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Posted by Preston Owens on 02-25-2013 11:29 PM:

Re: Yes

quote:
Originally posted by Jarrod Washburn
Jack made it clear that night why he's still (an always) will be my FAVRITE hound to walk behind.....a true pleasure hunt and listen to

Rain is really goofing up my hunting, Fireball Jack is ready to go...

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Posted by Preston Owens on 02-26-2013 12:34 AM:

good article

submitted by Dow Hale:

........................Inbreeding
..........Dr. R.A. Guill geneticist

I think there is somewhat of a misconception about inbreeding and/ or linebreeding. Inbreeding is the breeding of two individuals more closely related than the average inbreeding of the population from which these two individuals were taken, Linebreeding is a mild form of inbreeding usually where one individual keeps showing up on one side of the pedigree.
I have read advertisements where people say they have bred granddaughter to a grandson of old so-and-so and the pups will have 50% of his blood. These pups infact would only be slightly over 3% inbred. Inbreeding is expressed as Inbreeding coefficents which are calculated by the formula Fx=(1/2)n-1(1Fa). These coefficients are only statistical values acquired by the number of generations the animal in question is removed from its common ancestor. These coeffients are theoretical values assuming every gene on every chromosome has equally 1/2 chance being passed on to the next generation.
When practicing an inbreeding program one should look very closely at the individuals used.For example,when breeding half brother to half sister,these two individuals should be very much like the common ancestor from which they got their outstanding characteristics.If one was like its dam and the other one is like its sire there is no need to inbreed these two individuals because you are not concentrating on the genes of one individual. Father to daughter,and son to dam are also methods of inbreeding.Here again,only breed a sire to his daughter if that daughter is very much like her sire and the same for son to dam.There would be no need to breed a son to his dam if the son was like his sire,you would not be accumulating the desirable genes of the dam which is the purpose of inbreeding. I would not advise Full Brother -Sister matings because you do not know which common ancestor you are accumulating the traits from the grandam or grandsire.
The following list shows some of the inbreeding coefficients of certain crosses: (assuming none of the ancestors are inbred)
1.Sire X Daughter .25
2.Son X Dam .25
3. Full Brother X full Sister .25 (.125 from each grandparent)
4.half brother X Half Sister .125
5.Sire x grandam .125
6. sire X granddaughter .125
7.nephew X Aunt .0625
8. Niece X Uncle .0625
9.Double first cousins .0625 (.0156 from each great grand parent)
10. first cousins .03125 (.0156 from two great grandparents)

I also think people are confusing open and silent trailing ability, which doesnt have anything to do with inbreeding other than the fact that you can increase or decrease this trait by inbreeding.Most dogs of the hound variety, can smell about the same,the difference is not in the nose of the dog but the excitability threshold. How much scent does it take to excite that individual before it will bark. This is the trait we are breeding for. The same type inheritance is involved in treeing. It is controlled by multiple genetic factors. A dog isnt either open or silent nor will he bark treed or wont bark treed! It just isnt that simple,there are multigenetic factors involved in these traits and we use the treeing because by in large those dogs that are real hard hunters,good strike dogs and trail dogs are not as good on the tree.Where as the the real good tree dogs are not quite as good on hustle,strike,and trail.We are beginning to break up these linkage groups because we are breeding lines of dogs that are better in striking,trailing,and treeing.
The reason it is difficult to get everything in one individual is because of the number of traits we are selecting for.Suppose we are selecting for tree barking,tree locating, tree holding (all of which are different) Hustle,quick strike,ability to move a track once struck,voice,right amount of voice depending on type of track,handling ability,conformation,color. This would put eleven whe N is in the formula,that is if we give each trait the same weight on selection. Therefore X would equal .3, or we would expect this much progress in our breeding program if we had all these traits in our breeding stock. We dont make this much progress each generation,but we are making such faster advancements than in the past. One important Fact we cannot overlook,is the difference in the way people are handling and training these dogs. genetic makeup is only 50% and environment plays the other 50% of what each hound makes. So to have an outstanding hound,you must have one that has the genetic makeup to be outstanding, then the rest is left up to the trainer.

