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Posted by dbprofitt56 on 04-04-2012 05:41 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Joey
is the problem I have. Do you think for one minute that we would have even heard about it had both of the people been of the same race? No, so the whole thing is blown up to drive someone’s political motives. Jesse and Al make their living off of this kind of crap and they are as big of racist as the klan.
I was raised from the time I was 12 by a black woman. Her grandson has been my very best friend for 23 years. I have seen both sides of the fence, racism is alive and well in the US and everywhere else on the planet. Trust me there are as many black racist as there are white. Living in a black community I experienced just as much racism as your brother in law does today. I don’t think this is an issue of race it’s an issue of bad police work and a lying media. Someone lost a son and someone else’s sons life is ruined. That’s all you, me or anyone else knows for sure.

You hit the nail on the head! But what scalds my balls, is someone coming on here and labeling George Zimmerman a vigilante!

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Posted by rghnd123 on 04-04-2012 06:20 PM:

Racism???

Who is really racist here? This thing is being blown out of the water strictly on race. No one really wants the truth. In Minden La almost two weeks ago. A white woman with a husband and kids was sitting on her porch. A black male approached her asking for help. She said she couldn't help him. He pulled a gun and shot her. He then ran, a cop was passing as this unfolded. The cop ran him down and he was arrested. When asked why he shot her he stated I asked for help and didn't like her answer. There hasn't been much coverage on this. Where are Obama, Sharpton Ljackson and the rest of the half wit liberals on this one. We need them to be sure the shooter is punished to the full extent of the law.

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Posted by Rip on 04-04-2012 06:29 PM:

See I don't agree with pointing to other crimes that aren't associated with this one and saying "what about them".

There's good and bad in all folks. Killings go both ways. For every black on white murder you show you can show a black on black or a white on black. That's not really the issue for me. Bad things happe. I wish they didn't but they do.

I do agree that if we are discussing this particular case that it is fair to point out things pertaining to this one.

Especially things like NBC finally apologizing today for editing the 911 tape they aired to show how racist the older guy was. Whoops, looks like he wasn't racist and it wasn't about race. He said "he looks black" in response to a direct question from the dispatcher about what race the suspicious person was.

They claim it was an accident, but in reality it was done intentionally in order to stir up racial tension on this issue.

The intentional telling of only one side of the story in an effort to start unrest and division is what I have an issue with.

The mainstream medai, Obama, Jackson, The Black Panthers, Sharpton, Ophra, and Sinbad are all guilty of this on this particular issue.

It's just as sickening as when the KKK used to do the same thing in reverse in an effort to further their cause.

You should never lie or frame someone because you think the cause is just. The ends do not justify the means and it's pathetic.

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Posted by truly on 04-04-2012 06:34 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by dbprofitt56
You hit the nail on the head! But what scalds my balls, is someone coming on here and labeling George Zimmerman a vigilante!

Sorry dbp, but maybe you are not aware of the definition of vigilante:
vigilante [ˌvɪdʒɪˈlæntɪ]
n
1. one of an organized group of citizens who take upon themselves the protection of their district, properties, etc.
2. Also called vigilance man US a member of a vigilance committee
[from Spanish, from Latin vigilāre to keep watch]
One of the facts of this case that seems undisputed is that Zimmerman was a part of a neighborhood watch group formed expressly to protect their property and neighborhood. This by definition makes him a "vigilante".

1. One who takes or advocates the taking of law enforcement into one's own hands.

rghnd- the difference in the Trayvon case, and the case that you bring up, or the one that Seeker brought up earlier is that the killer WAS ARRESTED. A thorough investigation then ensues, and hopefully justice is done. In the Trayvon case it has been over a month, and they did not get around to interviewing his girlfriend [who he was on the phone with while he supposedly was bashing the mans skull in] until just last week and yesterday. I think there is some justification of self defense, but to not do a complete and thorough investigation after someone has been gunned down? There seems to be few instances of blacks "not being punished to the full extent of the law", and few instances of poor folk being let of the hook. The wealthier you are, the whiter you are, the better you seem to get treated by the law. Think of all of the stories on this site, over the years, of guys getting their coon dogs shot by a landowner. Seems like the landowner always has the advantage. Even if what he did was clearly illegal prosecutors often whistle their way past the crime.

