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Lipper and rattler complimented each other I hunted with both. Rattler was louder and more impressive on the tree lipper was faster on the track but not a whole lot. You had a bunch of lipper dogs that hooo lollied all over the country all night long rattler put the brakes on them.



The best exzample I know of was the grntch Ned dog I owned he was out of nailor and rattlen Rita she was off rattler.



I don’t guess we will see those numbers unless I put them on here lol.


Tar

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Lipper and rattler complimented each other I hunted with both. Rattler was louder and more impressive on the tree lipper was faster on the track but not a whole lot. You had a bunch of lipper dogs that hooo lollied all over the country all night long rattler put the brakes on them.



The best exzample I know of was the grntch Ned dog I owned he was out of nailor and rattlen Rita she was off rattler.



I don’t guess we will see those numbers unless I put them on here lol.


Tar

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Originally posted by JesseJ
I've read this several times,so Ned was out of half brother/ sister mating? JesseJ

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Dave I gave an example on anouther thread of what a dogs Reproduction record per amount Of pups should look like ( if ) he is any kind of reproducer. I would just for history purposes like to see BC his Sire and grandsires reproduction performance ( current ) numbers. Then if I owe an appoligy I as always will give it on here.





Robert hitt

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Ohio Valley Bluetick Kennel

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---------GR.NT.Ch. Double Springs Echo
------GR.NT.CH. Double Springs Echo II( HSB at UKC World hunt)
---------Caney Creek's Blue Amy
---GR.NT.CH. Double Springs Bodacious(HSB UKC world 2007
---------GR. NT. CH. GR. CH. Razor Ridge Pop A Top
------GR.NT.Ch. GR. CH. Razor Ridge Pop A Dot
---------GR.NT.CH. GR.CH.Frog Creek Chirper
CH GR.NT.CH. Goodson's Rowdy Bochephus
---------CH.GR.NT.CH.Slife’s Blue Rambo
------GR.NT.CH.GR.CH. Smiley’s Blue Rambo II
---------CH.GR.NT.CH. Smiley’s Misti Blue
---GR.NT.CH.CH. Davis’s White River Salin Sadie (HSB Female 2006&7)
---------NT.CH. Smokey River JBS Cheif
------GR.NT.CH.Davis’s White River Sugar(HSBF UKC world hunt 1999)
---------NT.CH.Nixons Wolf CR Pebbles

Bocephus 22 Nt Ch's, 15 Gr Nt's, total of 37 out of 408 Produced for a percentage of 9.07 as of April 29,2020 Top Currrent Reproducers list.

As of September 2018 when I got some UKC papers back:

----------Echo II 7.5%
-----Bodacious 9.06%
----------Dot 8.1%
Bochephus 9.07%
----------Rambo II 12.1%
-----Sadie 29%
----------Sugar 35.7%

You can look at Bodacious if you want but look at the bottom side, Sadie, Rambo II, and Sugar. Then study the bottom side of Big Country's pedigree and see how it was line bred on the cross that produced Rambo II. Big Country was bred to be a winner and also produce winners. The cross that the original poster had the pedigree of isn't really line breeding on Big Country, it's line breeding on the stuff that produced Big Country. Things like that will work until it won't work anymore and then it needs new blood infused, but it is still working and producing some of the top blue dogs so if it isn't broke don't fix it.

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John Smith

Thank you Sir. for taking the time to post this information. While I personally do not judge solely on Night Hunt results, it does show that they can compete and win against all breeds. I suspect a lot of the pups produced by these dogs went to pleasure hunters and were never put in competition hunt, just like any line of dogs not all pups are competition hunted. Those percentages look impressive for any breed , you are correct indeed by saying BC was bred to be a winner and a producer, just like the other dogs in that pedigree. I hunted a TOP Bluetick in my younger days that made good dogs look bad, he won more night hunts with high scoring dog of the hunt than any dog I know. He was a TOP competition and a top hide producer. I would sure like to own another one as good as he was. Dave

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

That is just the top side of Big Country's pedigree. The bottom side is just as loaded with winners, both in UKC and PKC. The neat thing on the cross that produced Big Country is the way that they lined the genetics up from the sire and dam. It really wasn't line bred on a particular dog but they used top dogs that came from similar genetics and top crosses, as in siblings from top crosses. If you study it out it combined Rambo II and Smokey River blood that were bred with old Uchtman dogs back in them. Not giving all the credit to the Uchtman blood but when it was infused in other "lines" as in by other people besides the Uchtmans the dogs were winners when things lined up. Then those top dogs were used to bring us to the present dog that is being noticed, Big Country. The Uncle/niece cross originally posted could produce the next Big Country. It could also produce average. One thing I've noticed over the years of breeding is that eventually continual line breeding will breed back to the normal or average and the "freaks" just don't seem to pop out without making an outcross or breeding to something of similar blood but more distant to get back to the roots thru a different branch.

