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Posted by ROBERT HAYES on 12-20-2019 04:54 PM:

Hunting Speed

I have no doubt some dogs can run 25-30 mph but if they are they are not hunting.

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Posted by Team Mafia 2 on 12-20-2019 05:28 PM:

I wish that everyone could hunt with a freak like we are talking about here. The reason that a lot of you don’t believe in a dog like this is because they are EXTREMELY RARE. Dogs that consistently average in the teens that is looking to get a coon treed as soon as it’s unsnapped can be unbeatable at times. You will only beat them if they make a mistake. There are a bunch of dogs that leave like there tail is on fire and don’t look to get treed for a mile but what we are talking about is dogs that will get treed at 10 feet as well. Until you hunt with one I don’t expect you to be able to wrap your mind around it. I’ve seen 3 dogs like I’ve described 2 of them were out of the first one. I’ve gotten to the point that I reset my Garmin before I turn them loose EVERY TIME because I want to know how fast they are covering ground and how they are covering it. I really like to see 10+ mph and big huge swings on the dog tracks all the time if they can’t do that they won’t live here I don’t care how many coon they tree because sooner or later they will have to beat the freak of nature and I don’t want to rely on them making mistakes so I can beat them.

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Posted by Adam Wingler on 12-20-2019 05:43 PM:

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Originally posted by Team Mafia 2
I wish that everyone could hunt with a freak like we are talking about here. The reason that a lot of you don’t believe in a dog like this is because they are EXTREMELY RARE. Dogs that consistently average in the teens that is looking to get a coon treed as soon as it’s unsnapped can be unbeatable at times. You will only beat them if they make a mistake. There are a bunch of dogs that leave like there tail is on fire and don’t look to get treed for a mile but what we are talking about is dogs that will get treed at 10 feet as well. Until you hunt with one I don’t expect you to be able to wrap your mind around it. I’ve seen 3 dogs like I’ve described 2 of them were out of the first one. I’ve gotten to the point that I reset my Garmin before I turn them loose EVERY TIME because I want to know how fast they are covering ground and how they are covering it. I really like to see 10+ mph and big huge swings on the dog tracks all the time if they can’t do that they won’t live here I don’t care how many coon they tree because sooner or later they will have to beat the freak of nature and I don’t want to rely on them making mistakes so I can beat them.

I've had but a couple, seen but a couple more. And, while they are rare as hens teeth, seeing it being bred with ANY type of consistency (heck even just 1) is ever more rare, so to say you've had 2 out of 1 as you've described is doing something. And I would line up to try one IF a man/woman actually believed I even had a 50% chance said pup would be that way. I can't find it, haven't seen it and almost don't think it can be done. And that's not to say I doubt you, it's to say if you feel that could be out there in a litter, LET ME KNOW.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 12-20-2019 06:15 PM:

Is this thread about extremely rare, hens teeth, freaks of nature dogs that only 2 or 3 people have ever seen or are we talking about everyday coon dogs?

Posted by novicane65 on 12-20-2019 07:13 PM:

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Is this thread about extremely rare, hens teeth, freaks of nature dogs that only 2 or 3 people have ever seen or are we talking about everyday coon dogs?

OH MY GOODNESS........ The question was how fast can a dog hunt. Was it not? There are dogs that can do exactly what Jen, Dalton and I are saying. But you and several others are trying to tell us that they don't exist and we're making it up. I'm with Dalton and don't expect any of you to try and wrap your head around it. And dogs that hunt in the 7 mph aren't hard to find. But I wouldn't assume a dog can't hunt above 4 mph because what I'm leading won't or can't hunt at 7 mph.

I try and hunt dogs that I'm happy with. If I can walk faster than they hunt it just doesn't cut it for me.

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Posted by Adam Wingler on 12-20-2019 07:13 PM:

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Is this thread about extremely rare, hens teeth, freaks of nature dogs that only 2 or 3 people have ever seen or are we talking about everyday coon dogs?

I'd say that's a blurred line for many...if they've never seen such a dog and/or their idea of fast is like many folks' idea of accurate.

Posted by Preacher Tom on 12-20-2019 08:03 PM:

One thought this has brought to me is how close to a track does a dog need to be to know the track is there. I know on a good track they can sometimes be several yards away but I'm talking about a working track. If my dog goes thru the timber and is 100 ft away from a cold/working track I don't think he will know it's there. I really don't know how throughly a dog needs to work the timber. I just know one with what I call coon sense will find a coon track faster than the rest. Whether he outruns them to it or is just smarter about where to look I'm not sure. And by the way the dog I hunt now is a nice dog but does not have what I call real coon sense about where to find a coon.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 12-20-2019 08:28 PM:

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Originally posted by novicane65
OH MY GOODNESS........ The question was how fast can a dog hunt. Was it not? There are dogs that can do exactly what Jen, Dalton and I are saying....

I think that the question was how fast can a dog hunt "proficiently". And I never said that double digit dogs don't exist. My lowly opinion is that a dog that fast surely can't be that proficient. Now there may be one or two "freaks of nature" but they aren't "dogs in general".

Posted by Richard Lambert on 12-20-2019 08:28 PM:

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Originally posted by novicane65
OH MY GOODNESS........ The question was how fast can a dog hunt. Was it not? There are dogs that can do exactly what Jen, Dalton and I are saying....