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Posted by Rip on 04-04-2012 06:38 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
Sorry dbp, but maybe you are not aware of the definition of vigilante:
vigilante [ˌvɪdʒɪˈlæntɪ]
n
1. one of an organized group of citizens who take upon themselves the protection of their district, properties, etc.
2. Also called vigilance man US a member of a vigilance committee
[from Spanish, from Latin vigilāre to keep watch]
One of the facts of this case that seems undisputed is that Zimmerman was a part of a neighborhood watch group formed expressly to protect their property and neighborhood. This by definition makes him a "vigilante".

1. One who takes or advocates the taking of law enforcement into one's own hands.

rghnd- the difference in the Trayvon case, and the case that you bring up, or the one that Seeker brought up earlier is that the killer WAS ARRESTED. A thorough investigation then ensues, and hopefully justice is done. In the Trayvon case it has been over a month, and they did not get around to interviewing his girlfriend [who he was on the phone with while he supposedly was bashing the mans skull in] until just last week and yesterday. I think there is some justification of self defense, but to not do a complete and thorough investigation after someone has been gunned down? There seems to be few instances of blacks "not being punished to the full extent of the law", and few instances of poor folk being let of the hook. The wealthier you are, the whiter you are, the better you seem to get treated by the law. Think of all of the stories on this site, over the years, of guys getting their coon dogs shot by a landowner. Seems like the landowner always has the advantage. Even if what he did was clearly illegal prosecutors often whistle their way past the crime.

So are you trying to say like the rest of the lying mainstream media that the older guy is a rich white dude?

He's a HISPANIC, one of the ones that supposedly can't get a fair shake according to liberals.

I do agree that in this instance he hasn't gotten a fair shake with the media and talking race pimps.

I hope he gets a fair shake where the law is concerned.

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 04-04-2012 06:46 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
Sorry dbp, but maybe you are not aware of the definition of vigilante:
vigilante [ˌvɪdʒɪˈlæntɪ]
n
1. one of an organized group of citizens who take upon themselves the protection of their district, properties, etc.
2. Also called vigilance man US a member of a vigilance committee
[from Spanish, from Latin vigilāre to keep watch]
One of the facts of this case that seems undisputed is that Zimmerman was a part of a neighborhood watch group formed expressly to protect their property and neighborhood. This by definition makes him a "vigilante".

1. One who takes or advocates the taking of law enforcement into one's own hands.

rghnd- the difference in the Trayvon case, and the case that you bring up, or the one that Seeker brought up earlier is that the killer WAS ARRESTED. A thorough investigation then ensues, and hopefully justice is done. In the Trayvon case it has been over a month, and they did not get around to interviewing his girlfriend [who he was on the phone with while he supposedly was bashing the mans skull in] until just last week and yesterday. I think there is some justification of self defense, but to not do a complete and thorough investigation after someone has been gunned down? There seems to be few instances of blacks "not being punished to the full extent of the law", and few instances of poor folk being let of the hook. The wealthier you are, the whiter you are, the better you seem to get treated by the law. Think of all of the stories on this site, over the years, of guys getting their coon dogs shot by a landowner. Seems like the landowner always has the advantage. Even if what he did was clearly illegal prosecutors often whistle their way past the crime.

What about OJ Simpson? Prime example on the other side.

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Posted by rghnd123 on 04-04-2012 06:49 PM:

Hate

Truly your just as racist as the next guy. This guy wasn't white. They are not letting him go because he's white. Truly have you ever thought this guy works hard for his money and he's tired of punks coming in and stealing. Someone that truly wants justice can look into both sides. You haven't thought once that the white mexican could have been justified. No, you think he killed an innocent brother so he should die. Trayvon was in trouble had been in trouble and gonna stay in trouble. Maybe you should find some trouble youths in your neighborhood and show them the right way. That is if the fact a youth was killed is really what bothers you.

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 04-04-2012 06:55 PM:

Re: Hate

quote:
Originally posted by rghnd123
Truly your just as racist as the next guy. This guy wasn't white. They are not letting him go because he's white. Truly have you ever thought this guy works hard for his money and he's tired of punks coming in and stealing. Someone that truly wants justice can look into both sides. You haven't thought once that the white mexican could have been justified. No, you think he killed an innocent brother so he should die. Trayvon was in trouble had been in trouble and gonna stay in trouble. Maybe you should find some trouble youths in your neighborhood and show them the right way. That is if the fact a youth was killed is really what bothers you.

I don't know why we waste our time even replying to ol truly. It's ovbious who he sides with. No real American would EVER vote for Obama, yet truly does and tells us all how dumb we are for not doing the same.

