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Originally posted by Rip
Sorry, not what he was asking for. You posted a single town voting on it.

He said state of Wisconson, not a city, and he was clearly referring to the state wide ban in the context of the discussion.

The article you linked was one town taking "credit" for the ban and saying that town voted on it. It doesn't say anything about the citizens of the state voting on it.

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Originally posted by judson
NEWPORT INDIANA, stores more nerve gas there to kill the whole State Of Indiana and Sournding States. I would be more woried, about that more than a little cig smoke!!!! It has been on our local News from Terra Haute, Indiana for years about them wanting to destroy it, but nothing has been done with it. Grab a cig and take a puff , because if that nerve gas was too be bombed or messed with it would be allot worse than a little secondary smoke. But those Hoosiers are so smart to ban a little smoke from a old man that has smoked for 40years. I'm a non smoker and just don't beleive the right to tell our nation of people to do what the radicals have done. JMO

Jamey Judson

Just the first step to take every right we have AWAY!!!!

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Originally posted by hellcat
Scott
Do you mind posting a link to a site showing where this was voted on by the general public in WI. I wasn't aware that a smoking ban was ever on the state wide ballot. I thought it was passed by the small minded political hacks who have never cited had the studies showing that second hand smoke was a serious health issue.
You Know, The type that feel their role in life is to protect the public from themselves. While adding to the power of
Big Brother !!

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E dose this mean someone esle is goning to have a chance this year at AO?

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Originally posted by 1deadeye
Read what he posted .He asked two different questions. So I guess the people in Appleton aren't citizens of the state??
To funny.

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what is so bad about this is the fact that smoking DOES NOT cause cancer.
read your pack is says MAY CAUSE CANCER..
do you know why it reads like this?
Because it takes 2 chemicals to cancer cancer to start.
cigs, and other products have ONE of the chemicals
SOME peoples bodies have ONE of these chemicals and some dont.
That is why some people can smoke all their life and never get cancer ( their body does not have ONE of the chemicals required to start cancer)
And some people that have never smoked get cancer because their body does have ONE of the chemicals and they ate or drank another product that has the other chemical required to start cancer.
HERE is how ignorant the non smoking community is..
A new term (THIRD HAND SMOKE) has come out.
They are saying 3rd hand smoke is the smoke in furniture,cloth, cars, ect ect ect.
They recomend for people to buy new furniture and cloths because little kids touch the furniture, cloths ect, ect, ect, and the chemicals get on their hand and then the kids put their hands in their mouth thus risking their heath.
But they say if you cant afford the new furniture, cloths, ect, ect, ect, to wash said furniture, cloths, ect, ect, with bleach.
But they say that the bleach might not take the chemicals off of the furniture, cloths, ect, ect, ect,..
NOW HERE IS WHERE IS GET FUNNY..
If bleach WILL NOT get the chemicals off of the furniture, cloths ect, ect, how in the hell is it just gonna come off when the kids touch it?
Now get real here, if bleach wont take it off, I am certain that it isnt gonna just come off when a kids touchs it..
And for all of you wanting fresh air?
leave your cars at home and walk. you are doing more harm than we smokers!!!!
dont believe me?
put 50 people in a closed garage and let 49 of them smoke untill someone dies..(Ill bet it take along time)
now take 1 person and put them in a closed garage with a running car and see how long it takes for them to die..
I will bet 20 million the guy in the garage with the car dies first..
And as far as going to AOs.
I was going, but I am glad I read about this first..
I will not be going now,
And as a side note, someone was saying they have bad scars from someones cig hitting their hand..you are so full of it..I have burnt myself on many instances, and not a scar one..
to leave a scar you have to hold it there and really get burned..
That does not happen by brushing against a cig..
So back up and quit lying just because you dont like smoking..

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Wild Dog, If you cannot see that every person who smokes is negatively affected by smoking then you are blind and in denial. Inhaling smoke,nicotine, and tar into your lungs for a few years shows up on you, on the inside and the outside.


But please understand, I am all for your freedoms. I think, if you want to shorten your life, allow your children and grandchildren see you slowly suffocate to death, and flush money down the toilet that could have been spent on your family or a good coonhound, then, by all means,puff away. I will defend your right to be stupid as long as I live. Which will probably be longer than most of you smokers.LOL!.jkjkjk

in new york a good portion of the state workers retirment fund is invested in the tobacco industry on top of that the put a hefty raise on tobacco to get people to quit or so they say that is the reason. if i lived till i was 150 i couldn't use whats in my individual retirement account however when i die this money reverts to the general fund how stupid is this

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Originally posted by Richard Bull
Im gonna check and see if it's a paying job and if it is I'M TAKING IT!!!!

