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Posted by Sawblade on 03-11-2016 12:00 PM:

Allen

Great response on this posts , young guys should read this over and over until it sinks in. I believe there have been and will be many dogs in our breed that have these natural ability's . We can breed for this and by just letting these traits show themselves and giving the dogs a chance to develop them at their own pace the dog will turn the crank themselves. I'm not saying there won't be times the dog will need corrected and there will be some nights they look stupid but natural ability is the key and timing is not all that important. I believe most all naturals do start early so why fight it, instead let them develop at whatever pace they choose . If it's fast and they want to let them hunt. Train with whatever method works for you but keep an eye out for natural ability and give time to see if a pup can improve on their own also.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 03-11-2016 02:10 PM:

Oh my goodness, that Sawblade guy sure does know what he is doing. Either that or he just knows how to "turn a phrase". The best way to get ability out of a pup is to start with a pup that has ability in him. In order to get that pup that has the ability in him, you have to breed two dogs that have ability in them. In order to get those two dogs, you have to breed four dogs with the ability in them. If you want a pup with natural ability, then you had better start by looking at his/her grandparents and great grandparents.
I think that is sometimes what young guys don't realize. They think that they can just "jump right in" and start breeding.

Posted by ahallada on 03-11-2016 04:18 PM:

Re: Allen

quote:
Originally posted by Sawblade
Great response on this posts , young guys should read this over and over until it sinks in. I believe there have been and will be many dogs in our breed that have these natural ability's . We can breed for this and by just letting these traits show themselves and giving the dogs a chance to develop them at their own pace the dog will turn the crank themselves. I'm not saying there won't be times the dog will need corrected and there will be some nights they look stupid but natural ability is the key and timing is not all that important. I believe most all naturals do start early so why fight it, instead let them develop at whatever pace they choose . If it's fast and they want to let them hunt. Train with whatever method works for you but keep an eye out for natural ability and give time to see if a pup can improve on their own also.

Ya there's more to it than just picking the right pup and taking it to the woods. You have to do your time too. Even if that means hunting a Bluetick. lol

Maybe Naturals are like God. They are something you get when you put in your time. Success is when opportunity meets preparation. But good fortune will be your best friend along the way.

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1991 American Redbone Days Champion
1992 AKC World Champion Redbone
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2015 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Series Race - 3rd Place Overall
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PKC Ch. Gr.Nt.Ch. Coffman's Smokin Red Buck
2016 UKC World Hunt 5th Place and World Champion Redbone
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Gr.Nt.Ch. Reinhart's Central Page
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Gr.Nt.Ch. Too the Maxx
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1992 National Redbone Days Champion

Gr.Ch.Nt.Ch. Ambraw River Rock
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Ch.Nt.Ch. Hersh's Huntin Red Kate)
1992 US Redbone Days Opposite Sex

Nt.Ch. Tree Bustin Annabelle
1986 American Redbone Days All Red Hunt Winner

Nt.Ch. Timber Mace
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack X Nt.Ch. Tree Bustin Annabelle)
Mother of Gr.Nt.Ch. Babb's Hazel

Nt. Ch. Timber Shock
(Gr.Nt.Ch.Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Outlaw Jessie)

Gr. Ch. Nt. Ch. Squaw Mountain Goldie
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1990 Autumn Oaks Best of Show Winner
1988 Indiana State Champion

Posted by Richard Lambert on 03-11-2016 05:04 PM:

.......Oh my goodness..... Even I would not have the nerve to post that on here. I can hear the new song now, "On the cover of the Bloodlines Magazine". Get your pen and paper out, Kelly.

Posted by Hoosier Outlaw on 03-11-2016 05:22 PM:

Im done with naturals....I'm taking the next step.... ((( supernaturals )))

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 03-11-2016 06:26 PM:

Shane, I think that you have already done that.....ghosts or phantom pups.

Posted by ahallada on 03-11-2016 07:08 PM:

SuperNaturals! I like it! Where do I sign up for that? Do I need a spokesperson? Can I nominate Tinker Belle? AKA The Tink!

To be fair I just used the Blueticks as a launching pad for my Redbone career. I was actually training my secret weapon (Annabelle along side these Blue dogs. It's a hard way to earn respect, but I got less crap from them than I did Redbone breeders.

Posted by Hoosier Outlaw on 03-11-2016 07:15 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Shane, I think that you have already done that.....ghosts or phantom pups.

