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Posted by joey on 03-13-2018 11:01 PM:

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Originally posted by novicane65
I think you're looking at it backwards. Why would the GrNtCh show up to hunt against the ntch? .

They show up for a chance to go hunt for 100k. What if ukc made it so their title was reached by a set number of cast wins? That way your only hunting against the dogs you draw.

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Posted by yadkintar on 03-13-2018 11:38 PM:

Now that I have thought on it awhile we are probly getting all worked up over nothing ............ Again lol.

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Posted by pamjohnson on 03-14-2018 12:37 AM:

yes

you should only have to beat the dogs in your cast. so discouraging to get back to the club house and find out you and your dog didn't come back with enough points. why ??
did ya ever draw someone in a nt ch cast that is slow on there feet and know right away the other nt ch cast has a big advantage? that's not how it's supposed to be but the way the hunts are set up it is a fact.

i know people that will only take there dogs to nt ch for this very reason. i'm sure others know some to.

why discourage hunters this way? some will say cheapens titles but i don't believe that at all. they won there cast with plus pts they earned there win.

Posted by nitehunter2004 on 03-14-2018 12:43 AM:

When people that don’t/won’t pay there pups or dogs up in UKC Performance program and then get on here and try to convince people/me that it don’t or won’t payoff but if we all pay in to there program or ideas we can save all the local clubs well.
I’m taping out, just tell me where to sign up.

Posted by yadkintar on 03-14-2018 12:43 AM:

Re: yes

quote:
Originally posted by pamjohnson
you should only have to beat the dogs in your cast. so discouraging to get back to the club house and find out you and your dog didn't come back with enough points. why ??
did ya ever draw someone in a nt ch cast that is slow on there feet and know right away the other nt ch cast has a big advantage? that's not how it's supposed to be but the way the hunts are set up it is a fact.

i know people that will only take there dogs to nt ch for this very reason. i'm sure others know some to.

why discourage hunters this way? some will say cheapens titles but i don't believe that at all. they won there cast with plus pts they earned there win.

You mean we got to be able to jogg non stop for two hours to hunt ? I can't run across the street without looking like a crippled duck lol.

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Posted by novicane65 on 03-14-2018 12:53 AM:

Re: Re: yes

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Originally posted by yadkintar
You mean we got to be able to jogg non stop for two hours to hunt ? I can't run across the street without looking like a crippled duck lol.

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I don't think that's what Pam was saying at all. I've hunted in PKC cast where guys would walk real fast to their dog but would drag their feet walking to yours. I'm 100% positive it happens in ukc too. But if you can't keep a reasonable pace with the cast then you probably shouldn't be at a hunt.

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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 03-14-2018 01:33 AM:

both sides could rage on this debate forever. Just go hunting with a dog a few nights and see if you like em.

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Posted by joey on 03-14-2018 01:37 AM:

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Originally posted by nitehunter2004
When people that don’t/won’t pay there pups or dogs up in UKC Performance program and then get on here and try to convince people/me that it don’t or won’t payoff but if we all pay in to there program or ideas we can save all the local clubs well.
I’m taping out, just tell me where to sign up.

Thats not what I'm saying at all, I always pay mine up. Wood was not a performance pup. I just wanted to point out that this would be a stand alone format. Not relying on any other program.

The Performance program is a monster of its own. Right not its like social security, more people are pulling out of it than whats being put in. There is a laundry list of reasons why. The biggest I think is because you hunt a dog and finish it to grand. Then you wait forever to be paid. The hunt numbers per hunt are down so you finish the dog and still only have a couple of points. You get a check for a couple hundred almost a year later and it just is not holding peoples interest.

Posted by JiM on 03-14-2018 03:31 AM:

Micheal, have you ever tried to count up all the sires paid up for the program? I started to just to make a point but gave up before I got half way through. Hundreds of them. If you listed every dog paid up for the program, you'd need a book bigger than the entire Bloodlines mag. Tons of money going in, an awful lot getting paid out. Just as it should be. This ain't PKC.

My biggest complaint about the PRP is, and has always been, that it doesn't pay points at events that hunt all dogs together. Since anymore about all we hit in UKC is Slams, the RQE's, hopefully the World, put a kid in the Youth Hunts, none of them pay points. But I wouldn't expect them to make the program for one person's views so we pay up everything and take what we get.

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Posted by Charles Pullen on 03-14-2018 06:07 PM:

If and I say If the HTX is done honestly it would not benefit to put this title on a hound before putting it in a nite hunt . Looking at the percentage of passing would be a big lost in the choice of studs .

I've been doing this way to long now , about 1/2 the dogs wether it be pleasure hunter , Nitech or Grnitech " won't " hunt by itself .

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Posted by Bruce m. Conkey on 03-14-2018 07:48 PM:

Charles can you help me understand why it is that way. You say a lot of dogs won't hunt by themselves. I am not doubting you. I am questions the logic of coon hunters. Maybe one can explain it to me.

If I have a coon hound that won't hunt. I look at it as:

Having a boat that won't float.
A car that won't start.
A bowling ball that won't roll.
A fishing rod with no eyes on it for the line.
A computer without wifi.
A pool without water.

Am, I looking at this all wrong?

Is a hound that won't hunt kept around just because it can be.

I I have a dog here in the backyard and it is grown and not a puppy. It will go hunting. Can't imagine having one that won't hunt. Well I can, just not having it for long.

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Posted by joey on 03-14-2018 08:00 PM:

Re: .

quote:
Originally posted by Bruce m. Conkey
Charles can you help me understand why it is that way. You say a lot of dogs won't hunt by themselves. I am not doubting you. I am questions the logic of coon hunters. Maybe one can explain it to me.

If I have a coon hound that won't hunt. I look at it as:

Having a boat that won't float.
A car that won't start.
A bowling ball that won't roll.
A fishing rod with no eyes on it for the line.
A computer without wifi.
A pool without water.

Am, I looking at this all wrong?

Is a hound that won't hunt kept around just because it can be.

I I have a dog here in the backyard and it is grown and not a puppy. It will go hunting. Can't imagine having one that won't hunt. Well I can, just not having it for long.

Me or you will never understand it but a lot of people never hunt alone. Nor is their dog ever hunted alone and they are fine with that. They are out there to have a good time and hunting one dog or hunting alone is not their idea of fun. So some of those dogs will not hunt alone.

Posted by shadinc on 03-14-2018 09:03 PM:

I judged a Nite Ch. on an HTX a few month ago. He never got more than 50 feet from us. His owner likes him.

Posted by Dogwhisper on 03-14-2018 11:20 PM:

Wouldn't a HTX "fail" stop a lot of these dogs that won't hunt alone from earning a NTCH. degree ? , if it was a requirement .
Just saaaaying.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 03-15-2018 03:50 PM:

Re: Re: .

quote:
Originally posted by joey
Me or you will never understand it but a lot of people never hunt alone. Nor is their dog ever hunted alone and they are fine with that. They are out there to have a good time and hunting one dog or hunting alone is not their idea of fun. So some of those dogs will not hunt alone.

Why is that hard to understand? "Most" human beings are social people. They like being around and with other people. However, there are a few anti-social people who don't like to be around others, but they are in the minority. Also a dogs "natural" nature is to be a pack animal. If you turn them loose and let them run wild, they will pack up. You have to change their natural tendency to make them want to hunt by themselves. So why is it that hard to understand that people and dogs want to hunt together?

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