I thought this article was very well written and thought Id share it with all of yall. Ive read it countless time over the years to remind me how important the SELECTION process is. I hope yall enjoy it

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Posted by Preston Owens on 03-07-2013 02:37 AM:

Baby Jack

7mths old, very intense hard tree dog with an outstanding mouth. several littermates to him are treeing as well.
..................................Fireball III Big John
.......................Dynamites rising Red Moon
.................................Roe's blue Creek Queen
.......Fireball Red Moon The Deuce
...................................Meltons Red Hawk
.......................Meltons Red Rose
...................................Martins Ruby

Baby Jack

..........................................Dynamites rising Red Moon
......................Fireballs Hacksaw Jack
...........................................Meltons Red Rose
.......AR Little Girl
..........................................Meltons Red Banjo
.....................Martin-Bakers Lightin Lil Ann
.........................................Martins Treeing Trixie

.......................Maybe in the future????????? ( Cross )

...........................Fireballs Hacksaw Jack
.................Fireballs Red Hot Hanna
..........................Yellow River red MollyB

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Posted by Preston Owens on 03-08-2013 12:43 AM:

a little history

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Posted by Preston Owens on 03-31-2013 06:23 AM:

there is no better sound

Than getting a phone call from a good friend and hearing a loud treedog letting it rip!

I spoke with Mr Fireball today, I sure enjoy visiting with him, he really has a wealth of knowledge on coonhounds and coonhound breeding.

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Posted by Preston Owens on 04-02-2013 07:41 AM:

willie

Another successful hunt, got a late start but saw 2 on the outside and 1 den. Not bad for a pup

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Posted by Preston Owens on 04-12-2013 05:27 PM:

Jack

Im proud to say there will be another nice redbone female bred to him when she comes in heat. These pups should make some really nice ones... Im fixing to Place Jack back into the Performance Sire Program for 2013 Im looking forward to the upcoming cross on Jack... Thanks for reading

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Posted by Preston Owens on 04-30-2013 01:50 AM:

The Return Of Fireball Jack

He is the looking more and more like a hound that could really be a game changer! Medium build Tall,good tight feet, Black muzzle, loud. Just super nice

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Posted by Travis O. on 04-30-2013 11:45 PM:

I thought I'd post this in case anyone was interested. This is cassie ped, she will bred to jack this summer. If you're looking for an intelligent type of dog that trees coons, get in touch with me or Preston.

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Posted by Preston Owens on 05-01-2013 01:23 AM:

Travis

Man those pups will be some real Stemwinders!

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Posted by In Redman Hound on 05-01-2013 01:46 AM:

PRESTON

THINK I COULD JOIN TEAM FIREBALL ???

EDDIE

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Posted by Preston Owens on 05-02-2013 04:23 AM:

Re: PRESTON

quote:
Originally posted by In Redman Hound
THINK I COULD JOIN TEAM FIREBALL ???

EDDIE

I already considered you a Team Player

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Posted by Preston Owens on 05-23-2013 03:34 PM:

Born 8/2/12

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Posted by Preston Owens on 05-23-2013 03:35 PM:

Jack

2013 Performance Sire.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 05-23-2013 03:42 PM:

Only 3 more weeks, is Willie ready to go?

Posted by Richard Lambert on 05-23-2013 03:43 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Thanks guys

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Preston has the coondog, I have seen him in action.

Don't make me look bad, now!!!!

Posted by Preston Owens on 05-24-2013 04:00 AM:

Richard

Willie isn't ready yet, I figure he should be atleast 2 yrs old b4 I enter him in a hunt

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Posted by In Redman Hound on 05-24-2013 05:50 AM:

Re: Richard

quote:
Originally posted by Preston Owens
Willie isn't ready yet, I figure he should be atleast 2 yrs old b4 I enter him in a hunt

PRESTON, IM LIKE HERB I WAIT TILL THERE 3 IM OLD SCHOOL GOOD ONES ARE TO HARD TO FIND NO NEED TO PUT THEM IN THERE TO EARLY & GET THE CRAP ATE OUT OF ONE MAYBE. I HAVE A FRIEND IN NC LASTYEAR HE PUT A YEAR OLD GIP IN A NT. HUNT SHE GOT ALL EAT UP & NOW SHE WONT TREE WITH ANYTHING SHE IS DONE & WAS SUPER NICE FOR HER AGE.

