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Posted by Matt McKinney on 09-19-2012 11:24 PM:

Im not spouting any type of rhetoric. If you go up and read the previous post, a man ask for proof of terrorist's , who claim to be christians. So i provided him the info he ask for. I never said that I think those people are christians, or men and woman of god, obviously they have mental problems, and are sociapaths and doing the things they do, do not lead a very christian life. But people are crazy.

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Originally posted by garminguru
That may be a little presumptuous of me I suppose.
Every time I have heard someone spouting the rhetoric concerning Christians that you are, that was the case! Maybe I am wrong this time.

Posted by Rip on 09-19-2012 11:36 PM:

Well the healthcare bill will kill the great healthcare we have in the US.

The dirty little secret in all this was that 87% of the people were happy with their health care plan so we are going to take away 87% of the peoples healthcare to make 10% happy (still won't be 100%).

Fact of the matter is you won't be able to keep your health plan unless you are willing to pay an exorbitant tax on it, you are a member of the gubment or the union or are wealthy enough to just pay for your healthcare outright.

Thats what having a "penalty" about 1/4 the cost of providing the insurance will do. Almost no business will pay 3/4 more because they want to. They will just pay the "penalty" and their employees will have to go on the gubment system.

The gubment system will only pay about 1/2 what it is worth so you won't be able to find doctors willing to treat you for that and it will mean long lines and lots of rationing.

Physicians are already required by law to use electronic medical records and they must use a gubment approved system. The gubment approved systems all send the gubment your private health information such as all your diagnises, past medical history, medications, smoking, alcohol, weight etc. Those are just some of the things that get sent to the gubment now. That's why Pelosi said congress had to pass it to see what's in it.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 09-19-2012 11:46 PM:

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Originally posted by shakethevine
Working People?...........AUTO INDUSTRY!

Millions of auto/auto related jobs saved......

That was a good thing? Millions of union in his back pocket jobs saved. So Myself I dont count that. Should have bailed out the millions of small businesses that went under but in these parts. You cant pay your way. Its time to be gone. We could still buy other makes. GM wouldnt have went under. The rich just got richer is all.

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Posted by conhtr1 on 09-20-2012 02:57 AM:

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Originally posted by shakethevine
What about the grocery stores near the plants, or the 1000 little mom and pop places that make a certain part, or the gas station just out side the plant, 1000's of car dealerships and their employees etc. etc. I could go on for days on who is supported by the auto industry.......

Why not bail everyone out? We playing favorites?Let's just bail out all these 'evil' corporations. Why did they need bailed out? MISMANAGEMENT plain and simple. Glad they had the ole tax payer safety net. I wouldn't mind taking a risk to start a company if uncle sam would bail me out if it failed.

Posted by Jackson87 on 09-20-2012 03:10 AM:

I love america.I dont want a handout so dont try and judge me by one post.I hunt all night, work all day and barely make a dollar.I get pissed off about paying high costs for health care cause i personally know dozens of people who are perfectly healthy. They sleep in every day,get free health insurance,have kids for free,get 7 or more thousand back on there taxes every year and have no intentions on ever gettin a job.Obama gets all them bums votes cause they love the way things are.Wake up

Posted by conhtr1 on 09-20-2012 03:10 AM:

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Originally posted by Matt McKinney
You must only read half of a thread. I corrected myself and said I meant to say 1000 every 2 weeks. And I didn't use the system. I used a program that I help pay for with my tax money. Like I said if your too stupid to see that then I don't know what to tell you. And im not buying for one second that you wouldn't use the program if you were looking at a hospital bill that was as much as a new car. I call bs on that.

Yes, you used a program in the 'system' therefore you used the system. All those using the system are just as proud for you paying for them as you are for getting part of your taxes back.
If your bill had been a million, would you have been just like all the other welfare users of the system?

So you pay 26,000 per year taxes. take any deductions? You one of those that want to see Mitt's returns? I mean, every obama supporter on here seem to hate the rich because they take deductions and pay less of a percentage. They use the tax code to their advantage just like you did on your medical.

Posted by conhtr1 on 09-20-2012 03:20 AM:

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Originally posted by Matt McKinney
LOL!!!!!!!!

Thats funny. The CEO and President of Ford testified that his company (FORD) would suffer if congress did not pass legislation to provide financial support to the failing auto industry, he urged congress to pass the bill. Even though they werent part of the 79 billion dollar bailout, in 2009 Ford DID recieve 5.9 BILLION in government loans to re construct their manufacturing plants in order to produce more fuel efficient cars. They also lobbied and benefited frm the cash for clunkers program. They didnt get any money under the AIFP, but they certainly got federal assistance.

Then they put adds on TV claiming that they stand on their own, and slammed their competitors, and people just believe it.

It amazes me people just post stuff when actually nothing could be further from the truth.

They were just using the programs that are there for honest tax paying Americans corporations.