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nailor man,
I am not saying it is good for you in anyway. It would take someone stupid to think that.
But it isnt as bad as people make it out to be is my point.
The effects of smoking isnt a slow suffocation, of even your lungs just rotting away inside your body. Smoking has never been proved to do more than contribute to the cause of some illnesses.
But people make it out to be so bad that the first thing a doctor ask you when you go to see them with a common cold is DO YOU SMOKE.
If you say yes then there is your problem mopst of the time according to them. But if you say no then they have to hunt for another reason..
There is worse things in the air and even in the food we eat and nobody thinks nothing of it.
Again, I am not saying it is good for you just not as bad as people have been lead to believe.
oh, and by the way.. If you think just because you dont smoke you will live linger than a smoker. You better check on that.
My mom is 70 something and has smoked her whole life, my grand father, I guess smoked himself to death at the age of 97..
So I guess you plan on living to 150 since you dont smoke?
And besides that, I know who holds the thread of life and I will life as long as HE allows me to live reguardless of if I smoke or not,

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Originally posted by WILD DOG
nailor man,
I am not saying it is good for you in anyway. It would take someone stupid to think that.
But it isnt as bad as people make it out to be is my point.
The effects of smoking isnt a slow suffocation, of even your lungs just rotting away inside your body. Smoking has never been proved to do more than contribute to the cause of some illnesses.

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Originally posted by cnmfarm
Very well put!! People, what a lot of us fail to realize is this is NOT a smokers vs anti-smokers issue!! Until we all realize this and other laws, bans, and minority special interest groups politically correct jargon is simply this.. Another one of our civil rights as Americans taken away, we will continue down this road until we can no longer do Anything that another person finds offensive. Which includes hunting, and simply owning, our dogs. Don't make a big issue out of it?? Just let it slide?? That's how we got where we are in the first place. If we don't start making a stand now then when?? Smoking a civil right?????

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Let me clarify some things.

Smoking is absolutely terrible for the person that does it, it absoultely positively does cause cancer, emphysema, aneuryms, peripheral vascular disease and many other things. The science very clearly backs this up.

That said, those effects have only been proven to be on the smoker himself/herself, and not those around them.

And that is why it gets back to a personal rights thing, people have a right to do stupid things as long as they don't harm someone else. In other words, people have the right to smoke, drink, over eat, eat the wrong foods, not exercise, etc etc.

Smoking outside harms no one but the smoker, therefore stopping it does no benifit, and only infringes on the smokers right to live thier life as he/she wants.

I hate smoking, I wish everyone would quit because it would certianly make my life much easier, but it IS their right to continue to smoke. It would be wrong for me or anyone else to stomp on that right by 'banning' smoking.

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..I don't smoke.............hate it (lung cancer after 3 packs a day killed my father)...........but I FULLY support a person's right to kill themselves, anyway they desire.........folks wanna light up a coffin nail OUTSIDE......that's THEIR business.......ps--I feel the same way about seat belts...........minors under 18-mandatory...................anybody over 18, hey, man..............it's your life....you don't want to wear 'em,........more power to ya...........

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Funny Story <true story>

Yesterday I watched a 300 pound woman <guessing> walk up to a apparently in shape smoker <skinny guy> and start the lecture about how unhealthy smoking is ect,ect,ect. When this apparently healthy smoker said something about her weight he was slapped and Ms. Big Butt stormed off. I know that I shouldn't have been but I was laughing my butt off at this cartoonish Smoker VS Big Butt battle. Dose anyone have any doubt what would have happened if the smoker had walked up to Ms.Big Butt telling her about how unhealthy her weight was and then slapped her.

If you extend a persons life line long enough there is a ZERO survival rate, We all die of something someday. We all make choices every day that lead us down the path. I think that each person has the right to name their own poison.

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Originally posted by hellcat
Yesterday I watched a 300 pound woman <guessing> walk up to a apparently in shape smoker <skinny guy> and start the lecture about how unhealthy smoking is

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Really !!!

When did you start dating Women !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by hellcat
Yesterday I watched a 300 pound woman <guessing> walk up to a apparently in shape smoker <skinny guy> and start the lecture about how unhealthy smoking is ect,ect,ect. When this apparently healthy smoker said something about her weight he was slapped and Ms. Big Butt stormed off. I know that I shouldn't have been but I was laughing my butt off at this cartoonish Smoker VS Big Butt battle. Dose anyone have any doubt what would have happened if the smoker had walked up to Ms.Big Butt telling her about how unhealthy her weight was and then slapped her.

If you extend a persons life line long enough there is a ZERO survival rate, We all die of something someday. We all make choices every day that lead us down the path. I think that each person has the right to name their own poison.