Posted by truly on 04-04-2012 07:07 PM:

from Reuters:
As in many cities in the South, Sanford has a long history of racial tension, and black mistrust of the police runs deep. In 2011, a previous Sanford police chief was forced out of the job after a white police officer's son was captured on video sucker-punching a black homeless man outside a bar. Sanford police did not arrest the assailant until video of the attack surfaced on local TV and provoked an outcry from Sanford civil rights leaders.

Hoosier Man- O.J. was arrested and tried. You may remember they had a fairly well publicized trial. many think justice was not done, but at least there was a trial.

rghnd quote
"You haven't thought once that the white mexican could have been justified. No, you think he killed an innocent brother so he should die."
No I don't think Zimmerman should die. I think the killing of Trayvon should be fully investigated.

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 04-04-2012 07:09 PM:

Do you really not think its being investigated? Come on

Posted by rghnd123 on 04-04-2012 07:20 PM:

Investigation

Its being investigated. The idiots aren't satisfied because Zimmerman isn't in jail. Have you ever thought that Zimmerman was not in the wrong for shooting Trayvon. He wasn't out at 3 in the morning jogging or anything else useful. He was up to no good. The news or the rest of the idiots will never admit that.

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Posted by Jim Hill on 04-04-2012 07:29 PM:

Re: Investigation

quote:
Originally posted by rghnd123
Its being investigated. The idiots aren't satisfied because Zimmerman isn't in jail. Have you ever thought that Zimmerman was not in the wrong for shooting Trayvon. He wasn't out at 3 in the morning jogging or anything else useful. He was up to no good. The news or the rest of the idiots will never admit that.

so just because he was out at 3am means he was up too no good???? so when im driving home from coon hunting at 3 am does that mean im out looking for trob too ????

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Posted by rghnd123 on 04-04-2012 07:32 PM:

Up to no good

If your out from coonhunting at 3am and stop your truck and start wandering through folks yard then no your not up to any good.

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Posted by truly on 04-04-2012 07:40 PM:

Re: Re: Investigation

quote:
Originally posted by Jim Hill
so just because he was out at 3am means he was up too no good???? so when im driving home from coon hunting at 3 am does that mean im out looking for trob too ????

Jim, this is a pointless argument to have. Trayvon was shot just after 7:12 pm and was declared dead by EMT's at 7:30. I mean I agree with you that 3 a.m. should have no bearing on the issue, but I have no clue where some of these folks get their info at.
But you raise a point that I brought up a few days ago- just cause we are out at night- sometimes sneaking into someones back yard to get a dog that has gotten into a corncrib or barn, should the property owner be able to gun us down?

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Posted by truly on 04-04-2012 07:42 PM:

BTW, the other night at the RQE there were several guys wearing hoodies. Out late at night, wearing hoodies. that is risky!

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 04-04-2012 07:48 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
BTW, the other night at the RQE there were several guys wearing hoodies. Out late at night, wearing hoodies. that is risky!

See here is the thing. What is the black crime rate in the citys across the country? Do you have any idea how much higher it is then any other race?

If I was one of 10 children and 9 of my siblings were killers does that make me a killer? No but people can't help but assume i'm dangerous. This is no different. A tall black guy was seen walking with his hood up in a nice community. Call it racist, call it whatever you want. But people pay for what others do. Right or wrong!

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 04-04-2012 07:50 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Investigation

quote:
Originally posted by truly
Jim, this is a pointless argument to have. Trayvon was shot just after 7:12 pm and was declared dead by EMT's at 7:30. I mean I agree with you that 3 a.m. should have no bearing on the issue, but I have no clue where some of these folks get their info at.
But you raise a point that I brought up a few days ago- just cause we are out at night- sometimes sneaking into someones back yard to get a dog that has gotten into a corncrib or barn, should the property owner be able to gun us down?

If we come up to them and punch them and start beating their head in then YES they have every right to protect their life! See Truly I can play the game just as good. There's two sides and it's ovbious where yours has been the whole time.

Posted by jackbob42 on 04-04-2012 08:33 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Investigation

quote:
Originally posted by truly
.....But you raise a point that I brought up a few days ago- just cause we are out at night- sometimes sneaking into someones back yard to get a dog that has gotten into a corncrib or barn, should the property owner be able to gun us down?

If you ain't man enough to go to the door , don't be surprised if you get shot while "sneaking" around.
I know we've all done it. But , if you're gonna do it , be aware of what could possibly happen.