I think you mean popsicle pups

Posted by Richard Lambert on 03-12-2016 12:06 AM:

What is "supernatural" about a popsicle?

Posted by fdcooner on 03-12-2016 05:01 AM:

level of my dogs natural ability

This is a great thread and I have read through it a few times over. I have a question and wondering if some of you guys with more experience than me might be able to help me judge my dogs natural ability. I have a male that turns 2 in August, he's from a cross that has littermates mates doing fantastic right now. I got my dog in June and he had been penned up mostly due to previous owner having too many young dogs. He had taken him out a handful of times and his first time out at 7 months old he worked a short track and fell treed and the other dogs came in and backed him. He had the coon. He didn't do that again the next few times out. After that he sat, then I got him. I let him get used to me and the new place before I tried to do anything with him. In September i tried to work him on a caged coon and he showed zero interest in it. So I figured he wasn't ready yet and let him set some more, I didn't want to rush him and figured he'd be ready when he's ready, all dogs are different. 2 weeks ago I showed him another caged coon and he went ballistic on it after a little encouragement. Released the coon, coon ran up first tree which the dog watched. He ran to the tree but didn't tree. Then last week I decided to take him out in the woods behind my house one night. I released him and be hung out for a few minutes then he took off and about 10 min later he stuck, every few minutes he would open and it sounded like he was working a track, after about 15 minutes he fell treed and barked about 5 times every minute. I got in there and searched the tree while encouraging him and realized it was a den tree. Let him back on the tree and really pet him up and he got hammering pretty good. Had a hard time pulling him off the tree. Then I took him out 2 nights ago, walk in 300 yards, whole time in he was using his nose on the ground. I cut him and he took right off and he had his nose to the ground. I was watching the Garmin and he went out about 100 yards, made a big loop back towards me and then went 300 yards behind me and stopped. So I went to see what was up. He went back to my truck and was sitting there. Hooked up the lead to go back and he didn't want to go back in the wood so we came home.
Sorry this is so long but figured you would need some info if I wanted you to be able to make a informed opinion on him. I am by no means discouraged by the other night, but I am a little confused. Thanks.

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Posted by fdcooner on 03-12-2016 05:01 AM:

level of my dogs natural ability

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Posted by jerhovt on 03-12-2016 06:00 AM:

Re: level of my dogs natural ability

quote:
Originally posted by fdcooner
. Then I took him out 2 nights ago, walk in 300 yards, whole time in he was using his nose on the ground. I cut him and he took right off and he had his nose to the ground. I was watching the Garmin and he went out about 100 yards, made a big loop back towards me and then went 300 yards behind me and stopped. So I went to see what was up. He went back to my truck and was sitting there. Hooked up the lead to go back and he didn't want to go back in the wood so we came home.
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I have one that does that when coyotes move in on him

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Posted by fdcooner on 03-12-2016 07:42 AM:

Re: Re: level of my dogs natural ability

quote:
Originally posted by jerhovt
I have one that does that when coyotes move in on him

That's one idea I had come up with. I know there's a decent Coyote population where we were.

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Posted by mmarshall on 03-14-2016 09:36 PM:

Re: Re: naturals

quote:
Originally posted by ahallada
Great story Kelly and so true. Unless you've actually had a natural, none of this makes much sense. When I first started in coonhunting it was a common training method to stick a pup in a barrel with a coon and roll the barrel down the hill. If the pup had what it took, it would go on to hate coon and be a coon dog. There was no way I was going to subject my first female pup to that barbaric method of training. I kept searching for different methods and read Millers Training Manuals 1 & 2 and tried a few of those. They actually worked and got me a good start. Not long after that I met a couple of the smartest houndsmen I've ever known, John Adametz and his dad Jim Adametz.

These guys had years of knowledge and Jim was one of the pioneers of the Bluetick breed. Nothing gets you to where you want to go faster than having good mentors. They hunted every breed of hound on about every species of animal so they understood the differences between a good bear dog vs a good coon dog and a cold nose tracker vs a medium nose or hot nose dog. When a dog opened they knew what the dog was doing, what it was running, and what kind of track it was. It was like a young stock investor hanging out with Warren Buffet. I wasn't the only student of theirs, and a few of my friends went on to win some of the biggest hunts in the country with their Blueticks.