Posted by Dave Richards on 12-20-2019 08:50 PM:

Mr. Lambert

I am with you on this position, it's makes no difference how fast a dog hunts if they are not hunting efficiently. There is a point when speed undermines a dogs ability to find the coon tracks that are available in the hunting ground you are hunting. I don't care if that fast dog strikes a coon 50 foot or a mile deep I do care when they hunt to fast to strike the tracks they missed while racing around the woods. I have seen way to many times from my own dogs that were hunting faster than their nose could handle and miss coon tracks that another dog struck and treed behind them and real close to where they had been. I don't care what anyone else hunts, that's fine with me, but I hate it when my dogs pass a coon track without striking that track only to have another dog strike and tree that coon. Dave

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Posted by shadinc on 12-20-2019 09:04 PM:

Dave, plenty dogs might pass up a coon track when they're in a race with another dog upon first being released. I think sometimes they can smell it and not quit racing. What Dalton's talking about is a dog that only has COON on his mind and doesn't care what anything is doing. It's hard to envision something we've never seen.

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Posted by Dave Richards on 12-20-2019 09:51 PM:

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I have owned several dogs that had one thing on their mind and that was a coon, they were indifferent to what the other dogs were doing. I never paid any attention to things like how fast they hunted, but they hunted on a run, knew where to strike a coon and were very accurate when they treed. They were both pleasure hunting dogs and top competition dogs. Dsve

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Posted by Redneck Mafia on 12-20-2019 10:00 PM:

Curious question? The Trax dog you mentioned who's dog was he?

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Posted by novicane65 on 12-20-2019 10:07 PM:

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Curious question? The Trax dog you mentioned who's dog was he?

Stefan Lab's Trax dog. Saw him a few times and he looked right, treed 13 singles 1 night.

Posted by shadinc on 12-20-2019 11:21 PM:

Re: Donald Bergeron

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
I have owned several dogs that had one thing on their mind and that was a coon, they were indifferent to what the other dogs were doing. I never paid any attention to things like how fast they hunted, but they hunted on a run, knew where to strike a coon and were very accurate when they treed. They were both pleasure hunting dogs and top competition dogs. Dsve

You obviously never saw one like Dalton's talking about.

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Posted by Dave Richards on 12-20-2019 11:45 PM:

Donald Bergeron

Opinions differ, I never looked at the speed as being a determining factor on why the dog was a top performer. I am sure that speed is only a part of why any top dog is a top coon hound. Speed is just one if many things that go into a dog being a top coon hound. I judge a dog on how good it is at treeing coons, and that takes more than speed. I have hunted for over 50 years and never bought or sold a dog based on the dogs speed, never asked how fast the dog hunted, and never had any one ask me how fast does the dog hunts. Determining how good s dog is based on speed is impossable, it takes a lot of things to make a top coon dog and speed at best is just one of these. Dave

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Posted by yadkintar on 12-21-2019 01:15 AM:

I want a dogs hunting speed before struck to be slower than it is after it’s struck.

Tar

Posted by Dave Richards on 12-21-2019 01:37 AM:

Tar

Now that's what I am talking about, strike and then drive that track. Find a track by actually hunting one, using their brain, nose and experience to strike coons, then worry about speed. Dave

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Posted by Preacher Tom on 12-21-2019 02:58 AM:

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Originally posted by yadkintar
I want a dogs hunting speed before struck to be slower than it is after it’s struck.

Tar

Tar I agree with that but truth be told my dog strikes some tracks that make him slow down. I love them tracks that he really makes move but the truth is he can't do it with all of them. By the way I've always thought one of his faults was that he didn't hustle enough. Never looked at how fast he went till tonight. 6.7 MPH until he struck and this was thru a pretty grown up bottom. I can certainly see a dog avg 10 or above and I think in the past I had several. Just didn't think they covered that much ground. Didn't have a garmin back then.

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Posted by Sonny Phipps on 12-21-2019 04:37 AM:

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Originally posted by novicane65
Stefan Lab's Trax dog. Saw him a few times and he looked right, treed 13 singles 1 night.

Trax is off muscleman, I have a female off muscleman and a littermate sister to the Willy dog, she moves around at 12-15 mph and is everywhere. My male dog is out of lone pine trackgirl who is a littermate to muscleman and his sire is tree slamming Frankie, he move just as fast or faster. Funny how it keeps showing up , just like in the Cummings dogs..... maybe, just maybe it can be bred for 😎.

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Posted by Dogwhisper on 12-21-2019 05:45 PM:

Hunting speed hmmmmmm....
A fast hunting trax dog ought ta be catching coons on the ground consistently......
If not then ur deceiveing urself about, how fast a trax dog one has........

Posted by Redneck Mafia on 12-21-2019 09:37 PM:

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Originally posted by Dogwhisper
Hunting speed hmmmmmm....
A fast hunting trax dog ought ta be catching coons on the ground consistently......
If not then ur deceiveing urself about, how fast a trax dog one has........

Most fast ones do but it also depends on terrain and whether it is coon that is down and they are running it or if they are running tracks of coons in trees. Ours catch quite a few kill them and then go on looking for another.

Posted by Dogwhisper on 12-21-2019 09:57 PM:

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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
Most fast ones do but it also depends on terrain and whether it is coon that is down and they are running it or if they are running tracks of coons in trees. Ours catch quite a few kill them and then go on looking for another.

Yuuuup , my "rebel" male caught one last nite on the ground in the middle of clean timber,
then he pushed one that crossed in front of me last nite .. he was moving fast....
.I kiked him into a dog that had a 1min. lead on him.... he drops in their and takes that trax away from that dog .... When the coon crossed in front of me he was 30 sec behind that coon......

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