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This MOH will hand a judge his ass if he tried such a stupid stunt after reading Todd's post. If the judge was unaware...he'd get an education and won't be stupid enough to do it twice!

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Originally posted by starplott
This MOH will hand a judge his ass if he tried such a stupid stunt after reading Todd's post. If the judge was unaware...he'd get an education and won't be stupid enough to do it twice!

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id about bet after todd an allen read this it probably will be in bloodline in near future.

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Originally posted by Glenn Wells
You think he might feel like he'd been pistol whupped, when the error of his ways get explained . Hopefully you will have a easier time making the point than has been shown on here .... guess it was because it wasn't on paper, guess could have said hit print and solved it all !

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Originally posted by JiM
I think it is fairly simple, if you allow your gun to be noticed, you are subject to being scratched. And if you are dumb enough to openly display, to deserve it.

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I'm surprised with all the talk about the advisor and rules that nobody pitched in about UKC's common sense theory...

Many times in the advisor common sense and rule interpretation is mentioned. Even states "There is no way for well-intentioned competitors to do without prior instruction from UKC"

"IT IS BASICALLY A MATTER OF KNOWING HOW UKC INTERPRETS THE SITUATION AND WHAT PRECEDENCE HAS ALREADY BEEN SET FOR DEALING WITH IT WHEN IT COMES UP"

This is one of those situations where it came up and UKC addressed the issue on how UKC interprets. Those who have been educated as to the way UKC interprets can't just go back and continue making their own interpretations. When they have been made aware of UKC interpretations, they HAVE been made aware.

The board, advisor, email are all ways of which UKC communicates interpretations of the rules.

Common sense of a reasonable and prudent person will tell you if it comes from Todd in any form, it sticks. Somebody whining about not being in rulebook or advisor isn't going to change UKC interpretation. Just because Todd sends an email to one person doesn't mean that UKC interpretation changes because somebody doesn't get the memo. It just means...somebody didn't get the memo...it does not change UKC's interpretations or give people grounds to continue on their own once they are made aware of UKC interpretations on the subject.

To continue to do your own thing despite getting the memo because it is not specifically in the advisor how UKC interprets a rule, is just that, doing your own thing and causing problems. That is what the advisor was for, an outlet of getting UKC interpretations out there. By no means the end all be all-which is clear if you READ the first advisor. UKC can't print every interpretation in the advisor and UKC, though they try, cannot guarantee rules are going to project what it is that UKC interprets to everybody. Somebody is always going to be confused.

I have never known Todd or anybody else to refuse to address an issue when questioned. Nor have I known anybody to change what was written to one pertaining to the same issue requesting clarification by another.

So common sense says if Todd quotes in any way...it is what is done. We also have the responsibility to bring to UKC attention if we do not understand or question. They are always more than happy to explain. What is explained, is UKC interpretation and is the way it is going to be. If UKC is unclear, they will decide and get back with clarity. It is that simple.

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you guys can not seem go grasp the whole concept of the little thing called rules. it plainly says ABSOLUTELY NO GUNS ALLOWED .... i have read todds reply several times , NOWHERE in his response does it state that if you have a concealed cary permit that you are allowed to carry during a hunt. it states ***United Kennel Club respects, defends and even encourages your right to lawful concealed carry. We have no restrictions towards lawful concealed carry**** where does it state that during a ukc sanctioned hunt if you have a ccp then you ar able to cary a gun to the woods.... and if state law TRUMPS ukc rules, then in the state of nc you can cary and kill coons from mid september untill the last day of march, so i guess we can start shooting the coons after we tree them, ... that is if state law trumps ukc rules, aint that right???????????

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Starplott, Isn't common sense and Coonhunter an oxymoron? LOL! At least most of my life I've been told running around all night chasing a bunch of barking dogs I can't have any common sense.

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Originally posted by copperheadcreek
you guys can not seem go grasp the whole concept of the little thing called rules. it plainly says ABSOLUTELY NO GUNS ALLOWED .... i have read todds reply several times , NOWHERE in his response does it state that if you have a concealed cary permit that you are allowed to carry during a hunt. it states ***United Kennel Club respects, defends and even encourages your right to lawful concealed carry. We have no restrictions towards lawful concealed carry**** where does it state that during a ukc sanctioned hunt if you have a ccp then you ar able to cary a gun to the woods.... and if state law TRUMPS ukc rules, then in the state of nc you can cary and kill coons from mid september untill the last day of march, so i guess we can start shooting the coons after we tree them, ... that is if state law trumps ukc rules, aint that right???????????

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Originally posted by copperheadcreek
you guys can not seem go grasp the whole concept of the little thing called rules. it plainly says ABSOLUTELY NO GUNS ALLOWED .... i have read todds reply several times , NOWHERE in his response does it state that if you have a concealed cary permit that you are allowed to carry during a hunt.

it states

***United Kennel Club respects, defends and even encourages your right to lawful concealed carry. We have no restrictions towards lawful concealed carry****

where does it state that during a ukc sanctioned hunt if you have a ccp then you ar able to cary a gun to the woods....
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I SEPERATED YOUR POST SO YOU CAN NOW REREAD IT AND ANSWER YOUR OWN ??

