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Ozark Preacher

Well, is he Finley River bred?

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Bill Fulmer

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wish I knew more on what he went back to.

That is as far back as I have his ped. Where is the Gasconade River? see, http://www.canoemissouri.com/drivingmap.html

Gasconade was misspelled in the pedigree from UKC and I changed it, but it appears that I typed it into the database wrong.


Can anyone supply his pedigree further back than what we have? I bet John Wick would know, because I think he ended up owning this hound. Do you notice that there is not that many 'PR' hounds there. Probably came from the old boy's pack pictured above. LOL I think that Preacher had a blanket back and red head and legs with white feet.

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Bill Fulmer

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Some of the old Hi-Tans looked kind of similiar to Preacher, could that be where he got his coloring? Even 5-6 generations away that marking still shows up. What traits did direct offspring out of Preacher have?

PREACHER

Most of preacher's pups had a lot of black and a blaze fase.The white on them was super white.

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Originally posted by terry willford
Some of the old Hi-Tans looked kind of similiar to Preacher, could that be where he got his coloring? Even 5-6 generations away that marking still shows up. What traits did direct offspring out of Preacher have?

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Bill Fulmer

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Bill, I really dont know having never hunted with the dog I dont know what type of dog he was. If he work a colder track and come up with a coon he would probably be considered to have F.R. traits. Preacher really is a unknown to me, he is way back in one of my dogs pedigrees but so far back I dont know anything about him(doesnt even show up on the 3 gen). Im just as curious about him as you are.

Let's see if we can get John Wick to respond. I'm sure that he has pictures and knows about him some more. Someone told me last night that Preacher was really good working corn fields. I think that he sired two or three world champions. I have been approached about crossing Whitey, who has one Preacher cross back a way, with a linebred Preacher gyp. I think that I would get pick of the litter.

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I think the fella that owned preacher before John Wick bought him recently died( within the last couple of years ) I remember seeing an obituary in bloodlines about it. I dont think Uncle John is goona respond, might have to give him a call.

my old babe dog

went back to preacher thru the same cross thats back in porqupine valley rebal, that tan leg mark still shows up in every litter. i never hunted with preacher but i did hunt with ozark nellie a daughter of preacher and she was still a coon treeing machine at thirteen yrs old.

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does anyone know of a finley river tom tom dog out there i had a very nice hound out of cheif and tom tom i think they were like 2nd genration on his papers and im looking 2 replace him i bred im then he died of cancer and the pups were still born so i have lost his line

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......if you have more circle than plus points you ain't got a coon dog

sorry i put tom tom down but he was yakin river tom tom finley river cheif

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......if you have more circle than plus points you ain't got a coon dog

btt

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......if you have more circle than plus points you ain't got a coon dog

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btt

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Bill Fulmer

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i dont really rember i just know that he was out of yakin river tom tom and finley river cheif

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......if you have more circle than plus points you ain't got a coon dog

Bill did you get to talk to John yet?

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Originally posted by terry willford
Bill did you get to talk to John yet?

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Bill Fulmer

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Ozark Preacher

I talked to John Wick today about Preacher. I found him to be gracious and very open in regard to my questions. I will try to accurately summerize what he had to say.

First, he would not consider Preacher to be a "Finley River" hound. He shared with me that Preacher was a departure from the Finley River hounds in that they tended to be better track hounds than tree hounds. FR hounds needed a little work on tree.

Second, Preacher hunted with his head up and winded. He would not get bogged down running a cold track. Excellant at finding layups. Very accurate hound. Preacher was close mouthed until treed. He would hunt the terrain but tended to hunt closer than many. He is ideal for today's hunting on smaller farms. He would cover all the ground systematically.

Third, Preacher was marked up like a "Trigg Hound." He looked very houndy. He carries the "chalk eye" recessive gene. He only produced 20 litters in his lifetime. Very prepotent sire in regard to both looks and ability.

Fourth, Preacher was a very intelligent hound. He kept repeating this. He did not take very well to heavy handed handling. He was easy to handle.

Fifth, Mr. Wick wishes that he knew the formula that Preacher's breeder used. The older he gets, the more he values the skill set that Preacher brought with him.

We need to read his books. Preacher is prominent in them.

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What say you all?

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Bill Fulmer

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Nice work Bill. I'm supprised at the amount of attention this thread has drawn. Wouldnt it be something to go back and hunt with some of these hounds mentioned.

I wondered also about the notion that F.R. bread hounds needed help on the tree. If they didnt, I think you'd have the recipe for the perfect hound. And it's getting that time of year again where the tracking is really becoming harder for them, not as many easier pop up coons to pick on. If only it was as easy as switching a button to pick what kind of hound you wished to hunt, that paticuilar night.

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Harley de Koning

i always heard finley river joe treed for a 1 1/2 hrs
in a rain strom the night Mr Monroe bought him.
how much tree power you want

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Originally posted by terry willford
I think looking back over this thread that Finley River Bell was 1/2 bluetick and that old Chief had some bluetick, Now Lone Pine Jill is Logans wild Julies mother, Julie is Logans Wild Clovers mother. If UKC changed the Pedigree on Lady would that change the "pr" status on any of the all grand studs today? Doesnt a dog have to have a known UKC 6 generation pedigree to have 'pr' status? As far as genetic mud goes, sometimes its fun to play in the mud.

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- CH. Gr.Nite Ch. Hickory Nut Dan IV 2004 ukc world hunt finalist
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Originally posted by blueticking: it
i always heard finley river joe treed for a 1 1/2 hrs
in a rain strom the night Mr Monroe bought him.
how much tree power you want

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Harley de Koning

I think that what was relayed to me was that the tree power was not consistent within the strain. Some had it, and some did not. Probably because of the amount of running Walker stock that was being introduced.

Still from a strict standpoint, what would you all consider a Finley River hound? Almost all of today's hounds have some degree of Finley River. That includes the non-Walkers as well. LOL

I had been told that Preacher was one of those hounds who would consistently tree coons out of a corn field. Mr. Wick shared with me that Preacher allowed all the others to run into the field while he cruised around the perimeter with his head up and silent. He got most of the trees. LOL He kept repeating that the hound was smart. He would figure out what was needed and get the meat up the tree.

How can a hound that only sires 20 litters leave such a large imprint upon the breed?

Does a intelligent hound keep practicing, so to speak, and keep improving with age?

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Bill Fulmer

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Good question. I'd say yes. But I'd have to point out that you said "intelligent hound". I believe a dog's traits are amplified with his age. Good traits with the help of a good handler would most definatly get stronger with experiance.

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Harley de Koning

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Originally posted by blueticking: it
i always heard finley river joe treed for a 1 1/2 hrs
in a rain strom the night Mr Monroe bought him.
how much tree power you want

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