Posted by GA DAWG on 09-20-2012 03:26 AM:

All these stupid azz "programs" need to be done away with. Shouldn't be a place in the system for my tax dollars to pay somebpdys hospital bill that makes that much money.

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Posted by Matt McKinney on 09-20-2012 03:34 AM:

Im not an obama supporter. I don't care about romneys tax returns never mentioned them at all or said one bad thing about romney.I have actually said several times.that I don't like either candidate I didn't use the system as in take advantage of the system or milk it. Didn't you just post you would gamble and start your own business if you were sure the government would bail you out.

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Originally posted by conhtr1
Yes, you used a program in the 'system' therefore you used the system. All those using the system are just as proud for you paying for them as you are for getting part of your taxes back.
If your bill had been a million, would you have been just like all the other welfare users of the system?

So you pay 26,000 per year taxes. take any deductions? You one of those that want to see Mitt's returns? I mean, every obama supporter on here seem to hate the rich because they take deductions and pay less of a percentage. They use the tax code to their advantage just like you did on your medical.

Posted by Matt McKinney on 09-20-2012 03:37 AM:

That's fine they used it. But if your gonna post something make sure its true. Trying to be cool and saying my family only buys fords cause they didn't get any money when they did only makes you look foolish.

QUOTE]Originally posted by conhtr1
They were just using the programs that are there for honest tax paying Americans corporations. [/QUOTE]

Posted by groworg1 on 09-20-2012 03:47 AM:

come to my house i'll take you around the hill and show you hard core republicans that have fences you paid for trees you paid to have planted and many that get paid not to farm and yes they all support romney and the republican dream its okay if they get money but the rest is welfare and they hate it while milking the system for all its worth !

Posted by Knox on 09-20-2012 03:56 AM:

Oh No..........

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Originally posted by groworg1
come to my house i'll take you around the hill and show you hard core republicans that have fences you paid for trees you paid to have planted and many that get paid not to farm and yes they all support romney and the republican dream its okay if they get money but the rest is welfare and they hate it while milking the system for all its worth !

........Surely a Republican wouldn't do such a thing...........

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Posted by garminguru on 09-20-2012 04:00 AM:

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Originally posted by Matt McKinney
You must only read half of a thread. I corrected myself and said I meant to say 1000 every 2 weeks. And I didn't use the system. I used a program that I help pay for with my tax money. Like I said if your too stupid to see that then I don't know what to tell you. And im not buying for one second that you wouldn't use the program if you were looking at a hospital bill that was as much as a new car. I call bs on that.

26,000 in income taxes???? Wow you must be a millionaire to be in that tax bracket. I do not believe it for a second! You are saying you paid income taxes that are close to what a median wage earner would make?

Posted by garminguru on 09-20-2012 04:09 AM:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Matt McKinney
[B]Excuse me? I have never been on unemployment , welfare, or paid with anything with a foodstamp. I used a program that was available to me and that my tax dollars goes to as well. I pay dang near 1000 a week in taxes. Do you pay that much? I work 50+ hours a week and bust my butt so my wife can stay home and raise our kids. If you had a 20k hospital bill and you were eligle for a program that YOU pay for and you don't take advantage of it then you don't know what a good choice is. Do you ever stop to think not everyone that uses an option that is there for them is a lazy bum. Who are you to question my integrity. And learn to read I never said Obama did anything to cause me to make more money. I simply said I'm making more now than I ever did. And because I can own coonhounds don't mean I can pay a 20k hospital bill. And " we the people"..I'm one of those people. If your not smart enough to accept help if you need help then that's your fault.

garminguru says:

"If you made an amount of money that required 26,000 in income tax from you, you should have been able to pay cash for a 20,000 doctor bill. Nothing you say going forward is believable!!!"

Posted by Matt McKinney on 09-20-2012 04:14 AM:

You don't have to believe anything I say. That's certainly your option.

QUOTE]Originally posted by garminguru

quote:
Originally posted by Matt McKinney
[B]Excuse me? I have never been on unemployment , welfare, or paid with anything with a foodstamp. I used a program that was available to me and that my tax dollars goes to as well. I pay dang near 1000 a week in taxes. Do you pay that much? I work 50+ hours a week and bust my butt so my wife can stay home and raise our kids. If you had a 20k hospital bill and you were eligle for a program that YOU pay for and you don't take advantage of it then you don't know what a good choice is. Do you ever stop to think not everyone that uses an option that is there for them is a lazy bum. Who are you to question my integrity. And learn to read I never said Obama did anything to cause me to make more money. I simply said I'm making more now than I ever did. And because I can own coonhounds don't mean I can pay a 20k hospital bill. And " we the people"..I'm one of those people. If your not smart enough to accept help if you need help then that's your fault.

garminguru says:

"If you made an amount of money that required 26,000 in income tax from you, you should have been able to pay cash for a 20,000 doctor bill. Nothing you say going forward is believable!!!"