I got to see a bunch of pups started and trained and helped train a few pups that went on to make a good name when I was 14-20 years of age. These guys never messed with cage coon at all and laughed at the method. In fact the only coon these pups ever saw were the ones that were treed naturally and hit the ground. They believed that a natural coondog shouldn't need unnatural training methods to develop. If they didn't tree coon by the time they were a year old they were either culled or used on pigs or bear. They had a dog by the name of Dual Gr.Ch. Adametz Little Bruiser that became my yardstick for coondogs and of over 50 years of breeding dogs he was their absolute best. He was a double Hammer 2 bred dog and is still one of the best I've ever walked behind.

Through them I became friends with Dave Dean and learned another level of techniques on breeding and training of coondogs. Interesting that Jim Adametz and Dave Dean both started with Blaksley bred Redbones. Dave later named his kennel after Blaksley's Northern Red Kennel, Northern Blue Kennels. He said Roy's breeding programs were a major influence on his future breeding program and he thought that Roy was years ahead of most in breeding techniques. In the 1970s and 1980s the hunts in the Midwest were dominated by Dave's Hammer bred dogs from Hammer 2-6., including Northern Blue Jet, Northern Blue Rebel, and Northern Blue Trapper lines. Some of the most natural pups I ever saw were from this breeding program. It wasn't uncommon to hear of a 3 month old pup treeing coon with other dogs from this line of dogs.

By the time I was 21 , I knew what I wanted in a Redbone after hunting with some of the best blue dogs of that era. They were smart, fast, independent, big mouthed , pressure tree dogs. I wanted all of that along with accuracy. The first Redbone I hunted with that had those traits was Gr.Nt.Ch. Smokey Mountain Brandy.

I was hunting a Gr.Nt.Ch. blue dog named Jessie at Autumn Oaks for a buddy of mine. She was a daughter of the Bruiser dog above and she was a decent enough dog to win it that year. We drew Alger and Brandy and we were in for a battle. We were leading the cast with a good score with 20 minutes left in the hunt. Jessie hit a track and drove it into a bean field and couldn't get her head off the ground. No other dog was open and with 10 minutes left I thought the hunt was mine, when Brandy opens up behind us about 200 yards on the edge of the woods and trees. Yep he had the meat and won National Gr.Nt.Ch.Redbone that year.

That was one smart dog and the closest thing I'd seen to the Bruiser dog. I didn't think he was super fast, but he had the big mouth and was a smart pressure tree dog. I'd say his daddy Gr.Nt.Ch. Smokey Mountain Dooley was the most underutilized stud dog of that era and a huge loss to this breed. Bill Wallock came real close to breeding TJ's mom Nt.Ch. Cane Spring Dawn to Dooley but decided to make an outcross on Lookout Luke instead. I can only think about what that would have done for our breeding program.

Bill was making his big move in the Redbone breed in about 1980 when he purchased Dawn from Max Hunter. She was heavily line bred Timber Chopper 3x and won US Redbone Days at 2 years of age. She had an unbelievable cold nose and one of the best strike dogs of that era, and was a good solid hard tree dog. After breeding her to Luke, he went back for a recommendation from Max Hunter. With the recommendation of Max, he bred her to a son of Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Chopper Jr. named Gr.Nt.Ch. Toussaint Red Talker and that is what created Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack.

Timber Jack was a natural early starter and placed at National Redbone Days at 9 months old. By the time he was 1 1/2 years old he had won 13 straight hunts. He was a really good dog at 2 and 3 but I wouldn't say he was a world beater. He actually never peaked until he was 5-6 years old when he was dominant on the big stage. That seemed to be a common peak age for the Timber Chopper bred dogs including Smokey Mountain Brandy, Toussaint Red Talker, Famous Amos, Burning Ben, and others. So I don't think it's true that dogs that start early peak early, or that dogs that start later peak later. These dogs were all early natural starters.

Now the Little Man dog was an early starter and peaked early and that is the way my Too the Max dog was too. He was as good as he was going to get at 2-3 years of age. Bill Wallock said he did become a better track dog later on however. So maybe for some of these dogs the dominant tracking abilities come out later in life. I know that TJ was a decent track dog at 2-3, and a great track dog at 5-6. At 7-8 years he drove tracks that most of my dogs and others couldn't smell. He also became rangier as he got older and it was not uncommon for him to go 2 miles when he was 9-10 years old. I've never hunted a dog with so much drive and heart right up until he died at 12 years old.

Contrary to what I heard by a prominent but misinformed Redbone Breeder at Autumn Oaks, TJ threw pups that were generally early starters, depending on the female he was bred to. Every big name dog he produced started early between 3 and 6 months of age including Max, Moon, Girl, Jack, Page, Rock, and Shock. These dogs were in competition hunts by the time they were 15 months old and they dominated at 2 years of age winning every major Redbone Hunt in 1992, including Opposite Sex and Overall Show Winners. No other stud has ever done that that I know of.

