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agree with most of this

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Originally posted by perry co cooner
You're absolutely right but that isn't a good reason for a dog to not to earn an HTX before earning NTCH. The dog will still have tree the most coon on a level playing field competing against three other dogs; without making mistakes, covering on slicks and stay out of trouble and have to deal with all kinds of pressure in between. Wouldn't it be worth it just to not have to listen to people say "I hunted with such and such a number of GrNtCh that couldn't tree their own coon".

I can't think of any reason why it shouldn't be required but that's just my opinion. You're probably an honest handler that brings a dog that's plenty capable of winning fair and square when you go to a hunt as I'm sure the majority of people are BUT that doesn't mean everyone is like that.

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I think competition hunts and HTX Hunts are two different type events and should be kept that way. Our club has held several HTX hunts over the last few years and me and my Dad put the HTX certification on several dogs. I have seen that the competition titled dogs breezed thru the HTX process in 3 to 4 hunts while some of the dogs that were mainly owned by pleasure hunters struggled with the passes more. Some that struggled did end up with the HTX certification but it took them a few more hunts to pass 3 of them. I enjoyed hunting and inspecting the different hounds and wish there were more clubs holding them. Biggest problem I see with them is that some want a club to hold the hunts but they don't want to do their part to also go to a club and do their part by inspecting dogs.

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Originally posted by ov_blues
I think competition hunts and HTX Hunts are two different type events and should be kept that way.

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I understand not wanting to put the money out to see what a person can do for free, however, the HTX is on the dog's name for generations after the dog is gone and another person can't see it go tree coon on it's own. Other than the possibility that the HTX wasn't earned honestly, at least a person could see later that the PR dog, or the Champion dog, could in fact tree coon by itself. The HTX hunts also help out the clubs financially so spending the money to enter can be for enjoyment, proof, or just helping out the local club. Without the local club a lot of what UKC does with the registration of our dogs would't be worth our money either. We could keep our own records.

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I still havent heard anybody explain what gives them the right to make me hunt their event of choice before I can hunt the event I want to hunt? Sounds like Obama mentality to me.. SMDH

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Originally posted by Walker9615
I witness many from several different handlers that couldn't tree there own coon an one big money stud that occasionally maybe 20% of the time could. An the handlers knew that but were good enough to know a dog they could still win with. I'd say they don't wanna put a. World title on a hound that can't tree it's in but gr nitch an nitech titles it's ok.

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Originally posted by Jon Millwood
I still havent heard anybody explain what gives them the right to make me hunt their event of choice before I can hunt the event I want to hunt? Sounds like Obama mentality to me.. SMDH

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I'm sure there are titled dogs out there that can tree a coon by themselves. I did notice that some people wanted to wait until the leaves were on before entering the HTX hunts. I think some people just don't want someone else to see their dog make a mistake and that is why they don't enter them. To each their own is the way that I look at it.

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I chuckle at this obsession about titled dogs not being able to tree a coon. You guys go on and on about it but not one of you has one do yah? All of YOURS will tree one alone wont they? It's just every one else's that ain't worth a dam, right? Worry about your own fellas. There are about two guys on this board that have won the UKC World Hunt and neither of them is ever on here downing what everyone else is titleing. Probably because they are too busy taking care of their own business.

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Maybe UKC could kick around the idea that once a dog gets it's wind for ntch it has to prove to a judge that it can tree it's own coon (at no cost to the owner) and after it does that then the title is made official. Something like 3 tries to get it done just so it doesn't get penalized if it has to hunt on a "bad night".

I don't care either way to be honest but I get tired of hearing about champions that can't tree it's own coon. Whether that's true or not I don't know but I'd hope that EVERY ntch can easily tree it's own coon fairly consistently.

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Originally posted by perry co cooner
Speaking of Obama mentality..........a ntch that can't tree it's own coon is like not having to show ID to vote........it just ain't right.

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Originally posted by ov_blues
I understand not wanting to put the money out to see what a person can do for free, however, the HTX is on the dog's name for generations after the dog is gone and another person can't see it go tree coon on it's own.

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all the people that are saying htx before a title .. how come i dont see htx on any of your dogs name that have dogs in your signature.. i have an htx title on my grnite an it dont make him tree anymore coon then he did before i got it on him... yes i do like the htx hunts but im not gona make anybody do it... i do like the fact that in the world a dog advancing does have to tree his own coon by himself... if he cant then he or she does not deserve to b a world champion..

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i'm definitely not saying someone should be forced to HTX a dog. It can be used as a some sort of proof that a dog could tree coon alone, no more, no less. It should be the owners choose whether they put the HTX on them. For the ones saying HTX before a Night Champion title is awarded, what would you think if a Night Champion title would be required before the HTX could be awarded.

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What does it matter anyway?
If a winning dog does get his HTX , people are still going to be jealous and say he didn't earn it. That's the way people are.

