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Posted by southernthunder on 09-20-2014 05:38 PM:

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Originally posted by coonbone
What dogs (living) are throwing the right kind of independence? From what i've read,Piazon probably is.Any others?

Our Crocket dog throws independence if interested you can call me at 918 448 7321 i can give you a list of his pup owners numbers you can call or go hunt with.

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Posted by Butler Creek on 10-01-2014 07:09 AM:

Well I don't hunt blue dogs always wanted a good one but hae not found one to suit me I would love to own one I know nothing about bluetick bloodlines could someone tell me what line is throwing independent bust a hole in the dark hard going dogs dont have to be blow down tree dogs but looking for a line that can flat drive a track.....thank you

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Posted by southernthunder on 10-01-2014 01:16 PM:

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Originally posted by Butler Creek
Well I don't hunt blue dogs always wanted a good one but hae not found one to suit me I would love to own one I know nothing about bluetick bloodlines could someone tell me what line is throwing independent bust a hole in the dark hard going dogs dont have to be blow down tree dogs but looking for a line that can flat drive a track.....thank you

Everyone on here will tell you they have just what your looking for lol. My suggestion to you is go hunt with different dogs and see first hand. I know its a long drive but any time you want to come hunt with our potlickers give me a call 918 448 7321 we can accommodate you and let you hunt with several different dogs.

Posted by max destruction on 10-01-2014 05:30 PM:

They sure will Eddie!

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Posted by byrd, lance on 10-01-2014 07:33 PM:

Independant

There are many that like this trait to different levels. Perry Ross certainly does and would be a good source. His Sally female has done some winning and he is top notch.

Piazon is also a name that comes to mind and he has spoken for himself in the woods and stud pen. Mike has done a excellent job promoting him.

Tom Jennings Image dog is one I hunted with that was as very independant. I think he passed but that blood is still available.

Paul Vaughn has Atta Girl that was very independent when I hunted with her. Ranger would fall in that group too. Tim can post who owns him now.

Cuda was independant and looked good when I hunted with him.

Looking for Timber Hannah would fit in that mold too.

Clyde's Blue Iron Brummy certainly did not pay attention to other dogs and is certainly my style of hound. I think we accidently cut 7 hounds loose that pleasure hunt. All that noise going on did not phase him. He got treed. It was not intended but worked out. Ha Ha

I believe all the ones I mentioned are Grandnites now. Those are the hounds that come to mind when I think breeding for independence. I know there are many and I hope people will keep sharing their experiences.

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Posted by Butler Creek on 10-05-2014 06:31 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by southernthunder
Everyone on here will tell you they have just what your looking for lol. My suggestion to you is go hunt with different dogs and see first hand. I know its a long drive but any time you want to come hunt with our potlickers give me a call 918 448 7321 we can accommodate you and let you hunt with several different dogs.

Thanks for the offer eddie my work slows down in the winter I may just take you up on it I know I will have to go away from here to find what I want everything around me is walkers including mine lol there are a couple blue dogs around me but they don't have what I'm looking for

Posted by everett on 10-05-2014 08:38 PM:

Labeld

Seems if a dog goes looking for a coon and does not go looking where the other dogs are going. He/she gets Labeled as a loner. In my option a hound should have one thing on there mind when cut loose, finding a coon, not going with the other dogs until they run across a track, there is a difference between one getting alone to be alone and one going to find a coon, but many carry the loner label unjustifiable.... Gerald

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Posted by southernthunder on 10-05-2014 10:17 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Butler Creek
Thanks for the offer eddie my work slows down in the winter I may just take you up on it I know I will have to go away from here to find what I want everything around me is walkers including mine lol there are a couple blue dogs around me but they don't have what I'm looking for

You bet Blake just let me know.

Posted by southernthunder on 10-05-2014 10:18 PM:

Re: Labeld

quote:
Originally posted by everett
Seems if a dog goes looking for a coon and does not go looking where the other dogs are going. He/she gets Labeled as a loner. In my option a hound should have one thing on there mind when cut loose, finding a coon, not going with the other dogs until they run across a track, there is a difference between one getting alone to be alone and one going to find a coon, but many carry the loner label unjustifiable.... Gerald

Good post Gerald

Posted by BIG$BLUES on 10-06-2014 03:50 PM:

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Posted by Ryan Vines on 10-06-2014 04:25 PM:

I've enjoyed reading this thread. While reading through these posts, I've noticed several times folks saying that and independent dog is not fun to hunt while pleasure hunting. This just doesn't make sense to me. In my opinion, while pleasure hunting with my friends I would much rather walk to split trees all night, whether it be my dog or theirs, than I would walking to trees with all the dogs treeing.

Again this is just my opinion

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Posted by hat creek mac on 10-06-2014 05:26 PM:

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Originally posted by Ryan Vines
I've enjoyed reading this thread. While reading through these posts, I've noticed several times folks saying that and independent dog is not fun to hunt while pleasure hunting. This just doesn't make sense to me. In my opinion, while pleasure hunting with my friends I would much rather walk to split trees all night, whether it be my dog or theirs, than I would walking to trees with all the dogs treeing.

