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Posted by Fisher13 on 04-20-2015 03:50 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by high ridge
I actually think a lot of slicks you walk deep in the country to had a coon in them at one time.

Think on this. You,the coon,are running for your life with a predator chasing. You climb tree to flee scared to death. You are up in tree for 45 minutes or more getting more and more nervous that your life is near the end. How far could you jump. What risk would you take to save your life. I think more bail than we think. Just my opinion.

I know the above is a bizarre scenario but I have thought about it often.



That is interesting thought. Would be cool to catch on camera.

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Posted by N Williams on 04-20-2015 03:51 AM:

They won't always look but I hunt public land so they have all been treed before. If veins are running just shake them hard to jar the tree if squaller don't work. If no veins grab big rock and make the tree jar. Just make him nervous and it will usually look. Never brighten your light. You will be surprised if your patient you can make them almost always look if there. Lol


Posted by Jason Baldwin on 04-20-2015 07:40 AM:

One thing is for sure, the only one the dog has to please is the one feeding him. And its a good thing, or all the dogs would be dead and gone from everybody culling everybody else's dogs. Do yall think accuracy is more natural ability or more training ? Until recently I thought it was 90% natural ability, but with this English redtick female improving the way she has I don't think its that much with certain dogs.

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Posted by RLenhart on 04-20-2015 11:14 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by high ridge
I actually think a lot of slicks you walk deep in the country to had a coon in them at one time.

Think on this. You,the coon,are running for your life with a predator chasing. You climb tree to flee scared to death. You are up in tree for 45 minutes or more getting more and more nervous that your life is near the end. How far could you jump. What risk would you take to save your life. I think more bail than we think. Just my opinion.

I know the above is a bizarre scenario but I have thought about it often.


The coon was running for his life before he treed and he still spent 45min in the tree waiting for the dog to get there? You must be runnin black/tans you need to get yourself a walker. LOL
I actually do think your right there are some bailouts and some of those slick trees do have coon in them you never saw. Even when the leaves are off iv'e seen some trees where if I hadn't gotten real lucky in spotting the coon I'd never have seen it. Some of those big trees just have an awful lot of hiding spots in them.


Posted by pamjohnson on 04-20-2015 02:09 PM:

i thank god that he has blessed me with great eye sight. some fellow hunters are not so lucky. im sure it can make a difference finding coon.


Posted by Kevin Deboy on 04-20-2015 05:00 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by RLenhart
The coon was running for his life before he treed and he still spent 45min in the tree waiting for the dog to get there? You must be runnin black/tans you need to get yourself a walker. LOL
I actually do think your right there are some bailouts and some of those slick trees do have coon in them you never saw. Even when the leaves are off iv'e seen some trees where if I hadn't gotten real lucky in spotting the coon I'd never have seen it. Some of those big trees just have an awful lot of hiding spots in them.



I think he might have been referring to the coon being treed and cast taking 45 minutes to arrive at the tree. I have witnessed coons bailing under these conditions. Especially if it is a smaller tree where the coon is really nervous. Sometimes they can bail amongst all the treeing commotion and the dog doesn't even know they have jumped out. At least that is the way I took his post.


Posted by Tom Jones on 04-20-2015 05:08 PM:

I never have to worry about making 10 trees a night.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 04-20-2015 05:33 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by pamjohnson
i thank god that he has blessed me with great eye sight. some fellow hunters are not so lucky. im sure it can make a difference finding coon.
it can make a huge difference. I hunted with a guy one night. He had great eyesight. Told me I was crazy as heck if I didnt see that coon his dog had treed. Anyhow we made a little wager. I went to truck. Got gun. Came back and said show it to me. 19 shots and no coon produced.

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Posted by N Williams on 04-20-2015 05:41 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
it can make a huge difference. I hunted with a guy one night. He had great eyesight. Told me I was crazy as heck if I didnt see that coon his dog had treed. Anyhow we made a little wager. I went to truck. Got gun. Came back and said show it to me. 19 shots and no coon produced.

Almost got chocked. Lol. I thinking about getting cable removed from my house. Who needs it when you have ukc message board. Got plenty of reality, comedy, and drama.


Posted by RLenhart on 04-20-2015 06:03 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
it can make a huge difference. I hunted with a guy one night. He had great eyesight. Told me I was crazy as heck if I didnt see that coon his dog had treed. Anyhow we made a little wager. I went to truck. Got gun. Came back and said show it to me. 19 shots and no coon produced.
Maybe that just means your a really bad shot. LOL


Posted by John Carroll on 04-20-2015 06:13 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Jones
I never have to worry about making 10 trees a night.


Hahahaha....

Me neither, Tom.

Three or four is a good hunt around here.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 04-20-2015 10:04 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by RLenhart
Maybe that just means your a really bad shot. LOL
Wasn't me shooting. It was Him. Heck my dog was there to lol. I wanted a coon there bad as he did but I call it like I see it. It was one lone tree in the middle of a clear cut. Hadn't been a coon in that thing in 10 yrs prolly

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Posted by rthompson on 04-20-2015 10:36 PM:

It really only matters how accurate YOUR dog is why would somebody get on the computer and call somebody halfway accros the country a liar? Which is what this is by the way! I hunt ant hunt with a few really accurate hounds. and a few that arent. but nobody has to feed my dog but me and i wont feed one that misses very often. just because your dog isnt up to snuff doesnt mean there arent men packin coon treers.


Posted by buck brush on 04-21-2015 12:15 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by rthompson
It really only matters how accurate YOUR dog is why would somebody get on the computer and call somebody halfway accros the country a liar? Which is what this is by the way! I hunt ant hunt with a few really accurate hounds. and a few that arent. but nobody has to feed my dog but me and i wont feed one that misses very often. just because your dog isnt up to snuff doesnt mean there arent men packin coon treers.