People just want others to have that HTX for one reason only....
They want to use it as an excuse because they are too lazy to go hunt with the stud dog they're looking at.
But , at the same time , their own female doesn't have to have one to get bred. LOL

Look , The HTX was never meant to prove anything to anybody. All it was for was to give the folks who don't like to comp hunt an opportunity to put some sort of title on their dog , if THEY wanted to.


And , to the guys who want to " help " the clubs "bottom line" ......
There are a ton of things you can do to make money for the club , all it takes is a little thinking and a little ambition !

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Re: Htx Titles Should Have To Come First

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Originally posted by DROPTINE
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE UKC MAKE IT MANDATORY THAT BEFORE A DOG CAN BE TITLED SHOW OR NITE CHAMPION IT SHOULD HAVE TO PROVE FIRST THAT IT CAN TREE A REAL LIVE COON BY ITSELF LETS SEE HOW MANY CAN DO IT OR LETS COME OUT WITH A NEW MAGAZINE TITLED HTX STUDS BET IT WONT BE SO MANY TO CHOSE FROM LOL

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COMMUNISM IS WHAT FOLKS WANT, WHY NOT QUIT WORRYING ABOUT THE NITECH TITLE, AND MAKE THEM PASS A HTX BEFORE THEY CAN REGISTER A LITTER OUT OF THEM HAHAHAHA

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Originally posted by JiM
I chuckle at this obsession about titled dogs not being able to tree a coon. You guys go on and on about it but not one of you has one do yah? All of YOURS will tree one alone wont they? It's just every one else's that ain't worth a dam, right? Worry about your own fellas. There are about two guys on this board that have won the UKC World Hunt and neither of them is ever on here downing what everyone else is titleing. Probably because they are too busy taking care of their own business.

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Originally posted by MikeR
x2. Kind of reminds me of a story........

A buddy of mine was walking down main street and noticed a teenager sitting on a bench chain smoking cigarettes, one after another. My buddy approached the kid a said to him "don't you know smoking isn't good for you"?

The kid replied "my Grandfather lived to be 92 years old". My buddy asked "your Grandfather lived to be 92 years old smoking like that"? The kid replied "nope by minding his own business"

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I don't think a dog should have the htx title. I think if a handler wants to hunt there dogs in it that's fine, but I don't it should be mandatory to have it

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I actually took the time to read mostof the posts on this thread.... Same two sided of the coin for four pages.....

Here is the bottom line, like a lot of different things, I was an early adopter of the HTX hunt .

I took my UKC Grand Night Champ, who is also an AKC Supreme Grand, and a PKC Champion, and a UKC Show CH, and I added the HTX title to the back of his name. Took me 4 HTX tests to get the title, not because he faulted out of one hunt, but because we didn't tree any coon on one night. He struck one track, and the coon passed within 15 feet of us all setting on a log in the woods, he trailed that coon past us and ended up in a hole in the ground...the hour was up and he hadn't treed a coon.

Now this dog has proven that he can win in competition in no fewer than a dozen different states. On hot humid summer time hunts, to frozen full moon nights in mid winter. He has been in his share of final four casts in elimination type hunts, and made Grand Night champion as a young dog in 9 hunts.

Nobody has to take my word that he is "the right kind" and I don't have to prove it to anyone. I will be happy to show them one on one, by himself or in a group. He's 11 years old now, and lost a step, but he is still a coon dog on any night of the year, bring your boots and I'll show ya.

The bottom line is that I enjoyed the HTX tests, and I enjoyed going to the competition hunts and putting the titles on this dog....but don't go telling me what I HAVE to do in order to put a title on a dog.

The day I have to rely on some title to tell me what constitutes a good dog, or what makes good breeding stock, I QUIT.

Truly if folks would stop relying on competition wins and titles to tell them what kind of a dog they have, or what they should be breeding too we would all have better dogs. It doesn't take much thought to put together that the best way to win is to breed to the rulebook. Breed for dogs that will score the maximum according to whatever scoring system is in place at the time.

That is why we have babblers, that is why we have dogs that will go out and get struck early and bark every two minutes until another dog gets treed and bolt to them for second tree.....because they score more points.....

I prefer to do the thinking for myself, and not ask UKC or any other registry to alter rules to tell me what a good dog is......

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Oak Ridge, very well said.

Whether its comp. or HTX, its just another way to get out in the woods to enjoy a dog. If you are doing it to impress other folks, you will be disappointed.

I personally like the HTX because it gets back to what coonhunting is all about for me. Its a dog out there against the coon and I get to see the game from the front row seat. Its icing on the cake that UKC has figured out how to recognize coonhunting, in its basic form.

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I would much rather see a dog tree coon consistantly with three idiots runnin deer and treein opossums than just treein coon by itself

Since I am in the light business and sometime need to keep my mouth shut, all I have to do is wait and Joe Newlin will say it for me.

Good Job, Oak Ridge