I'VE PUT ONE DOG IN BEFORE THEY WERE 3 & HE GOT THE CRAP ATE OUT OF HIM SEVERAL TIMES HE WAS SUCH A TREEDOG HE NEVER GAVE UP BUT I SAID I'LL GO BACK TO WHAT I'VE DONE ALL MY LIFE & THATS WAIT TILL THERE 3.

GOOD LUCK WITH HIM !

EDDIE

Posted by Preston Owens on 05-24-2013 02:44 PM:

Eddie

I agree with you 100%. The only thing that will change about willie between now and 3 is he will be even better. I'm in no rush to put him in

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Posted by redpower on 05-24-2013 04:17 PM:

Willie could win in the hunts know if u were so amind to put him in them. NICE dog

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Posted by In Redman Hound on 05-24-2013 08:32 PM:

Re: Eddie

quote:
Originally posted by Preston Owens
I agree with you 100%. The only thing that will change about willie between now and 3 is he will be even better. I'm in no rush to put him in

NOT SAYING THERES NOT SOME OUTSTANDING YOUNG DOGS BUT, ITS ALOT EASIER TO MESS THEM UP THAN IT IS TO MAKE A GOOD ONE OUT OF THEM @ 3 THEY SHOULD HAVE HAD A COUPLE GOOD KILL SEASONS ON THEM TO TAKE THE PRESSURE THAT WILL BE PUT ON THEM IN THE HUNTS.

JUST NEVER SEEN SO MANY DOGS THAT LIKE TO RUN & THERES NOWAY THATS GOOD ON A 1 1/2 OR A 2 YR. OLD DOG @ 3 THERE ALOT BETTER DOG IF THEY HAVE BEEN KEEP IN THE TIMBER THAN A 2 YR. OLD DOG ITS PRETTY SIMPLE THE MORE TRACKS THEY GO DOWN THE BETTER THEY SHOULD BE. (JMO)

PS IF THEY HAVE BRAINS TO GET BETTER THE MORE TRACKS THE BETTER THE DOG WILL GET.

Posted by Preston Owens on 05-24-2013 10:54 PM:

eddie Dale

Thanks guys, I like ole Willie a lot, I'm not in a hurry to put him in, I've got a real situation goin on, 4 young dogs that are lock down tree dogs and I'm not getting to hunt much. Lately I've not hunted at all. Willie,Hanna,baby Jack, and Yeller. I've got a mess lol I figured to be able to cull some, but I like the whole lot of them. I'm not sure what I'm gonna do

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Posted by 54tsmith on 05-25-2013 01:46 AM:

preston

man oh man sounds like you got a real delema down there!!! well you might have to pass one or two of them on!! hahahha maybe you will have to hire a handler. hhhhmmmm rex tells me willy was nice. sounds like the king likes him as well. polish them up!!

by the way how does a guy join team fireball? do they let just anyone in? just curious.

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Posted by redpower on 05-25-2013 01:38 PM:

Re: preston

quote:
Originally posted by 54tsmith !

by the way how does a guy join team fireball? do they let just anyone in? just curious. [/B]

If they let The King in they will let anyone in. lol ha ha

Posted by In Redman Hound on 05-26-2013 12:28 AM:

Re: preston

quote:
Originally posted by 54tsmith
man oh man sounds like you got a real delema down there!!! well you might have to pass one or two of them on!! hahahha maybe you will have to hire a handler. hhhhmmmm rex tells me willy was nice. sounds like the king likes him as well. polish them up!!

by the way how does a guy join team fireball? do they let just anyone in? just curious.

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