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Originally posted by john Duemmer
If everyone wanted the same style dog things would be alot simpler, and the part of the country we live in also plays a large role in what type hound is the most productive.
I live in pretty thick coon and hunt mostly patch woods (corn country). The last thing i need is a track dog, or one that checks himself before he settles. I want one to leave fast with nothing on his mind but gettin parked under a coon.
If i had to climb a mountain or wade a swamp to look at a tree i would probably look at things a little different. Accuracy isnt free, its a trade off, when a guy says he has one thats 90% accurate I can almost guarantee that my 60% plugs will get parked under more sets of eyes by the end of the night.
I guess it boils down to why your out there, if ya enjoy sittin on a log listenin to old accurate spend a half hour sortin out that feeder track like grandpa used to do more power to ya, id rather be out there with a dog that is rockin and rollin. The last issue of prohound i opened was still plumb full of walker dogs in the winners circle, now wheather they tracked down those coon or just blast through the timber lookin for a popup, they still got the job done. And thats why most of the crossbred litters will be half walker dog, and its also why the big winning crossbreds to date were half walker.

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for you walker guys . a big walker breeder that has a nice female that did well at a world hunt is going to breed her to Gntch Redwood Skid which is a plott. a walker guy trying to make his line better with a plott . It is one of the bigger walker lines out there

Random breeding's produce random results.
In my experience, one dose of a "power" tree dog goes along way. Balance, Balance, Balance
The problem is we all like to see the extreme's, just like in all livestock we have had to learn hard lessons.In the eighties cattle were bred to big, result calving problems! cost of feed etc...
It will never be perfect science, too many factors involved, genetics, raising, training etc.. But seeking the intangible's in a dog that has balance will go along way for a person.
Just my take, from my experience.

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So in theory by always breeding for balance if you get a little to the left or a little to the right, you should be able to make it back to the middle with out to much trouble.

Only thing is what if your trying to produce a little to the right,a tree dog? I guess that's where the artistry comes into play.

It's seems with today's dogs you can have track dogs and tree dogs all out of the same litter. I guess probably from so much outcrossing.

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I believe a balanced dog is a track and tree dog.

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Striving to breed balanced Treeing Walkers.

"Life is short boys, Hunt an intelligent hound"

Born in sin, convicted by the Word, saved by Grace.

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Originally posted by CONRAD FRYAR
I believe a balanced dog is a track and tree dog.

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Hide your possum', hide your deer them boys is running walkers 'round here

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Originally posted by Cry Tough Blues
Hide your possum', hide your deer them boys is running walkers 'round here

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I don't care how cold nosed or how hot nosed a dog is. If it doesn't have sense enough to pick out tracks it can handle all you got is a boohooer

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Originally posted by kenney Clark
Walker power, they need it. We know it, and they know it. Lol., call it what you want, but we know if it made any thing of a dog, it was the walker they needed., . other breeds dont have the heart, the tree power, or the hunt to compete on regular basis, so breed there breed to a walker. Now we can all be happy., yea...

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Originally posted by msinc
I agree, but that is a pipe dream at best because yeah, you are right there would be a lot less pups raised/ registered...because the business of doing so would go under. UKC has to make money to keep it's doors open. It's like if you force developers to build only in blighted neighborhoods they simply move to another more business friendly area. Limit the number of pups that can be raised and everyone raising them will go to another kennel club.
The biggest reason UKC, one of the oldest and biggest registries of pure bred dogs is now allowing the registration of "cross breeds" is the money. One of them got mad the last time I said it but they ought to be glad I aint running that show...I'd can all of them for not coming up with this scam 20 years ago!!!!

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Lets face it there's a lot of culls out there, even less average dogs and very few COON DOGS. I have dogs but none of them are what I would call a COON DOG. Do you remember years ago when a GRNTCH in general auctually meant something ????? NOW that title is expected , I don't think anyone that hunted 20-30 plus years ago can argue on average that dogs are better now than back then.

People only know what they have seen, or in most cases/ heard (hype) How many people do you think out there that's breeding dogs have truely seen or hunted with a straight up coon dog ?

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Originally posted by mt.man77
Lets face it there's a lot of culls out there, even less average dogs and very few COON DOGS. I have dogs but none of them are what I would call a COON DOG. Do you remember years ago when a GRNTCH in general auctually meant something ????? NOW that title is expected , I don't think anyone that hunted 20-30 plus years ago can argue on average that dogs are better now than back then.

People only know what they have seen, or in most cases/ heard (hype) How many people do you think out there that's breeding dogs have truely seen or hunted with a straight up coon dog ?

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didn't they do the cross breeding this along time ago took a walker finished him the single registered him English and finished him or vis versa wasn't around then....and studded him both ways?

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Hardtime Speck was his name.If I ever breed my Walker female again it will be to a English stud.The only Walker stud I would bred to is BoneCollector but Hes too far and too exspensive.

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Originally posted by Fisher13
Most guys I know have hunted all there lives and there all well in there 40s and 50s all of them believe the dogs today are better then what they used to be. Wasn't the old tradition to build a campfire while the dogs worked up a tracked to tree a coon. You couldn't even gather the wood for a campfire most nights in the time it takes for my dog to put one up.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by shane_atchison
Heart, hunt, tree power? maybe. But you forgot the walkers greatest asset: a hot, hot nose. Yea [/QUOTE

Some yea, depends on the line you hunt.., mine can track a coon to a tree just fine.

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Ya. They sure can tree them right up and fast ya lots of walkers out their; and if I need a opossum treed ill Get me a walker!!!

I guess I'm missing something if you breed a walker to a black@tan to improve it. It is no longer a black and tan or walker so how did you improve that breed. I can understand cross breeding to fill holes your missing but improve that breed its no longer that breed.

I've seen some good ones in about every breed so my question is this........

If you can't breed up a good one within your own breed , what makes you think you can breed one up with a cross-bred?


If I was a bluetick guy and wanted something more like a walker , I'd go talk to a walker breeder to find out what they're doing different.

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If I wanted my blue ticks more like a walker I would just hunt a walker and you are right if you can't breed right in your breed how can you get it right cross breeding

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Originally posted by Jackson87
Hardtime Speck was his name.If I ever breed my Walker female again it will be to a English stud.The only Walker stud I would bred to is BoneCollector but Hes too far and too exspensive.

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Originally posted by Fisher13
Most guys I know have hunted all there lives and there all well in there 40s and 50s all of them believe the dogs today are better then what they used to be. Wasn't the old tradition to build a campfire while the dogs worked up a tracked to tree a coon. You couldn't even gather the wood for a campfire most nights in the time it takes for my dog to put one up.

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I am 56 yrs old been coonhunting since I was in my teens always hunted a walker dog never ever had time to build a fire !!!! It don't matter how you breed them if you don't put the time in the woods it's all for not when you make a cross it either works or it don't just that simple there's a lot of 1000 dollar super crosses out there that never panned out either !!

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Originally posted by Fisher13
Most guys I know have hunted all there lives and there all well in there 40s and 50s all of them believe the dogs today are better then what they used to be. Wasn't the old tradition to build a campfire while the dogs worked up a tracked to tree a coon. You couldn't even gather the wood for a campfire most nights in the time it takes for my dog to put one up.

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BackWoods River Walkers/Beagles
Just all 'round , meat gettin' hounds.