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Posted by Tom Jones on 04-21-2015 01:45 PM:

90%

not saying I have owned one. 9 out of 10 is 90%..........54 out of 60 is 90%..........90 out of 100, 180 out of 200 and 270 out of 300 is all 90%............my point is, I believe people in areas with a lot of coon don't mind dogs that are closer to 60%. With that high number of coon chances are that you will get treed within 400-800 yards right? Most of the time this is what the garmin says when some folks get struck and nobody is gonna walk to a tree a mile in and mile out (when this is usually what you walk) to a dog who may or may not have a coon (60%). with that said..........80-85% is more realistic and can eat my ol' roy any day

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Posted by Gary Roberson on 04-21-2015 02:39 PM:

I agree with Robert Whitten. If a dog is only 70% accurate, why feed him? If I walk into a tree, I fully expect to see a coon or cat, if not, there better be an obvious den tree.
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Posted by John Carroll on 04-21-2015 03:18 PM:

Re: 90%

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Jones
not saying I have owned one. 9 out of 10 is 90%..........54 out of 60 is 90%..........90 out of 100, 180 out of 200 and 270 out of 300 is all 90%............my point is, I believe people in areas with a lot of coon don't mind dogs that are closer to 60%. With that high number of coon chances are that you will get treed within 400-800 yards right? Most of the time this is what the garmin says when some folks get struck and nobody is gonna walk to a tree a mile in and mile out (when this is usually what you walk) to a dog who may or may not have a coon (60%). with that said..........80-85% is more realistic and can eat my ol' roy any day


Good post.

I generally walk at least a half a mile to trees, not every time, but a lot of the time.

And a mile isn't unusual either.

So I get sick of a dog pretty quick if he doesn't have the meat.

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Posted by Vic Stoll on 04-21-2015 05:59 PM:

Re: 90%

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Jones
nobody is gonna walk to a tree a mile in and mile out (when this is usually what you walk) to a dog who may or may not have a coon (60%). with that said..........80-85% is more realistic and can eat my ol' roy any day


You're a bad man Mr. Jones !!

80-85%, are you counting dens as coon seen in your percentages? If so, what is an acceptable number/percentage of dens within that overall 80-85%?

Apparently, some of the folks who own World Champion Hounds don't mind to walk to one less than 60%

Go figure??

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Posted by robert whitten on 04-21-2015 07:00 PM:

lol as usual this has gotten way out of context , everybody on this board [ well most anyway's ] know good and well what a slick tree is . lol

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Posted by shane_atchison on 04-21-2015 08:20 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by robert whitten
lol as usual this has gotten way out of context , everybody on this board [ well most anyway's ] know good and well what a slick tree is . lol
A SLICK TREE is a tree without a coon in it while pleasure hunting. While competition hunting there is a 50% chance or better it will also be called a circle tree. From now till the leaves are gone they will become increasingly rare. After reading this post they are rare to many year round.

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Posted by Tom Jones on 04-21-2015 09:06 PM:

Re: Re: 90%

quote:
Originally posted by Vic Stoll
You're a bad man Mr. Jones !!

80-85%, are you counting dens as coon seen in your percentages? If so, what is an acceptable number/percentage of dens within that overall 80-85%?

Apparently, some of the folks who own World Champion Hounds don't mind to walk to one less than 60%

Go figure??



Vic, we been down this road many times. I've told you I don't tree many dens at all except in late winter............and I have slowed down on the climbing to have a look-see. why are you judging these wrld champions accuracy by a couple nights? regardless, it makes me know difference BUT, WHEN I START WALKING TO 50 TREES AND ONLY SEE 30 LOL. why would you waste your time carrying the .22??

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Posted by Fisher13 on 04-21-2015 11:12 PM:

Re: 90%

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Jones
not saying I have owned one. 9 out of 10 is 90%..........54 out of 60 is 90%..........90 out of 100, 180 out of 200 and 270 out of 300 is all 90%............my point is, I believe people in areas with a lot of coon don't mind dogs that are closer to 60%. With that high number of coon chances are that you will get treed within 400-800 yards right? Most of the time this is what the garmin says when some folks get struck and nobody is gonna walk to a tree a mile in and mile out (when this is usually what you walk) to a dog who may or may not have a coon (60%). with that said..........80-85% is more realistic and can eat my ol' roy any day


Very good point!!

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Posted by Vic Stoll on 04-21-2015 11:43 PM:

Re: Re: Re: 90%

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Jones
Vic, we been down this road many times. I've told you I don't tree many dens at all except in late winter............and I have slowed down on the climbing to have a look-see. why are you judging these wrld champions accuracy by a couple nights? regardless, it makes me know difference BUT, WHEN I START WALKING TO 50 TREES AND ONLY SEE 30 LOL. why would you waste your time carrying the .22??


Yes we have beat on the pieces of the dead horse a time or three Tom. Since I can't coax any % or numbers out of you, I'll attempt to humor you on the 60% you wouldn't waste your time with.

5% slick-coon not seen
15% dens-coon not seen
20% heavy foliage-coon not seen
60% coon seen

Maybe the regional thing you have referred to in past horse piece beating sessions comes somewhat into play, but for around these parts those are some realistic numbers for the counterfeits I pack around.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 04-22-2015 12:00 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by robert whitten
lol as usual this has gotten way out of context , everybody on this board [ well most anyway's ] know good and well what a slick tree is . lol
We talking slick slick or circle slick like lots of folks count as a coon

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Posted by robert whitten on 04-22-2015 12:17 AM:

slick , slick like the tail on a possum lol

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