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Posted by George pouliott on 03-27-2018 11:43 AM:

Mr. Sharpe if it would be several month's before I could get that way the bridge has me slammed with work . But I appreciate the offer and will definitely take you up on it soon as I can .

Mr. Richard you are right I do need to get out of Florida .

I haven't and won't quit with the redbone breed . I am extremely determined to stick it out . I bought a pup from Wade Kuhns that had it all and she got run over at a year old when she was putting it all together major loss for me .

Mr Kasey I have been following Danno for some time now and been wondering about most his pups how they're doing . My biggest issue though is I am so far away it's not just pup prices it's transportation fees too . It'll be next year before I do any dog buying again .

Now I have a better idea of some more places to look when I'm ready to buy . Thanks yall

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Posted by BLAKE WHEELER on 03-27-2018 05:28 PM:

I will say my pup off G-man has all the go and drive I could ask for night after night. When you get on to him he doesn't sull up or quit. I got on him a couple months ago haaard for treeing a possum, he left me on a dead run and had a coon treed about 300yds down the creek in just a couple minutes. When you cut him by his self he leaves on a run and is looking to get treed whether it be 50yds or a mile. I had a pup off Danno also and she had the get gone also, she never stood around your feet she was always busy. The Danno pups I have been to the woods with were all the same, they stayed gone and were always busy. That's the reason I bred my female to Danno is because it seems most of his pups have the drive and heart Danno has.

Posted by jkhutch on 03-27-2018 06:08 PM:

I’ve been reading this and thought I would reply, cause I don’t believe a lot of people don’t know what real drive that I speak about really is

IMO and no offense to anyone on here and I’m not trying to make any one upset. I think there is are alot of people that need to enter some of these bigger $KC hunts to know what “drive” really means to a lot of us. I have hunted with a lot of the “big winning” $KC dogs over the years including Shot, Bella, Jeb, Express, Money, and many more. The drive I talk about is not how far a dogs gets or how fast it gets there. I’ve said it before but the drive I want is the drive to get treed with a coon and fast. First cut, recut, with or without other dogs, no matter the conditions, territory, Coon population and so on. IMO there is not a redbone alive with the speed, determination, and ability to do it night in and night out of some of these dogs I have mentioned above. Do I have dogs that go as deep as it takes to tree Coons, well yes or I wouldnt own them. Do I have dogs that can do it night in and night like the some of the others above without no bull crap involved, Heck no and I don’t believe any of us do in this breed If you have one that I am speaking of prove me wrong and let me know and I will put in hunts for you and I know a lot of others that will to. So right here and right now I’m calling everyone out that has one. I have money in my pocket and the time to go to the big hunts and will push it for you if I think it can and will win.
Before you call I want you to ask yourself a few questions.
1. When you cut your dog can it be treed with any company or alone within the first few minutes of cutting him loose?
2. When you recut will it tree with a coon again within 10 minutes or so no matter how far it takes or conditions.
3. Cut the third time and tree a coon again within 10 minutes again no matter how far it takes or conditions and so on...?
4. Can they stayed treed barking for over an hour then recut and find another coon in 10 to 15 Mins.
5. Can they be heard for a mile or so
6. Can they keep doing this almost every night or for 3 to 4 nights in a row for 2 hrs at a time. Then go back out an hr later and do it again for another 2 hrs?
7. Can they stayed treed no matter what’s with them on the tree.
So here is my offer I will be waiting on your message, txt, or phone call.

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Redbones:
GRNTCH PKC Ch PR Hutch's Big Walnut Boone HTX DNA-V(Haze X Reba)-
2 Time UKC World Top 100
UKC World Top 20 (13th)
UKC Purina Redbone of the year
PKC Redbone CH
UKC Top Producers List
UKC Winter Classic High Scoring Redbone
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2018 Autumn Oaks Grand 16
2018 Grand National Redbone
2018 Redbones Days RQE 1st Place

Walkers-
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Posted by ahallada on 03-27-2018 07:35 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by jkhutch
I’ve been reading this and thought I would reply, cause I don’t believe a lot of people don’t know what real drive that I speak about really is