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I don't smoke never have,now that that is out of the way.I personally don't care if someone smokes or does not smoke.Or where they smoke at inside or outside.Its none of my business what others do or where they do it at.Seems to me like the other non smokers and former smokers need to get off of their holier than thou crap.If someone wants to smoke that is their right and their business.To many people are to worried about what others do.And if don't agree with it they put them down because of it and or try and get it banned/outlawed.People either need to get a life or worry about their own life instead of worrying so much about what others do.

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Originally posted by hellcat
General Public in WI.
1gen·er·al
Pronunciation: \ˈjen-rəl, ˈje-nə-\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin generalis, from gener-, genus kind, class — more at kin
Date: 14th century
1: involving, applicable to, or affecting the whole
2: involving, relating to, or applicable to every member of a class, kind, or group <the general equation of a straight line>
3: not confined by specialization or careful limitation
4: belonging to the common nature of a group of like individuals

1 a: exposed to general view : open b: well-known, prominent c: perceptible, material
2 a: of, relating to, or affecting all the people or the whole area of a nation or state <public law> b: of or relating to a government c: of, relating to, or being in the service of the community or nation
1 a: exposed to general view : open b: well-known, prominent c: perceptible, material
2 a: of, relating to, or affecting all the people or the whole area of a nation or state <public law> b: of or relating to a government c: of, relating to, or being in the service of the community or nation

Seemed like a easy question <LOL>

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Smoking outside should be allowed as long as the ones who do throw there nasty cigerete butts in a trash can and not on the ground!!!! if I could I would right every SOB who threw out a a butt a ticket. I cut grass and I have to spend time picking them up off the side of the road and I hate it!!!

Say there are 10,000 people at AO and half smoke. That is 5,000 people. Let's say they smoke 10 apiece per day. After three days that would be 15,000 ciggerete butts. For someone to pick up.

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Originally posted by 1deadeye
It was an easy question. There was just one question, not two like I originally thought. Your lack on proper punctuation makes it hard to understand your "english".
Right back at you body.
http://www.grammarbook.com/english_rules.asp

Scott

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This thread has detoured from intent

Indiana has passed a law to ban smoking on public ground. Arguing if it is right or wrong, will not change the status of smoking at Autumn Oaks. If this is a state law, then all fairgrounds in the state will be affected. Whether it be LeGrange, Portland, or whereever in Indiana. Iowa has pretty much the same law, except the state exempted themselves by permitting smoking at the casinos and Iowa State Fair grounds. How fair does that sound?

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Recently I was eating in a public place and someone at the next table was smoking.Naturally the smoke drifted to our table. My food had not come yet, so as I waited my eyes began to tear up, my nose stopped up and I began to sneeze. Where his smoke may given him a few moments of enjoyment, I suffered with a sinus headache, sneezing and watery and swollen eyes for hours. Maybe I should have rolled my chair over to his table and sneezed snot into his food. See whos rights are violated then. Once again, if folks are smoking where I am not directly affected by it, I have NO problem with it. If all smokers had manners, I doubt we would all be having this conversation! I don't care if a person wants to die of lung cancer,just don't take me with you. Kinda like the person on the airplaine and I'm in the seat next to him and its his time to go, whatabout me???

Indiana

No statewide smoking ban. Instead, Indiana's 1993 statewide smoking law, the Clean Indoor Air Law, generally prohibits smoking in state government buildings, schools, healthcare facilites, fire and police stations, childcare and daycare facilities, healthcare provider offices, retail areas of grocery and drug stores designated as nonsmoking, dining areas of restaurants designated as nonmoking, and school buses during school hours or when transporting children.[56] In state government buildings, schools, healthcare facilities, fire and police stations, childcare and daycare facilities, and healthcare provider offices, the proprietor may designate a smoking area, but does not have to, and in either case must post warning signage as appropriate.[56] The law covers no other places, and the state is empowered to grant waivers from this law.[56] Local governments may regulate smoking more strictly than the state law.[56] Attempts in the Indiana General Assembly to ban smoking statewide have failed three times, first in April 2007 when the Indiana Senate removed a smoking ban from a health care funding bill which had been passed by the Indiana House of Representatives, again in January 2008, when a proposed statewide smoking ban introduced by State Rep. Charlie Brown died in a House committee without a vote or debate,[57] and then again in April 2009 when another proposed statewide smoking ban introduced by Rep. Brown was passed by the House by a vote of 70-26 after being amended to exempt restaurants, bars, and casinos, and then did not receive a committee hearing in the Senate.[58]

reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s#.C2.A0Indiana

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