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Re: Here is a con to hunting hunt directors

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Originally posted by ov_blues
If the hunt director is at the club he can assemble a panel as soon as one or two casts come back in and get the cast with the question back in the woods quicker because he is there to get it done. If a hunting hunt director is out in the woods he might not be able to do that as quickly because he might be one of the last casts in.

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With not having to hunt for placement at the local hunts anymore, why couldn't the deadline be extended if need be for a cast to complete their time because they had to come back in for a panel?

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If there is only 1 cast, does the hunt director still have to sit at the club? Or if there is only 1 cast, how does the hunt director form a panel?

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
If there is only 1 cast, does the hunt director still have to sit at the club? Or if there is only 1 cast, how does the hunt director form a panel?

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If the question does not involve a scratchable offense and there aren't enough members present for a panel, can the hunt director have the panel the next day?

Re: Dave

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Originally posted by yadkintar
When ukc has to come up with the majority of the prize package for the $200,000 hunt out of their own pocket they will listen then.


Tar

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Re: Re: Dave

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Originally posted by Jack Bingham
No they'll just cancel the hunt.

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Tar

Think positive, I believe UKC is listening and I think they will come up with a solution that will please most of us. Letting the hunt director hunt at the smaller clubs would be a win for UKC and the Clubs. Let's look forward to the New Year and work together , things sure look promising new format that everyone wanted and the big dollars everyone thought we needed. Makes a man wish he was back in his prime just to think of the competition we should get this coming year. I am happy for those that will be in the race. Dave

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

If they compromise on this, maybe we can have some 1 hour hunts during the week....just saying.

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Tim Green
Retired Air Force 24+ years
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Dave

I am already in my hunts are scheduled whatever happens I will play but sure would like to get the perfect trifecta I was pushing for in the beginning. Never been one to stop short of a goal once I set my mind to it lol.


Tar

Tar

Now if you get to hunt, I expect you to make a good showing. You need to show your son that you still have the gusto, besides you may want a piece of the big pie that's coming. Lol. Dave

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Re: Tar

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
Now if you get to hunt, I expect you to make a good showing. You need to show your son that you still have the gusto, besides you may want a piece of the big pie that's coming. Lol. Dave

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I got confidence in you and Tar getting the job done, I am concerned about ALL of the small clubs scattered across the country, not enough Tim Greens and Tars to go around. Hopefully, things will work out for the best for all clubs. Dave

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

Dave

All we can take care of is what we control. I want all the clubs to make it, but if people continue to focus on the money side, they aren’t. We will have hunts, and do what it takes to have them. As I read some of the replies on this, I could only think that it wasn’t about the sport, it is about all kinds of other stuff. I feel like, even if one hunter shows up, it is our responsibility to ensure they have a great hunt and a great time. It is about coonhunting and being able to continue. Who knows, that one person may bring someone next time and now we have two. Just my thoughts. Thanks for the kind words Dave.

Tim

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Money side for any club should be the easy part. Here, I have footed the bills for the last 5 years and I am sure there are others that have done the same. Simply put, if a club wants to survive, it normally will, based on the genrosity of the few real members it has. The real variable in surviving is the amount of available lands it has to hunt on, and guides it can round up to use the land it has. In this area, that is becoming a very real issue, and there is nothing that anyone can do to change it. UKC could send 10,000.00 down here for a purse and it still would draw very few as for as guides go. No Hunt Director hunting would help that, and you could announce the MOH a month ahead of time and he/she be the best in the country, and you still don't change anything as far as ground. We moan and grown about things like a hunt director being able to hunt would change things. HOG WASH! Land owners are tired of their lands being encroached on by ole deep and lonely. If you want to save the sport, get a good handle on your dog, and keep them ON the available land you have to hunt. Our guides here won't guide because they know full well that someone will bring one of these dogs to their places and then the adjacent land owners start to complain, and soon they have no where to go. Oh the sport will survive easy enough, but this is the root of the sports trouble. Owners and handlers have to be responsible and man enough to withdraw and keep their hounds within the confines of the place their guides have carried them to hunt. BE RESPECTFUL of others and realize that winning at the expense of others losing their hunting priviledges is bad for ALL. The real world is stated above. I had the pleasure of talking with a gentlemen from the west and he stated that deer season is not a large problem for them. It is here. Land leases go on the average for $12-18.00 per acre with a lot of out of state folks paying as much as $25.00 per acre to hunt on. With a season the runs from September to Mid Janruary, it doesn't leave much good hunting time available, and that's if you can get the leasors to allow you to hunt during off season. Yep, let the hunt director hunt. That solves everything in most folks eyes, if they are blind. Our problems are GROUNDS TO HUNT ON. PUBLIC and PRIVATE. IN GEORGIA, deer hunting is a major business, and the dollars it draws can not be competed with by any other form of hunting, so go figure what is happening. No, its not a fault of any one person, but in our area, the deep and lonely has slam ruined the coon hunting. Let him get onto a lease and the trouble has begun, which it has, and will continue untill the small guy is done and gone. We are living the Walmart vs independent store thing in our sport and we don't want to admit it. We have to change our ways of hunting or we will lose the battle for sure. Yep, Let's focus on getting us a hunting director. That solves it all.