IMO and no offense to anyone on here and I’m not trying to make any one upset. I think there is are alot of people that need to enter some of these bigger $KC hunts to know what “drive” really means to a lot of us. I have hunted with a lot of the “big winning” $KC dogs over the years including Shot, Bella, Jeb, Express, Money, and many more. The drive I talk about is not how far a dogs gets or how fast it gets there. I’ve said it before but the drive I want is the drive to get treed with a coon and fast. First cut, recut, with or without other dogs, no matter the conditions, territory, Coon population and so on. IMO there is not a redbone alive with the speed, determination, and ability to do it night in and night out of some of these dogs I have mentioned above. Do I have dogs that go deep and tree Coons, well yes or I wouldnt own them. Do I have dogs that can do it night in and night like the some of the others above without no bull crap involved. Heck no and I don’t believe any of us do. If you have one that I am speaking of let me know and I will put in hunts for you and I know a lot of others that will to. So right here and right now I’m calling everyone out that has one. I have money in my pocket and will push it for you if I think it can and will win.
Before you call I want you to ask yourself a few questions.
1. When you cut your dog can it be treed with any company or alone within the first few minutes of cutting him loose?
2. When you recut will it tree with a coon again within 10 minutes or so no matter how far it takes or conditions.
3. Cut the third time and tree a coon again within 10 minutes again no matter how far it takes or conditions and so on...?
4. Can they stayed treed barking for over an hour then recut and find another coon in 10 to 15 Mins.
5. Can they be heard for a mile or so
6. Can they keep keep doing this almost every night or for 3 to 4 nights in a row for 2 hrs at a time. Then go back out an hr later and do it again for another 2 hrs?
7. Can they stayed treed no matter what’s with them on the tree.
So here is my offer I will be waiting on your message, txt, or phone call.

That's a good list there bud. #7 is always a tough one. I could care less if they will tree with another dog as long as they get their own. If another dog comes in and backs my dog I sure hope it will stay hooked or it's going bye bye.

I think there are a couple of red dogs that can do that today. Lets face it, we are out numbered in these hunts, sometimes 63 Holsteins to 1 Redbone or more. Our odds are slim from the beginning. I think Danno, GMan , Shine, Freak, have definitely proved they can compete at that level against the odds. Woody did good in the PKC World Hunt and made some fans along the way. We just don't have the numbers yet. Cali kicked some butt in PKC Pro hunts in 2016 and led the Pro Race most of the way with 1 win in Bama and another finals appearance in Michigan. She made semi finals a few times the next year and won another Pro Hunt in MS in Dustin Weed and Downs back yard. She had to beat a lot of big timers to win what she did. She also won Reserve at the All Breed Challenge against the best dogs in the country. She had to beat a National Champion in a 1 on 1 match to make it to the finals. Then that final cast had 3 Holsteins with combined lifetime winnings over $300k. So I don't want to hear that we don't have the dog power to compete at that level. They are out there.

I think this year is going to be another really good year for us. I believe I have two dogs right now that can win anything we put them in when they are tuned. Time will tell.

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Current:

PKC Ch. Gr.Nt.Ch. Cat Scratch Fever
(Gr.Nt.Ch. PKC Ch. Moonlight Aftershock x Gr.Nt.Ch. PKC Ch. Moonlight Outlaw Breanna)
2016 Finished to PKC Ch. in one week!

Dual Grand Champion CHKC Ch., PKC Gold Ch. All Grand Outlaw G-Man
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4 Generations of All Grand Nite Champions!
Timber Jack 3X and Timber Chopper over 30X
2019 Southern National Redbone Days Champion
2016 National Grand Nite Champion Redbone
2016 CHKC Redbone Days Champion
2016 PKC Super Stakes Reserve Champion
2016 CHKC Elite Shootout Winner - Texas
CHKC All Time Money Winning Redbone

Bodacious
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Past:
Gr.Nt.Ch.Ch. Dawns Timber Jack
1988 American Redbone Days All Red Hunt Winner
1989 UKC World Champion Redbone
1989 Purina Outstanding Redbone Coonhound
#2 Historic Redbone Sire/ Top 20 All Breeds
American Redbone Coonhound Assoc. Hall of Fame

Gr.Nt.Ch. Bussrow Bottom Brandy II
1991 American Redbone Days Champion
1992 AKC World Champion Redbone
1992 ACHA World Champion Redbone
1992 Wisconsin State Champion
1994 US Redbone Days Opposite Sex
Produced 2 Nt. Ch. , 1 Gr.Nt.Ch. out of 2 litters and two Redbone Days Winners

Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch. PKC Gold Ch. Layton's Classy Cali
2012 UKC World Champion Redbone and 7th Place Overall
2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 UKC World Champion Redbone Female
2015 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Hunt Winner - Goodsprings, AL
2015 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Series Race - 3rd Place Overall
2016 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Hunt Winner - New Albany, MS
2016 PKC Texas State Race Winner
2016 PKC Redbone Breed Race Winner
PKC All Time Money Winning Redbone

