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Originally posted by yadkintar
Brother Richard one more thing then it's yalls stage $45 for a jar of jelly $200 for a cake we raised $11,000 in 8 hrs for something people believed in and there heart was in !! In a little ole two red light town in southern Oklahoma. Figure out why we did that in ukc hunts back in the day it will fix today.


It's still there it's just not being used.

Tar

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Dogwhisper, I hope I dont sound like that at all. It is facts of any program like this that a lot of people put money in and dont get much out. Kind of like all those casinos in Vegas. They were built with the dreamers money. Please dont take that wrong. I am a dreamer and always have been and always will be. I think it only helps the program to take enrollment fees from those that never receive a dime in return. Those guys like myself have paid a hundred bucks for years. Now I feel there should be a fee for the one litter or two. But it needs to be high enough so it doesnt stop the dreamers from putting in their hundred bucks each year and waiting till they have a female lined up. That would destroy the program because everyone who bred one or two females would wait and pay when they bred females. Make it so they can but make it cost more.
Just like the $kc ss program. Cost about forty bucks when pip is less than a year old. Several hundred a few years later. All those dreamers registering those young pups are what produce hundreds of thousands of dollars each year for the winning participents. Facts are it doesnt matter what I think. Ukc will make changes as they see fit. Then we will be telling them how they could of done better. The foundation of successful coon hound programs are in place. The wheel isnt being invented here. Just trying to get it rounder to take some of the bumps out.

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Don't have a club unfortunately I was taking money out of my own pocket to keep it open due to lack of interest still lots of hunters here some drive from here and pay $6,500 to hunt in a hunt they lost interest in the ukc format and titles don't mean nothing to them. But maybe it's my fault there are lots of young ones here that hunt but they have no work ethic around the club and I don't do lazy. One was saying he didn't have a dog to hunt I said well hunt mine he said $600 a month and I only hunt for money I said how much have you won ? He said nothing yet but I am going to lol. Tim I believe in you if something goes wrong I got your back. To get this thing to work ukc has got to get people where they got their back again and believe in them. Now that's the way I feel and I hope Sombody understands what I mean.



Tar

I got your back and always will But if I disagree with you I let you know and we are ok wit that. Now UKC gives us the platform an I feel it’s up to us how we run a club and I know it’s tuff when only a few show up.

Mr Tim.

Buuuuuuut what if I could get 25 coonhunters to converge on a club with their wife's and donations pies and cakes and have a fish fry and advertise in the community for everybody and raise $11,000 to get a club on its feet those boys that wouldn't come before when they found out the club had money in the bank would be all over that. That's what it takes.

It's only 8 hours well spent


Tar

You make everyone fill welcome until they break UKC rules or the clubs bylaws then weed them out.

Mr Tim.

I am saying we as coonhunters. Got to include the community ain't nobody that won't pay $10 for all the fish they could eat or smoked brisket send out to all surrounding clubs you need help they will come no hunt just a whole day of fund raiser you get money in the bank you can buy stuff they want to hunt for stuff or money ukc said its ok to give it then you will have it. I just got old and tired but I can cook and I will help anybody that wants it.



Tar

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Shane, is it "worth your trouble" to go to a coon hunt. How much time do you spend getting your dog ready? How much time do you spend driving to and from a coon hunt? How much time do you spend during the hunt? How much does all of this cost?
As I said, it is all a matter of perception. How much time and effort do you spend filling out the paperwork to nominate a pup? How much does it cost? How much does a win at a hunt with 5 dogs pay? It all depends on how you look at it Or how it is presented.

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Originally posted by berger
That is the one of change's they should make. The other is let Gr Nt and Nt ch draw out together at the local hunts as long as there isn't any breed sectional or State hunt affiliated with it just a local UKC hunt by the club. This program wasn't implemented for big dollars it was implemented to give back some of the hunters expense, let the little guy play and keep the Gr Nt coming and hunting at the local hunts.

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Tone it down guys, or they will delete another good topic...

reduce the number of hunts on a given night.