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Originally posted by Robert Johnson
Money side for any club should be the easy part. Here, I have footed the bills for the last 5 years and I am sure there are others that have done the same. Simply put, if a club wants to survive, it normally will, based on the genrosity of the few real members it has. The real variable in surviving is the amount of available lands it has to hunt on, and guides it can round up to use the land it has. In this area, that is becoming a very real issue, and there is nothing that anyone can do to change it. UKC could send 10,000.00 down here for a purse and it still would draw very few as for as guides go. No Hunt Director hunting would help that, and you could announce the MOH a month ahead of time and he/she be the best in the country, and you still don't change anything as far as ground. We moan and grown about things like a hunt director being able to hunt would change things. HOG WASH! Land owners are tired of their lands being encroached on by ole deep and lonely. If you want to save the sport, get a good handle on your dog, and keep them ON the available land you have to hunt. Our guides here won't guide because they know full well that someone will bring one of these dogs to their places and then the adjacent land owners start to complain, and soon they have no where to go. Oh the sport will survive easy enough, but this is the root of the sports trouble. Owners and handlers have to be responsible and man enough to withdraw and keep their hounds within the confines of the place their guides have carried them to hunt. BE RESPECTFUL of others and realize that winning at the expense of others losing their hunting priviledges is bad for ALL. The real world is stated above. I had the pleasure of talking with a gentlemen from the west and he stated that deer season is not a large problem for them. It is here. Land leases go on the average for $12-18.00 per acre with a lot of out of state folks paying as much as $25.00 per acre to hunt on. With a season the runs from September to Mid Janruary, it doesn't leave much good hunting time available, and that's if you can get the leasors to allow you to hunt during off season. Yep, let the hunt director hunt. That solves everything in most folks eyes, if they are blind. Our problems are GROUNDS TO HUNT ON. PUBLIC and PRIVATE. IN GEORGIA, deer hunting is a major business, and the dollars it draws can not be competed with by any other form of hunting, so go figure what is happening. No, its not a fault of any one person, but in our area, the deep and lonely has slam ruined the coon hunting. Let him get onto a lease and the trouble has begun, which it has, and will continue untill the small guy is done and gone. We are living the Walmart vs independent store thing in our sport and we don't want to admit it. We have to change our ways of hunting or we will lose the battle for sure. Yep, Let's focus on getting us a hunting director. That solves it all.

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Originally posted by Robert Johnson
Money side for any club should be the easy part. Here, I have footed the bills for the last 5 years and I am sure there are others that have done the same. Simply put, if a club wants to survive, it normally will, based on the genrosity of the few real members it has. The real variable in surviving is the amount of available lands it has to hunt on, and guides it can round up to use the land it has. In this area, that is becoming a very real issue, and there is nothing that anyone can do to change it. UKC could send 10,000.00 down here for a purse and it still would draw very few as for as guides go. No Hunt Director hunting would help that, and you could announce the MOH a month ahead of time and he/she be the best in the country, and you still don't change anything as far as ground. We moan and grown about things like a hunt director being able to hunt would change things. HOG WASH! Land owners are tired of their lands being encroached on by ole deep and lonely. If you want to save the sport, get a good handle on your dog, and keep them ON the available land you have to hunt. Our guides here won't guide because they know full well that someone will bring one of these dogs to their places and then the adjacent land owners start to complain, and soon they have no where to go. Oh the sport will survive easy enough, but this is the root of the sports trouble. Owners and handlers have to be responsible and man enough to withdraw and keep their hounds within the confines of the place their guides have carried them to hunt. BE RESPECTFUL of others and realize that winning at the expense of others losing their hunting priviledges is bad for ALL. The real world is stated above. I had the pleasure of talking with a gentlemen from the west and he stated that deer season is not a large problem for them. It is here. Land leases go on the average for $12-18.00 per acre with a lot of out of state folks paying as much as $25.00 per acre to hunt on. With a season the runs from September to Mid Janruary, it doesn't leave much good hunting time available, and that's if you can get the leasors to allow you to hunt during off season. Yep, let the hunt director hunt. That solves everything in most folks eyes, if they are blind. Our problems are GROUNDS TO HUNT ON. PUBLIC and PRIVATE. IN GEORGIA, deer hunting is a major business, and the dollars it draws can not be competed with by any other form of hunting, so go figure what is happening. No, its not a fault of any one person, but in our area, the deep and lonely has slam ruined the coon hunting. Let him get onto a lease and the trouble has begun, which it has, and will continue untill the small guy is done and gone. We are living the Walmart vs independent store thing in our sport and we don't want to admit it. We have to change our ways of hunting or we will lose the battle for sure. Yep, Let's focus on getting us a hunting director. That solves it all.