Great post doc

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Posted by jdgher on 03-15-2016 07:03 AM:

Re: naturals

quote:
Originally posted by Sawblade
A long time ago I had a young dog that seemed to be a natural. One of the very first coon that dog treed we decided we should shake out and let that pup get it. That's the way we did it back then. My buddy climbed up and I waited with a club and the young dog. When the coon hit the ground it was bigger than we expected and more than the young dog could handle. The pup was giving it all it had but needed some help. I got ready with the club and when the pup backed up I swung as hard as I could. At the same time the pup lunged back in and I hit her square across the skull, she hit the ground screaming and ran off. I figured she was about to die and started looking for her. It took about 20 seconds and the coon figured it was time to run and next thing I knew the pup was on it again ,treeing on a small sapling that the coon had climbed. I wouldn't recommend this training method but that pup made GrNiteCh. I couldn't beat the natural ability out of her with a club. Just something to think on. By the way it's a true story and I got witnesses to the entire ordeal. Sawblade dogs got hard heads !!

That's odd. Some people use the same method to break dogs off opossum. This tells me not all dogs are the same.

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Posted by jdgher on 03-15-2016 07:36 AM:

Naturals

I tried the "let them be what they are" training method once. Hunted the dog 2 years. All he did was run junk. My wife said that dog is not going anywhere, so you might as well show him a cage coon and stuff. So I live trapped a coon>showed it to him>he went nuts>turned it loose>he treed it>shot it out.... = no more junk running, dog treed us hundreds of coons until he died at age 12. Sure had a lot of fun with him and trained several pups with him. (Never used him for breeding, not once).

I don't believe he was totally man made, I'm not that good of a trainer. He just needed a lesson. Once he tried it, he sure liked it and was real good at it..

I know there are naturals, I've seen them. If you take a 6 month old pup out the first time and it happens to hit a hot track, runs it and trees it, how is that different than you turning a cage coon loose and getting the same result?

If everyone did the all natural thing, and all we bred were the all naturals, we may end up with dogs that require nothing more than a few trips to the woods. But, what traits would we LOOSE? Is this the way to Win the World hunt or to have more Reds in the World Finals.
Sorry if I stepped on toes here. That wasn't my intention, just sharing my concern.

Posted by Sawblade on 03-15-2016 11:42 AM:

twisted

Darrin, After I read this entire post it can get confusing as to what natural instinct is. The dog you spoke about must have been loaded with natural instinct. He went nuts on the first coon he seen, he ran it he treed it. Sounds like what I look for all the time. He needed corrected on off game. Again, a dog with loads of natural instinct many times will run whatever they come across.
Some have got on this post and twisted the words of others . suggesting that what was said means something other than what was intended. I can only speak for my own comments and I do believe that natural ability trumps all traits. No, let me restate that ,it is the example of all good traits showing thru. I never said we should not expose a dog to coon. That is why we take them out where coon are and run them with other coon dogs. All pups need exposed to a coon to see if they have any of the traits we like.The difference will be some pups or young dogs will do like yours did and go nuts, run it, tree it. That is a natural. Others will take much more time and frustration to get them to progress. Each can make a fine coonhound. I would much rather have the first kind. I think just about everyone but maybe Richard would also want that kind. LOL.
Natural instinct shows it's self in many ways. It is drive to keep hunting and searching, we see this in young pups when they smell something they will not quit until they find whatever it is they smell. It's the "want to go hunting" in a young dog to go with the other dogs or head out and see what is going on out there. It's the easiness they show at treeing when they first smell a coon in a tree, they can't help but tree on it. These are the traits of a natural . Take a dog like this out and they will progress and all you have to do is be diligent and keep them out of trouble. Much like the dog you described Darrin. Naturals are way more fun to hunt and way, way easier to "train".

Posted by mmarshall on 03-15-2016 01:10 PM:

I agree with Kelly things do get twisted heck naturals in this breed went up 40-50% just since this thread was made lol
A natural does not need all the prep work it just needs taken hunting like Kelly said they can't help it they just do it
One coon and its on how they tree that first don't matter feeder release coon a hot one in a corn field find it track it tree it
I just like no guess work I like knowing if it was natural 100%
You can train a natural any way you want but there is only one way to prove there one jmo

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