PKC Ch. Gr.Nt.Ch. Coffman's Smokin Red Buck
2016 UKC World Hunt 5th Place and World Champion Redbone
2016 National Redbone Days Overall Winner

Gr.Nt.Ch. Reinhart's Central Page
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Brandy II)

Gr.Nt.Ch. Too the Maxx
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Jenkins Crying Katie)
1992 National Redbone Days Champion

Gr.Ch.Nt.Ch. Ambraw River Rock
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Ch.Nt.Ch. Hersh's Huntin Red Kate)
1992 US Redbone Days Opposite Sex

Nt.Ch. Tree Bustin Annabelle
1986 American Redbone Days All Red Hunt Winner

Nt.Ch. Timber Mace
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack X Nt.Ch. Tree Bustin Annabelle)
Mother of Gr.Nt.Ch. Babb's Hazel

Nt. Ch. Timber Shock
(Gr.Nt.Ch.Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Outlaw Jessie)

Gr. Ch. Nt. Ch. Squaw Mountain Goldie
(Direct Daughter of Gr.Nt.Ch.Smokey Mountain Brandy)
1990 Autumn Oaks Best of Show Winner
1988 Indiana State Champion

Posted by Adam Wingler on 03-27-2018 08:01 PM:

Jared, I bet your phone is blowing up.

Your list went way beyond drive under any definition and slimmed it right down to about 2% of all living hounds. Some of those 7 traits are rarely natural as well. Drive, as I know it, is most often natural. It can be tweaked sometimes and enhanced sometimes, but just flat out adding it in is nearly impossible.

And I don’t have to empty my bank account or borrow a dog to hunt some pro hunts to figure that out, I have the perfect testing grounds out the back door. 😆 But a pro hunt would be way more fun, I’ll give ya that.

Posted by jkhutch on 03-27-2018 08:18 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ahallada

I think there are a couple of red dogs that can do that today. Lets face it, we are out numbered in these hunts, sometimes 63 Holsteins to 1 Redbone or more. Our odds are slim from the beginning.

I believe I have two dogs right now that can win anything we put them in when they are tuned. Time will tell.

Two things Doc:

For one I’m tired of hearing about numbers. First off if there was that many redbones today that had the things I’m talking about don’t you think we would see them being handled in the big hunts and winning more often reguarless of numbers. Ya I’m sure if 63 Redbones entered and 1 Walker the odds would be pretty good. The the dogs I talked about above have there hand in the money at a lot of major hunts and there odds are even less. They are competing against all Breeds, but yet they are still in the semi-finals, finals, championships and so on and have been for a few years. Alot of these dogs are not one hit wonders they competed and win big on a regular basis. These dogs don’t win $100,000 in one KC by not having what it takes night in and night out. These type dogs are far and in between even in there own breed. That’s the so called “drive” it takes to compete and keep competing and winning. Hey Doc have you ever been to woods with these dogs to know what I’m talking about? Yes I agree Cali did win her fare share, but again she was an xbred before they ended single registration. There wins are based off being quick fast coondogs and that’s it’s. No BS, no messing around coondogs.

Posted by jkhutch on 03-27-2018 08:28 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Adam Wingler
Jared, I bet your phone is blowing up.

Your list went way beyond drive under any definition and slimmed it right down to about 2% of all living hounds. Some of those 7 traits are rarely natural as well. Drive, as I know it, is most often natural. It can be tweaked sometimes and enhanced sometimes, but just flat out adding it in is nearly impossible.

And I don’t have to empty my bank account or borrow a dog to hunt some pro hunts to figure that out, I have the perfect testing grounds out the back door. 😆 But a pro hunt would be way more fun, I’ll give ya that.

I guess I misunderstood the “Drive” post then. I guess we are just talking about “Redbone Drive” not “ Winning Drive” I guess we should just sit back and talk about that and still be behind in the hunts.

Yes I agree that some of that style of drive can be enhanced but they must have the “want to” to enhance it. If it’s not natural for them you may find them under your pickup or laying in a feild hiding from you.