Sat July 28th there are 6 UKC hunts(3 other KC events but can't control that)wihin 200 miles. Remove the one RQE, that leaves 5 night hunts.

Say an average of 8 Registered dogs per hunt. Break down on an 8 dog hunt is .8 for first and .4 for second. That is a total of 6.0 performace points earned in one night for the combined 5 hunts, five checks below $50, if we use 1 point equals $100.

Now eliminate some hunts and say most of the hunters travel to this one hunt, some may stay home, some may travel in a different direction. 20+ dogs breaks down to 2.0 first, 1.0 second, and .5 third. 3.5 points earned and no checks under $50.

You just saved 2.5 points on the weekend and wrote less checks. The First place for Night Champion is harder to get, so that award may mean something again.(no offense but competing with one other cast winner or winning your cast, is not the same as winning a 5+ cast hunt)

Pros
Point value should go up with less winners
Less checks to write especially under $50
Less administration for less hunts
More per dog money for local club
Champion awards more challenging

Cons
Less performance winners
Less hunt fees to UKC (however that fee could raise also)

Just my thoughts
Cliff

Not going to eliminate hunts when they get $45 just for a hunt packet

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Originally posted by MR.RATMAN
Not going to eliminate hunts when they get $45 just for a hunt packet

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Originally posted by Kenneth Tavares
I wish they would let Reg/NtCh/GrNt hunt together. High cast winning reg get a first and high NtCh get a win.

Give the performance points based off of high scoring dog, second high scoring dog. No third place.

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Originally posted by K. Singletary
Why would I hunt in UKC if all dogs hunted together, I can already do that in 3 other registries that give out more than a win slip. I prefer not to hunt my pup with a grouchy 8 year old GrNtCh. I would likely never hunt another UKC again if all dogs hunted together, there just wouldn't be any point to it.

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Tone it down guys, or they will delete another good topic...

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Originally posted by K. Singletary
Why would I hunt in UKC if all dogs hunted together, I can already do that in 3 other registries that give out more than a win slip. I prefer not to hunt my pup with a grouchy 8 year old GrNtCh. I would likely never hunt another UKC again if all dogs hunted together, there just wouldn't be any point to it.

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Originally posted by K. Singletary
Why would I hunt in UKC if all dogs hunted together, I can already do that in 3 other registries that give out more than a win slip. I prefer not to hunt my pup with a grouchy 8 year old GrNtCh. I would likely never hunt another UKC again if all dogs hunted together, there just wouldn't be any point to it.

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First I don't know all is for hunting grands with the rest but I know this with social media a grand gets his butt kicked by three redgistered dogs or three ntchs they spread it all over the web the next day he won't be back I don't think as many will hunt them as not.



I always wanted to move up in competition with my grands not down.




Tar

I doubt it would shock anyone if a grandnite or any other dog got his butt handed to em a time or to. You got zero competition now for grandnites at UKC local hunt

When I grntch mine I was done at the local level I hit the road state and breed hunts autum oaks , winter classic and larger money hunts no shortage of hunts to hunt a grntch in and they pay a lot more then whoopen up on 3 local dogs jmo.



Tar

Y'all might be right. What Gr Nt wants to hunt against some young reg dog and take a chance on getting beat. And what reg dog wants to have to hunt against an experienced older Gr Nt in order to try to get a win.

Who knows for sure? Not me. But a guy like me that doesn't $hi+ through dogs like candy and assuming there is a goal of some sort to go for. Don't know how many mes there are out there

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
What Gr Nt wants to hunt against some young reg dog and take a chance on getting beat. And what reg dog wants to have to hunt against an experienced older Gr Nt in order to try to get a win.

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I always wanna draw the 3 best dogs at the hunt. Rather they're titled or not makes no nevermind to me.

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What about having a membership for anyone wanting to participate in the program?

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It is hard enough to get them to pay up their dog, now you want them to have to pay themselves up too? What happened to ideas that would increase interest and participation without increasing fees?