I DONT KNOW IF YOU ARE MENTALLY CHALLENGED OR JUST TRYING TO KEEP STIRING THE POT,,,
BUT YOUR ANSWER IS IN YOUR OWN POST ABOVE..

AND USEING COMMON SENCE WILL KEEP YOU FROM GETTING SUED WHEN YOU DONT LET SOMEONE HUNT WITH A LEGAL PERMIT AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOT DELIBERENTLY FLASHING THEIR GUN AROUND.....

I KNOW IF SOMEONE STOPS ME FROM HUNTING WHILE I'M LEGALLY CARRYING ,,I'M GOING OWN EVERYTHING THEY HAVE..OR WILL HAVE,,

..AS UKC SAID """LEGALLY CARRYING"""
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and if state law TRUMPS ukc rules, then in the state of nc you can cary and kill coons from mid september untill the last day of march, so i guess we can start shooting the coons after we tree them, ... that is if state law trumps ukc rules, aint that right???????????

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Originally posted by copperheadcreek
you guys can not seem go grasp the whole concept of the little thing called rules. it plainly says ABSOLUTELY NO GUNS ALLOWED .... i have read todds reply several times , NOWHERE in his response does it state that if you have a concealed cary permit that you are allowed to carry during a hunt. it states ***United Kennel Club respects, defends and even encourages your right to lawful concealed carry. We have no restrictions towards lawful concealed carry**** where does it state that during a ukc sanctioned hunt if you have a ccp then you ar able to cary a gun to the woods.... and if state law TRUMPS ukc rules, then in the state of nc you can cary and kill coons from mid september untill the last day of march, so i guess we can start shooting the coons after we tree them, ... that is if state law trumps ukc rules, aint that right???????????

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I've stayed out of this as long as I can. If you can carry a weapon concealed legally then I can carry one open legally. In North Carolina it is legal to carry in the open. Now you see where this is going? If business's and institutions can prohibit you from carrying weapons why can't UKC. If everybody on the cast is packing, then I'm not going. Refuse to see a mans coon and see what eventually happens. I don't care if you do have a concealed permit, I know too many people around here with them that are absolute idiots including one man that teaches concealed class.
I fully support the no guns policy and hope that UKC enforces it.
Jack Dobson

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Originally posted by josh
Any business or property owner can prohibit firearms on their premises.

But that dosent make it a law, If you are packing leagaly and enter a prohibited business they have the right to ask you to leave, if you dont they can call the cops and they ask you to leave....

just say'n....

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Don't ask, don't tell, don't worry about it! I don't understand what the big discussion is about, has there ever been a problem with someone legally carrying a concealed weapon in UKC or any other registry for that matter?

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Originally posted by yadkinriver
I've stayed out of this as long as I can. If you can carry a weapon concealed legally then I can carry one open legally. In North Carolina it is legal to carry in the open. Now you see where this is going? If business's and institutions can prohibit you from carrying weapons why can't UKC. If everybody on the cast is packing, then I'm not going. Refuse to see a mans coon and see what eventually happens. I don't care if you do have a concealed permit, I know too many people around here with them that are absolute idiots including one man that teaches concealed class.
I fully support the no guns policy and hope that UKC enforces it.
Jack Dobson

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Originally posted by yadkinriver
I've stayed out of this as long as I can. If you can carry a weapon concealed legally then I can carry one open legally. In North Carolina it is legal to carry in the open. Now you see where this is going? If business's and institutions can prohibit you from carrying weapons why can't UKC. If everybody on the cast is packing, then I'm not going. Refuse to see a mans coon and see what eventually happens. I don't care if you do have a concealed permit, I know too many people around here with them that are absolute idiots including one man that teaches concealed class.
I fully support the no guns policy and hope that UKC enforces it.
Jack Dobson

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Scared?

Wildbill, don't worry about me being scared. I'm too old to be scared. I just know what people are capable of and I like to think I have some common sense, what a lot of people are lacking these days.
If I'm not in the courthouse or a UKC event, thre's a mighty good chance that I'm packing, but it's not out of fear. For you to be so determined to pack a weapon on a cast, what are you scared of?
And John Dummer, I am a gun control nut. I've got good control of every weapon I own. I am a firm believer in the constitution and the right to bear arms. Again common sense has to come into play. If you think you should be able to carry one anywhere you want, then try to enter our courthouse with one and see if you make it through the metal detector. Then enjoy your visit to the crossbar hotel and tell all those badges about your rights.
I've said all I'm going to say so just have at it. You have already shown your lack of common sense and it's not hard to spot men whose wives won't let them win an argument.
Happy hunting and shoot straight.

