tell you what you want to hear but the rulebook is clear and answers this question.

Secondly, I understand those who feel strongly that we should change this policy. We considered it and decided to take it to the Rules Committee. They discussed it and made their points. It didn't pass. Therefore, we have no intentions other than to keep the HD policy as is.

We can all agree to not always agree. This topic may be one of those. We can also do so without disrespecting those who don't agree.

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