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Posted by dbprofitt56 on 04-04-2012 08:35 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Investigation

quote:
Originally posted by truly
But you raise a point that I brought up a few days ago- just cause we are out at night- sometimes sneaking into someones back yard to get a dog that has gotten into a corncrib or barn, should the property owner be able to gun us down?

Absolutely, if I come up behind him, break his nose, and try to kill him by beating his head against the concrete.

Posted by Jim Hill on 04-04-2012 08:43 PM:

there is no since fighting with stupid people , have fun yall

Posted by rghnd123 on 04-04-2012 09:03 PM:

opinions

Opinions are not intelligence Jim. You don't agree with what I say, I don't agree with what you say. You come across as a throw your coffee cup type fellow when not agreed with. So have fun fella.

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Posted by truly on 04-04-2012 10:07 PM:

How about this one?

Like the Trayvon case, nothing about the 2005 shooting of Howard Morgan makes sense. Chicago police officers shot Morgan 28 times during an alleged traffic stop. However, it was Morgan who was charged with attempted murder, among other offenses.

But unlike the Trayvon case, Morgan’s wife and supporters have had a difficult time getting the media to pay attention to the case even though it involved a volatile mixture of cops and race.

Morgan is African-American. All of the police officers involved in the shooting are white.

21 of the 28 shots were in the back.

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Posted by truly on 04-04-2012 10:11 PM:

I do not even know if race is an issue in this case, but bring it up because there is bad reporting?, or maybe something I do not understand. The report says the officers were using AK47s. Wouldn't they be using ARs? or some other non Soviet assault weapon?

Robert Faulcon Jr., 48, was sentenced to 65 years in prison. Faulcon is the only officer tied to the second of the two fatal shootings on the bridge -- that of Ronald Madison, a 40-year-old mentally challenged man. Madison was felled by a shotgun blast to the back fired by Faulcon on the western side of the bridge.
Former Sgt. Kenneth Bowen, 38, was sentenced to 40 years in prison. Bowen sat in the front passenger seat as a Budget rental truck full of officers sped to the bridge on the morning of Sept. 4, 2005. Prosecutors said Bowen jumped out of the truck and sprayed an AK-47 at a concrete barrier where civilians were hiding. The jury also convicted him of stomping on Madison as he lay dying, though Engelhardt later threw out that conviction, citing a lack of physical evidence.

Former Sgt. Robert Gisevius Jr., 39, was sentenced to 40 years in prison. Gisevius was one of several officers who rode to the bridge in the back of the Budget truck. He opened fire with an M-4 rifle after jumping out the back of the truck, and later, with Bowen and the investigators, helped orchestrate a years-long cover-up to hide what actually happened on the bridge.

Anthony Villavaso II, 35, was sentenced to 38 years in prison. He, too, rode in the back of the Budget truck, and then jumped out and fired an AK-47 at unarmed civilians on the bridge. Nine casings matching that AK-47 were recovered by investigators.

Could that be right? AK47?

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Posted by Diggerman on 04-05-2012 05:49 AM:

stick a fork in it ,it's done.Quit trying to stir up sum hate Ben.If there was one iota of proof of wrong doing by Zimmerman,nbc,sharpton,jesse,a black panther or two, maybe even a pro(cop) would have had him arrested by now.It used to be a tragedy, now it is just sickening retoric. I think its time al, jesse,nbc and maybe even you ben, should grow a pair and apologize to mr. Zimmerman.

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Posted by Hey Preacher!!! on 04-05-2012 06:21 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
Ronald Madison, a 40-year-old mentally challenged man.

AS A SURVIVOR OF SPINA BIFIDA AND A FATHER OF A YOUNG LADY WITH DOWN SYNDROME, I COULDN'T HELP BUT THINK, "WHY WOULD ANYONE HARM A PERSON LIKE MR. MADISON"??? "WHO COULD BE SO BRUTAL AS TO MURDER THE MOST INNOCENT AMONG US"??? THEN I REMEMBER THE STATISTICS I READ THAT SAID ALMOST 90% OF WOMEN CHOOSE ABORTION WHEN THEY RECIEVE A DIAGNOSIS OF DOWN SYNDROME, SPINA BIFIDA, ETC. FOR THEIR BABY!!!
AS truly SAID, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE FROM THE STORY TO KNOW IF RACE WAS INVOLVED, HOWEVER, CONSIDERING MANY HANDICAPPED PEOPLE ARE KILLED DAILY FOR 'CONVENIENCE' THROUGH ABORTION, I WONDER IF MR. MADISON WAS NOT KILLED SIMPLY FOR 'CONVENIENCE'!!!

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