Theres another thread runnin right now about all the stuff being stolen from the UKC. events. Id be willin to bet if those crooks saw about half those hunters were armed theyd be doin their shopping somewhere else.

Yadkin the only problem i have with your version of "common sense" is just who gets to decide when i have to sacrafice my rights. Your version says no carrying at UKC. events, someone else might decide with their version that no one needs to carry ever. See my point. THAT BY DEFINITION IS GUN CONTROL.

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ok i hear you john and wild bill about being firm believers in the constitution, but how firm of a believer are you? i am so firm of one that i served in the marine corps and was part of desert shield and desert storm, i fought for my constitutional rights... DID YOU? and john you want to say "Yadkin the only problem i have with your version of "common sense" is just who gets to decide when i have to sacrafice my rights to" well what the heck do you think the people in washington dc are doing right now. you are exactly rigtht, sometimes i do get scared at the hunts, but it is because there are idiots like you and wild bill who they have a god given right to carry a gun everywhere you go, and you dont know who is carrying and who is not. i coule come to any of the hunts in the country and have a chance to draw any person who hunts, and that is what concerns me about this whole post. if most people take thier dogs and the hunts as serious as i do, then everyone should be scared if ukc allows people to carry concealed or open. because there are people in this country that have thier ccp and are not exactly mentally capable to understand that a hunt is a hunt and if you get angry or upset in the woods then you let it go, but there are some people who would take it to the next level and put others fate into thier own hands.
i again am for the second amendment and EVERYONES right to bear arms and i support and defend that right, but i also understand that if you enjoy coonhunting for the sport and the fellowship then there is no reason what so ever that you or anyone should need to cary a weapon of any kind to a hunt. and if everyone follows that rule then the fact of the matter is there will be no guns to worry about.


now as far as CWT'S post
"Well the law being pushed would say if soemthing happens to me on the way to work and I dont have my weapon cause of my work rules they are responsible for any damage to me or my property cause I was unprotected because of THEIR rule. So if at a UKC hunt in the woods off of club property and On private or even state property and something goes wrong or happens and I am not carrying because of a rule UKC has."
well that has got to be the most absurd and stupid thing i have ever heard in my life, does that mean that if you leave the house and forget your gun, and on the way to the store you get robbed, then the mortgage company at your house is responsible for the loss. or if you have to go to court because yougot a speeding ticket and you were fighting it because were going 59 in a 55 and because you CAN NOT carry into the court house you leave your gun in the truck, and some madman makes it into the court room with a ak-47 and shoots you in the leg then you are going to sue the government becayse they wouldnt let you carry into the court house, does that mean you have a good law suit, I THINK NOT..... mike

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Well that was interesting reading, CHC says he's for 2nd Amendment Rights, but only where he thinks, even though it has been put up what the UKC policy is on conceal carry. Reading through his post a person can get an idea why, he gets SERIOUS about competetion, and don't think any weapons should be carried ! So guess boys y'all need to check those chain leashes, inkpens or pencils at the door, and grab you a black color crayon to fill out that scorecard. Must of been person of a like mind that made Okie leave his knife in the truck . Now if we can find trees made out of NERF materials we'll be able to cast those old dogs ... as those woods are full of weapons, worth thinking about before taking a hunt too dang serious !

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Originally posted by Glenn Wells
Well that was interesting reading, CHC says he's for 2nd Amendment Rights, but only where he thinks, even though it has been put up what the UKC policy is on conceal carry. Reading through his post a person can get an idea why, he gets SERIOUS about competetion, and don't think any weapons should be carried ! So guess boys y'all need to check those chain leashes, inkpens or pencils at the door, and grab you a black color crayon to fill out that scorecard. Must of been person of a like mind that made Okie leave his knife in the truck . Now if we can find trees made out of NERF materials we'll be able to cast those old dogs ... as those woods are full of weapons, worth thinking about before taking a hunt too dang serious !

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I'd be more afraid of a pencil on a hunt if I were in such shoes. That could cause one hell of a mess...especially if he scratches a guy for conceal carry w permit. LOL

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you are exactly rigtht, sometimes i do get scared at the hunts, but it is because there are idiots like you and wild bill who they have a god given right to carry a gun everywhere you go, and you dont know who is carrying and who is not. i coule come to any of the hunts in the country and have a chance to draw any person who hunts, and that is what concerns me about this whole post.



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but i also understand that if you enjoy coonhunting for the sport and the fellowship then there is no reason what so ever that you or anyone should need to cary a weapon of any kind to a hunt. and if everyone follows that rule then the fact of the matter is there will be no guns to worry about.


now as far as CWT'S post
does that mean you have a good law suit, I THINK NOT..... mike [/B]

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Originally posted by starplott
I'd be more afraid of a pencil on a hunt if I were in such shoes. That could cause one hell of a mess...especially if he scratches a guy for conceal carry w permit. LOL

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