Posted by Tony Dominguez on 03-27-2018 09:05 PM:

I’ve been fortunate enough to travel the major circuit the last few years & hunt with some of the best that’s ever been put in a competition hunt. I can honestly say from $30 hunts to world, nationals, & others I haven’t seen the super dog night in night out Jared is talking about & I’ve drew all those dogs except Shot, have pleasure hunted with Meltdown the all time $ winner in PKC that’s best just about every big winning dog a time or 2 in the country probably as much as anyone besides Dustin Weed. I can tell you he’s pretty consistent but he still can’t do what Jared listed & he’s won over 220,000 total. Lol

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PKC PLATINUM CH (all time $ leader)
2016 RESERVE FALL SUPER STAKE CH (only redbone to ever make the final 4)

Grnitech PKC CH Night Stalkin roxie
2018 top 16 PKC redbone breed
2018 Top 16 PA state race
2019 National Redbone days Champion

Walker:
UKC Dual Grand, PKC Silver Ch, CHKC Champion
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UKC Dual Grand, PKC Silver Ch, CHKC Champion
Dirty Little Tramp
Russ Myer hunt winner $20,000
Final 4 PKC super stakes

Past:
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GRCH GRNITECH 'PR' Outlaw Jack
CH GRNITECH 'PR' Apache Man
CH GRNITECH 'PR' Famous Outlaw Ann
CH GRNITECH 'PR' Tree Burning Moses

Posted by Richard Lambert on 03-27-2018 10:05 PM:

Oh my goodness Tony, How in the world did he win all of that money?

Posted by jkhutch on 03-27-2018 10:15 PM:

So Tony he doesn’t the drive I talked about. You don’t think he could tree a coon every 15 Mins in Indiana. I seen Money do it on more than one occasion, now you may only get to walk to only three trees during a hunt, cause your walking different ways all the time during the hunt. I guess I’ve only been with these dogs on good nights.

Posted by Tony Dominguez on 03-27-2018 10:58 PM:

HEART!!! He’s got the drive your talkin about so does the others you’ve mentioned for sure & can do it in Indiana... They can also loaf around when they want to because I’ve seen them do it... it’s easy to get around fields fast & in a hurry... bring em down here & send them through swamps & cut overs. I bet anyone that’s like to take my bet that’ll meet me in Vardaman, Miss can hunt from dark to daylight & we’ll ride on side by sides to every tree then can’t tree 10 singles before 7AM... anytime someone wants to take that chance on making some good $ you’ll have a place to stay & a good meal provided 😉

Posted by Richard Lambert on 03-27-2018 11:22 PM:

I bet that they can't tree 10 singles in a week at my house.

Posted by jkhutch on 03-27-2018 11:39 PM:

Now that sounds more positive Tony!! That sounds like a winner!!

Posted by Sawblade on 03-28-2018 01:21 AM:

drive

High Drive in hounds, a few thoughts and a few lessons learned.
1.True drive is one trait that the top 1% coonhounds have regardless of breed. I'm talking the best of the best all have it..
2.You can spend a lifetime trying to breed it in and you can loose it in one cross.
3.once it's watered down to the point that less than 50% of the pups from a cross shows true drive you have lost it. There is no sense in continuing with a pedigree if more than half the pups from a cross should be culled for not hunting hard enough.
4.The worst thing a breeder can do is not recognize the faults that show up after each cross is made or to give blame to the stud when a cross shows no go.
5.dogs with drive when bred to dogs with drive should produce dogs with drive at an early age. If they don't then you need to start over with different hounds both stud and dam.

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GrNiteCh Sawblade Fiddle "no.5 historical female
QuadGrCh Yellow River Red Blaze
GrNiteCh Copeland's Red Hot Clyde
GrNiteCh Stone's Midnight Red Jake
NiteCh Brights Choctaw Night Time Sissy
NiteCh Sawblade Red Reckon
NiteCh Brasee Red Penny
NiteCh Nacalus Mandolin
Yellow River Fiddle II " good reproducer"
NiteCh Krasa Sawblade Quikstuf Bone
GrNiteCh Krasa Hair Trigger Hope
GrNiteCH Locked and Loaded Jake
GrNiteCh Moonlight Woody
NiteCh Sawblade Mac Truck " Jake and Hopes' brother"
NiteCh After Dark Spark " brother to Fiddle"
NiteCh Morgan's Boone " sister to Fiddle"
NiteCh High Water June " out of Reckon"
NiteCh Sawblade Timberline Rusty
Sawblade Ribbon,

They are bred with heart and drive included.