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Ohio Valley Bluetick Kennel

John Smith

John, I think some of the X Crosses BC X Top walker females will produce some "freaks" we are all looking for. Reminds me of my younger days when coon hunters crossed coon dogs regardless of breed. I have seen some really good dogs Bluetick x Walkers in my days, even some nice Bluetick x Redbone crosses. UKC X Breed program gives the crossbreeds an opportunity to competition hunt, something we did not have back in the day. Dave

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

Dave I completely agree. I also think some X bred crosses will improve the health of some lines of hounds. I am seriously considering crossing onto an English bluetick if I ever get the right kind of bluetick female again. Might happen if I can get motivated to hunt hard again or maybe it’s the other way around and I haven’t found the right one to motivate me to hunt her hard. Lol. Once you have hunted above average hounds it’s hard to hunt average and the more above average hounds you’ve hunted the criteria for what you consider above average increases making it harder and harder to be satisfied with a hound.

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Ohio Valley Bluetick Kennel

Just to throw my .02 cents in. Big Country is nice. Real nice. There’s no denying that. But the real hype surrounding him is that he’s that nice AND a bluetick. If he was colored like a walker dog, he would just be another really nice walker dog. Hype wouldn’t be near what it is.

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Tyler Ringo

Nitech Ch 'PR' Cornell's Hardwood Hurricane HTX

GrSqch 2017 Arklahoma Winter Classic Champion
The Outlaw Dottie

Tyler

You may just be right, but it does not really matter that BC is getting all this attention just because he is a Bluetick, bottom line he is a COON DOG and deserves the attention. We hunters sometimes get fixed on a certain breed as being the only coon dogs, when the TRUTH is there are some TOP COON DOGS in several breeds. I love a TOP coon dog regardless of breed and I am seeing some really good Blue dogs and English dogs winning some big hunts in recent years and placing high in others. That tells me we are making progress with other breeds and that the Walker dogs are not dominating the hunts like they used to do. Competition is good it makes you work harder to achieve being the top dog or breed. It's good for the sport and it's good for the breeds. I hope the XBreeds become a factor in the competition world, they have done well in the hide hunters hands. Breed jealously has been a handicap to the coon hunting community, it's way over due to put all this jealousness to rest and focus on producing the best coon dogs possible. Dave

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Originally posted by Ringo08
Just to throw my .02 cents in. Big Country is nice. Real nice. There’s no denying that. But the real hype surrounding him is that he’s that nice AND a bluetick. If he was colored like a walker dog, he would just be another really nice walker dog. Hype wouldn’t be near what it is.

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Ohio Valley Bluetick Kennel

John Smith

You got that right, folks would be standing in line if he was a Walker Dog, and plenty will breed to him regardless of color. He was not purchased as a Stud dog, he was purchased as a Coon dog and that he is. I am getting old and may never see the day, but I hope that one day We all can give credit to a COON DOG regardless of breed, stop stereotyping all dogs of a certain breed and work together to produce exceptional coon dogs. Dave

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
You may just be right, but it does not really matter that BC is getting all this attention just because he is a Bluetick, bottom line he is a COON DOG and deserves the attention. We hunters sometimes get fixed on a certain breed as being the only coon dogs, when the TRUTH is there are some TOP COON DOGS in several breeds. I love a TOP coon dog regardless of breed and I am seeing some really good Blue dogs and English dogs winning some big hunts in recent years and placing high in others. That tells me we are making progress with other breeds and that the Walker dogs are not dominating the hunts like they used to do. Competition is good it makes you work harder to achieve being the top dog or breed. It's good for the sport and it's good for the breeds. I hope the XBreeds become a factor in the competition world, they have done well in the hide hunters hands. Breed jealously has been a handicap to the coon hunting community, it's way over due to put all this jealousness to rest and focus on producing the best coon dogs possible. Dave

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Nitech Ch 'PR' Cornell's Hardwood Hurricane HTX