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Originally posted by novicane65
So is it the clubs fault or the guides fault for having a 10 acre patch to cut 3 or 4 dogs on? But then want to complain that the dogs go too deep. Next up is coon population in the spot you guide to. If you don't guide to a spot that has coons in it then what would you like the dogs to do? Make a 100 yard loop and come back? There's more issues than just the dogs. The other issues I've seen is guides that take you to a place that has very few coons but only have a very small area to cut loose on and that's coming from a guy that's never entered in a ukc cast just spectated on them. What I'm getting at is there's more to it than the dogs by far. I guess if your club could only hold 2 hunts a year then that would fix a bunch of this. The hunt numbers would be higher and the small clubs would fold up rather quickly. But there would be 50-60 dogs at every hunt right? I don't think so, you know just like everyone else does its the same 3-10 guys at every hunt. But what allowing the HD to hunt it would at least add another dog to the hunt if they wanted to hunt.

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It sounds like we need another rule change.... Anytime that a dog gets out of pocket or gets on land that guide does not have permission to hunt on, time out must be called and handler has to go catch his dog even if he trees it. And you only have 30 minutes to get it and return to the cast.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
It sounds like we need another rule change.... Anytime that a dog gets out of pocket or gets on land that guide does not have permission to hunt on, time out must be called and handler has to go catch his dog even if he trees it. And you only have 30 minutes to get it and return to the cast.

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I have spots that a good dog can hunt 3 hrs in but old deep and lonely will run through them in 20 min. But I only have a couple of 2-3 hr spots and no one wants to hunt them.

Richard you see the point i was making. Where most dogs could hunt 2-4 hours in our spots, it only takes one to blow out one end and now we got a mess. I guess i failed to mention its 2.9 miles straight through, and about the same wide, but on the clock, a couple of the lonely dogs are clean through it in less than twenty minutes, not because they are not hunting, its because they are scared to death to be close to another dog. Its a man made problem, and one that costs everyone who likes to hunt, wetheryour track of land is large or small. It really doesn't matter to me anymore, i am to old to care, but if the future is the young, then there is none with this type of thing going on.

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Johnson Creek Kennels
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Richard you see the point i was making. Where most dogs could hunt 2-4 hours in our spots, it only takes one to blow out one end and now we got a mess. I guess i failed to mention its 2.9 miles straight through, and about the same wide, but on the clock, a couple of the lonely dogs are clean through it in less than twenty minutes, not because they are not hunting, its because they are scared to death to be close to another dog. Its a man made problem, and one that costs everyone who likes to hunt, wetheryour track of land is large or small. It really doesn't matter to me anymore, i am to old to care, but if the future is the young, then there is none with this type of thing going on.

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Robert " Rock" Johnson

Johnson Creek Kennels
home of:
UKC Grand Nite Champion "PR" Yadkin River Addkis. Deceased 12/11/2016 RIP

2009/2010/2011/2012 AKC GA. State Leader and Supreme Grand Nite Champion Yadkin River Addkis

2010 ACHA Georgia State Champion Grand Nite Champion Yadkin River Addkis

PKC Champion Yadkin River Addkis

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Treeing Walkers

912-663-5287 cell (perfered)

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Eric usually that guy behind the desk is the guy with the best and most hunting spots he needs to be able to put out cast if the numbers pick up. Or I guess clubs could start advertising we only have hunting enough for 6 hunters first come first serve.


Tar

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Pr Broken Oaks Wild Blue Gypsy

Mr Depue, are you saying that it is the guide's fault if a dog goes .75 to a mile to tree a coon? If a dog goes .75 at my house, it is out of hearing. Is it the guide's fault if the dogs get struck on every drop but they have a dead cast? Does every guide have to have a woods where dogs can tree 4 coons now? Most of my woods only have 1 coon. And I am the best guide at my club.