Again this is just my opinion

you will find a lot of things that don't make sense to you if you hang out on this board for long LOL

Posted by prostockpat on 10-06-2014 05:31 PM:

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Originally posted by Ryan Vines
I've enjoyed reading this thread. While reading through these posts, I've noticed several times folks saying that and independent dog is not fun to hunt while pleasure hunting. This just doesn't make sense to me. In my opinion, while pleasure hunting with my friends I would much rather walk to split trees all night, whether it be my dog or theirs, than I would walking to trees with all the dogs treeing.

Again this is just my opinion

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Posted by Joe_Evert_Gray on 10-08-2014 07:05 PM:

Turn em lose in one direction I want mine the opposite. Pleasure or Competition. I can hear em better when they are alone, I can tune easier when they are alone, cant be blamed for mean when they are alone, score more points when they are alone, can feed them THEIR coon when they are alone.

To me if they are packed up they are relying on another dog to help find a lose, they also will break their neck to cover.

DEAD LONER IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by byrd, lance on 10-08-2014 07:31 PM:

Independant

It really depends on how each of us define it. I hear so many definitions of what it means. No matter how it's defined I don't personally like coon skippers or last coon up hounds. I do like independant hounds that do their on thing. To me there is a difference. JMHO

Posted by Joe_Evert_Gray on 10-08-2014 08:25 PM:

Re: Independant

quote:
Originally posted by byrd, lance
It really depends on how each of us define it. I hear so many definitions of what it means. No matter how it's defined I don't personally like coon skippers or last coon up hounds. I do like independant hounds that do their on thing. To me there is a difference. JMHO

Independent hound will start track and finish no matter the company. I personally want one that will blow in there half a mile then start hunting. I like walking other peoples dogs to mine.

Posted by byrd, lance on 10-08-2014 08:51 PM:

Many like that blowing in their before hunting style.

Speaking of a hound that blows in there 1/2 mile before hunting, what score would you expect to see out of that style hound in a 2 hr nite hunt in thick coon? I know some will get by trying not to run the clock while walking to the dog to gain more hunt time.

I've had several people ask me if I knew of a hound that would bump a deer and fall off on a coon. It's certainly a strategy many like these days.

Posted by Joe_Evert_Gray on 10-08-2014 08:57 PM:

Re: Many like that blowing in their before hunting style.

quote:
Originally posted by byrd, lance
Speaking of a hound that blows in there 1/2 mile before hunting, what score would you expect to see out of that style hound in a 2 hr nite hunt in thick coon? I know some will get by trying not to run the clock while walking to the dog to gain more hunt time.

I've had several people ask me if I knew of a hound that would bump a deer and fall off on a coon. It's certainly a strategy many like these days.

Idc what they do to get in there deep as long as when they put there head up I can tree em a pretty accurate. Im talking one bark locate tree dog. And as far as a score doesnt matter to me if its 900 or 225 as long as it says CW beside my name.

Posted by BIG$BLUES on 10-08-2014 09:24 PM:

Some people like the type they can tree when they hear another dog look up because they know what they are packing will break there neck covering them doesn't matter if it 50yds or 1/2mile

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Posted by Joe_Evert_Gray on 10-08-2014 09:29 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by BIG$BLUES
Some people like the type they can tree when they hear another dog look up because they know what they are packing will break there neck covering them doesn't matter if it 50yds or 1/2mile

those type need shot

Posted by byrd, lance on 10-08-2014 10:07 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by BIG$BLUES
Some people like the type they can tree when they hear another dog look up because they know what they are packing will break there neck covering them doesn't matter if it 50yds or 1/2mile

Hard to win a hunt treeing off other people's dogs. I think I would minus out quick personally. Ha Ha. I do get what your saying though. Many people like different styles.

Posted by BIG$BLUES on 10-08-2014 10:12 PM:

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Originally posted by byrd, lance
Hard to win a hunt treeing off other people's dogs. I think I would minus out quick personally. Ha Ha. I do get what your saying though. Many people like different styles.

oh I agree one must draw the right cast in order to win but it happens lol

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Posted by pamjohnson on 10-09-2014 03:01 AM:

different styles

yes its a good thing we all like different style dogs. the kind that you fellas are talking bout i dont care for. i like to win guess just not that bad. if i had one like that i would sell it to ya's. save me the trouble correcting all i dislike with him.

Posted by joeinmo on 10-09-2014 03:16 PM:

lazy

I guess im a lazy man I don't want my dog going past 5 coon to get deep and by himself. I want the closest coon in the woods and that's usaly the quickest. some of the best dogs I have ever followed are the one that just keep treeing coons behind of and beside of a blast through the woods till I find a hot coon dog. IT REALY GRIPES ME TO SEE COONS SITTING UP GOING TO MY DOG. if you get in thick coon the only hope a mile deep dog has in a hunt is wasting your dogs time going to him. this said I do want one to go a mile if he has to but he better be hunting on the way.

Posted by Vic Stoll on 10-09-2014 07:17 PM:

Good thread with many good posts.

My potlickers are always dead loners that always have the coon on the internet. I don't know what seems to happen, but when you take them hunting for real with other dogs, danged if they don't pack up & tree empties Go figure!

Like ole Mr. Jones says .... just pat em on the head & tell em good boy anyway!

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