GrSqch 2017 Arklahoma Winter Classic Champion
The Outlaw Dottie

Tyler

I agree, it is not as common in other breeds as the Walker Breed. I think the other breeds are improving and it's showing, the Walkers are not as dominant as they used to be. Contentment can be the downfall of any breed, it's when you are not content and are constantly wanting better that gets you better dogs. Dave

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Man yall way ahead and way smarter then me.Hell all this hurts my head.I don't know how hes gonna reproduce in the long run but I do know ive looked at 6 that I cant buy for 20k.Im not saying they are worth that either but after hunting with them and seeing them tree coon after coon after coon then I was a willing buyer(or me and Ashley were per say)I have read this entire post and a few things I agree with and others I sit back and laugh at.He did have one get in the sstakes this year and that was country boy I don't know of any others that were entered,boy got a real bad break and it beat him on Friday but that's how its rolls,He did have one in the final three of the fall sstakes that was country club.He is a pretty **** good tree dog and he don't tree loosely off the tree I don't know where the heck that came from he plants himself on one side and pretty much stays there he does bawl and chop according to the weather I personally like him bawling more then chopping because its a deep rumble and sounds good to me and yes I have owned some of the best tree dogs ever lived as a matter of fact the TEN female we own now is as good as Ive ever heard but I still love BC s big Bawl.He don't leave trees although he left one at the chkc world I don't know why I wasn't hunting him then again scorecard can look a lot different then reality.I can PROMISE you one thing if he left trees with me I wouldn't spend my hard earned money on 2500,4000,and 6500 dollar entry fees Id be packing something that didn't.I been doing this since I was 9 yrs old and have seen good ones and bads ones but at this point in my life I typically don't pay big entry fees on bad or common ones.I know for a fact hes already reproduced a few because ive seen em.Go up and take the VERY best you own regardless of color and hunt with steve burkholder and that female hes packing off of him,He will hurt your feelings or he did mine at least .John

John Strickland

Loved your post, you told it like it is, no BS or sugar coating anything. Jealously is a cancer it eats at folks and blinds some as to what is what. Folks that actually know you and what you hunt, respect WHAT you have to say about any dog. I can only speak for myself, but if I was younger I would be hunting a dog out of BC, either full Bluetick or a Walker X breed. I think time will prove that he do his part when bred to the right females, it already has. Good luck to you and BC, not that he needs any luck, a coon dog does not rely on luck. Dave

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Originally posted by DOGSSTRICK
Man yall way ahead and way smarter then me.Hell all this hurts my head.I don't know how hes gonna reproduce in the long run but I do know ive looked at 6 that I cant buy for 20k.Im not saying they are worth that either but after hunting with them and seeing them tree coon after coon after coon then I was a willing buyer(or me and Ashley were per say)I have read this entire post and a few things I agree with and others I sit back and laugh at.He did have one get in the sstakes this year and that was country boy I don't know of any others that were entered,boy got a real bad break and it beat him on Friday but that's how its rolls,He did have one in the final three of the fall sstakes that was country club.He is a pretty **** good tree dog and he don't tree loosely off the tree I don't know where the heck that came from he plants himself on one side and pretty much stays there he does bawl and chop according to the weather I personally like him bawling more then chopping because its a deep rumble and sounds good to me and yes I have owned some of the best tree dogs ever lived as a matter of fact the TEN female we own now is as good as Ive ever heard but I still love BC s big Bawl.He don't leave trees although he left one at the chkc world I don't know why I wasn't hunting him then again scorecard can look a lot different then reality.I can PROMISE you one thing if he left trees with me I wouldn't spend my hard earned money on 2500,4000,and 6500 dollar entry fees Id be packing something that didn't.I been doing this since I was 9 yrs old and have seen good ones and bads ones but at this point in my life I typically don't pay big entry fees on bad or common ones.I know for a fact hes already reproduced a few because ive seen em.Go up and take the VERY best you own regardless of color and hunt with steve burkholder and that female hes packing off of him,He will hurt your feelings or he did mine at least .John

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This should put an end to this thread.

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Training dogs is not so much about quantity, it's more about timing, and the right situations...After that it's up to the dog....A hunting dog is born...

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This should put an end to this thread.

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BIG COUNTRY

Does anyone really think BC was bought just to be a Stud Dog? Lol. Do you think those big entry fees that Johns paying to hunt him is all about a Stud Dog? Now he may turn out to be a prominent Stud Dog, but he was bought to competition hunt and pleasure hunt and he was a bargain. Dave

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