Posted by conhtr1 on 09-20-2012 04:20 AM:

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Originally posted by Matt McKinney
Im not an obama supporter. I don't care about romneys tax returns never mentioned them at all or said one bad thing about romney.I have actually said several times.that I don't like either candidate I didn't use the system as in take advantage of the system or milk it. Didn't you just post you would gamble and start your own business if you were sure the government would bail you out.

I was mearly pointing out a company should not have the luxury of a safety net from taxpayers money and call it risk. If you want to gamble, the government should not hender you but We the tax payers should not be bailing them out. (called sarcasm).

Posted by conhtr1 on 09-20-2012 04:21 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Matt McKinney
That's fine they used it. But if your gonna post something make sure its true. Trying to be cool and saying my family only buys fords cause they didn't get any money when they did only makes you look foolish.

QUOTE]Originally posted by conhtr1
They were just using the programs that are there for honest tax paying Americans corporations.

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I did not make the post about Ford but I was pointing out you used the system just like they did.

Posted by Matt McKinney on 09-20-2012 04:23 AM:

I know you didn't make the post.

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Originally posted by conhtr1

I did not make the post about Ford but I was pointing out you used the system just like they did. [/B][/QUOTE]

Posted by conhtr1 on 09-20-2012 04:26 AM:

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Originally posted by groworg1
come to my house i'll take you around the hill and show you hard core republicans that have fences you paid for trees you paid to have planted and many that get paid not to farm and yes they all support romney and the republican dream its okay if they get money but the rest is welfare and they hate it while milking the system for all its worth !

You vote for obama and he's on record as being for redistribution. Don't gripe if the money isn't going to who you think it should. You know he knows what's best when it comes to spending your money so just hand it over.

Posted by conhtr1 on 09-20-2012 04:35 AM:

Re: Oh No..........

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Originally posted by Knox
........Surely a Republican wouldn't do such a thing...........

I see you're still straddling the fence.

Posted by groworg1 on 09-20-2012 04:35 AM:

all started as bush money i don't want a dime they can keep there money i just think it takes balls to complain about welfare when they get it themselves.

Posted by conhtr1 on 09-20-2012 04:49 AM:

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Originally posted by groworg1
all started as bush money i don't want a dime they can keep there money i just think it takes balls to complain about welfare when they get it themselves.

According to Matt, you're a fool if you don't use the programs you qualify for to get some of that tax money back.
So if we can still blame bush almost 4 years later, the recession in bush's first term is clinton's fault and the prosperity in clinton's first term was because of bush 1's expert leadership. I understand now.

Posted by l.lyle on 09-20-2012 05:14 AM:

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Originally posted by groworg1
come to my house i'll take you around the hill and show you hard core republicans that have fences you paid for trees you paid to have planted and many that get paid not to farm and yes they all support romney and the republican dream its okay if they get money but the rest is welfare and they hate it while milking the system for all its worth !

Likely one of mmy cousins got sold out from hyar and moved from gods country up there trying to recoupe he losses . But he ain't dumb and neather me.After he got sold out by the IRS I ain't sure just where he is aboding these days. But I bet he has had a change of mindset for he is not dumb and neither is me. LOL I wishe he wish, that I wish that HE wish that we haed got together and wish : like union power in nimbers can wish and hope for change inthe RIGHT direction . LOL while every body abandon their homeland to get down hyar and save up some money on Heating bills ? Why should he not tumb a ride up there to wherever you hang out and "farm at workplace" ? ..... That is funny ,needs a little paidfor timeoff the learnup the system > Scounging around . I done sent him a contact for Truely to find out how in the heck He can get some freee windowpalin magic glasses to convert solunular energy it to a HHot Pad while he lays around with some Yankeeass women contemplating stuff. LOL He done invited me up there for a visit but not to stay, told me I got to get myass on outahyar before I get to be a dangum Yankee and Stay hyar..

You know what ? Groworg? the tenth sreries of Yankees that moved down hyar enmass 30 years ago , brought some crap with them . They might even say about getting a Septic Tank Permit, " "this is NOT the way we did it up North. To which the laborers and Carpenters and County Codes folk would say!!Who gives a GD Sht? By the time the 20th round of Yankees got down hyar , they say "I'm sho glad the SOB's down hyar on the local level don't mess around failing like did up North. LOL ;, I like'em mostly,; though some tend to mount a "high horse" time to time and fall offf. But the one's that succeded on getting down hyar are mostly Republican Freedom Lovers. I generally like them , and whenever I got to go from hyar and move up there to be your neighbor, You can bet your fanny I will not move up to your neck of the woods and bring my stupid way of doing with me. "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" is what I ascribe to.

LOL Are you wanted to be a self proclaimed MUhammed? Show us all a "better way"". How 'bout a Blue Healer Vs a Bluetick? Sell Dat'n to me. Tell me i'm just stupid . LOL That goes a long ways to convincing me since I can see your "something for nothing self idealism " is so smart,

Posted by groworg1 on 09-20-2012 06:17 AM:

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Posted by skeets on 09-20-2012 06:40 AM:

you finally said something that makes since. lol

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