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Posted by jkhutch on 03-28-2018 02:52 AM:

Re: drive

quote:
Originally posted by Sawblade
High Drive in hounds, a few thoughts and a few lessons learned.
1.True drive is one trait that the top 1% coonhounds have regardless of breed. I'm talking the best of the best all have it..
2.You can spend a lifetime trying to breed it in and you can loose it in one cross.
3.once it's watered down to the point that less than 50% of the pups from a cross shows true drive you have lost it. There is no sense in continuing with a pedigree if more than half the pups from a cross should be culled for not hunting hard enough.
4.The worst thing a breeder can do is not recognize the faults that show up after each cross is made or to give blame to the stud when a cross shows no go.
5.dogs with drive when bred to dogs with drive should produce dogs with drive at an early age. If they don't then you need to start over with different hounds both stud and dam.

Thank you Kelly for these thoughts. This is really great knowledge to live by as we breed our hounds!!

Posted by oklared on 03-28-2018 05:58 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Tony Dominguez
HEART!!! He’s got the drive your talkin about so does the others you’ve mentioned for sure & can do it in Indiana... They can also loaf around when they want to because I’ve seen them do it... it’s easy to get around fields fast & in a hurry... bring em down here & send them through swamps & cut overs. I bet anyone that’s like to take my bet that’ll meet me in Vardaman, Miss can hunt from dark to daylight & we’ll ride on side by sides to every tree then can’t tree 10 singles before 7AM... anytime someone wants to take that chance on making some good $ you’ll have a place to stay & a good meal provided 😉

I THINK YOU SHOULD MOVE TONY

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 03-28-2018 06:07 PM:

As much as Tony gets around, he must have "High Drive".

Posted by George pouliott on 04-01-2018 03:59 PM:

Re: drive

quote:
Originally posted by Sawblade
High Drive in hounds, a few thoughts and a few lessons learned.
1.True drive is one trait that the top 1% coonhounds have regardless of breed. I'm talking the best of the best all have it..
2.You can spend a lifetime trying to breed it in and you can loose it in one cross.
3.once it's watered down to the point that less than 50% of the pups from a cross shows true drive you have lost it. There is no sense in continuing with a pedigree if more than half the pups from a cross should be culled for not hunting hard enough.
4.The worst thing a breeder can do is not recognize the faults that show up after each cross is made or to give blame to the stud when a cross shows no go.
5.dogs with drive when bred to dogs with drive should produce dogs with drive at an early age. If they don't then you need to start over with different hounds both stud and dam.

Good info and definitely a way to breed properly . Now once I get my hands on them kind of dog's that's the way I'll breed them .

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 04-01-2018 06:07 PM:

Mr George, that is the problem...where to start?

Posted by George pouliott on 04-01-2018 08:24 PM:

Mr. Richard that is the question ! Where can I find a nice young female bred to do it all that hasn't been started or finished that doesn't cost more then my truck .

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 04-01-2018 09:24 PM:

#1. How do you know if they are nice if they haven't been started? And you will probably go through 3 or 4 of them and a couple of years trying to find "that one". Then how much will you have in her?
#2. It is just as hard to find someone that has done #1 and is then willing to sell "that one".
#3. How much did your truck cost?

It only took me 25 years and about $250,000 and I am still not satisfied. But I have sure had fun trying so don't give up. As they say, it is not the destination but the journey that counts. I saw a sign on the back of a jeep once on the way to try a dog that read, "all who wander are not lost".

Posted by George pouliott on 04-01-2018 10:10 PM:

Good info Mr. Richard .

I don't or won't know how they'll turn out just give them all the opportunity I can . My old truck ain't worth much 5 6 thousand . But I've spent more then that already the last 5 year's . I am in no way giving up . Really I guess I just look at it like fishing since that's what I was always best at . Bubba said pay your dues to mother nature and give back to her . I did and I become an outstanding fisherman through many empty coolers and expensive trips . I'll pursue this breed the same way . I'm not anywhere near rich . But with consistency hard work and proper culling I'll pay my dues again .

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 04-11-2018 05:56 PM:

Oh my goodness, I wonder why there are only 2 Redbones hunting in the Super Stakes in Salem this week? Almost 300 young dogs each night and only 2 Redbones????

Posted by Adam Wingler on 04-11-2018 06:54 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Oh my goodness, I wonder why there are only 2 Redbones hunting in the Super Stakes in Salem this week? Almost 300 young dogs each night and only 2 Redbones????

You ask that question as if one is yours. Which one?

Posted by Richard Lambert on 04-11-2018 07:47 PM:

Where in the world did you get the impression that one was mine?

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