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Posted by z-town-blue on 03-10-2014 09:17 PM:

Now Vic! lol. .. No these ole wood lot coon don't always look down, but to the point ..I like a dog that can get by themselves and have a coon. I don't want them to be split and a dog cover them and they leive either. That is independent to a falt, mine better stay or like[ holler back maine] says,.. they won't eat here... lol...

Vic , when Chester roars up that tree and smacks him he will open them eyes...Getttrredone!!!

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Posted by hat creek mac on 03-10-2014 09:28 PM:

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Originally posted by rance56
some of these pack dogs probally just get it honest from their owners. you know the ones that don't want to make it on their merits so they attach themselves to a line or breeder so they can share in the successes of others and ride the coattails. kind of like a pack dog of another sort

now THAT is funny right there!!!!!!

Posted by Vic Stoll on 03-10-2014 10:27 PM:

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Vic , when Chester roars up that tree and smacks him he will open them eyes...Getttrredone!!!

Now that sounds like something that outlaw Lorenzo would say! LOL

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Posted by BIG$BLUES on 03-10-2014 11:20 PM:

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Originally posted by mikehurt
I've got a sick kid, so I am catching up on some reading.
But if anybody gets tired of this subject, there is some mighty good reading on the Coonhound forum about the use of Garmins in the hunts... Lol.

I guess it has helped pass the time lol

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Posted by Perry Ross on 03-10-2014 11:56 PM:

Vic

Hey Vic is Murph hunting in wonderland over there. He sure does sit back and stab a man when he is least expecting it. Had a good visit with him today Said he has eight hounds and they make a racket when they all come on that tree. Said he sold all his loner culls cause he couldn't afford all the boots and clothes he wore out walking to em split. What broke the straw was one turned on him walking into the tree and he had to shoot him just to get his collar. Just thought I would rattle his cage alittle.

If a man likes what he has nothing wrong with that. Everyone likes different things in a dog but I do have to say some of this talk has opened my eyes to how different everyone is in their needs in a dog and what works for them.

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Posted by z-town-blue on 03-11-2014 12:44 AM:

Re: won't play with others....LMAO

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Originally posted by z-town-blue
This is not a team sport, ..How many times have you seen a pack of dogs win the World Hunt?? or a cast of dogs Win A.O??. lol
......"I have only seen a single dog win any hunt"...
..Some me too dogs may win events buy their slick , quick tounged handler, But , for the most part it is the one that will tree coon with no help from others and get off by themselves tree a coon and hold pressure and be accurate...

..."Not to mouthy on the ground, deep and lonely with two looking down." Now that's my kind of hound....GetttrreDone!!!

Perry , You went and blew my cover....Not.. lOl
.............Deep and lonley.....Getttrrredone!!

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Posted by ratpack on 03-11-2014 02:14 AM:

A independent dog that will do his own thing and get some of the others to will win just as much if not more than these so called dead loners...to cover doesn't mean their packing idiots just means they have brains that if their not doing their own thing to get in on the others instead of running 2 miles to get alone under a coon. JMO

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Posted by Vic Stoll on 03-11-2014 05:11 AM:

Re: Vic

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Originally posted by Perry Ross
Hey Vic is Murph hunting in wonderland over there. He sure does sit back and stab a man when he is least expecting it. Had a good visit with him today Said he has eight hounds and they make a racket when they all come on that tree. Said he sold all his loner culls cause he couldn't afford all the boots and clothes he wore out walking to em split. What broke the straw was one turned on him walking into the tree and he had to shoot him just to get his collar. Just thought I would rattle his cage alittle.

If a man likes what he has nothing wrong with that. Everyone likes different things in a dog but I do have to say some of this talk has opened my eyes to how different everyone is in their needs in a dog and what works for them.

How bout it RTO! Any man that will give ole Murph the what for can"t be all bad! They're all just a tad better in the cyber woods. You been giving those.MS coons a hard time with any blue haired pot lockers? Most of the snow melted off these last two days, felt good to turn ole blue loose and hear a couple peeper frogs, first ones I've heard this year. Ole blue did it just like on the internet the first drop. I won't say what he did it like on the next drop

. Take care my friend!

Posted by Ron Moore on 03-12-2014 12:09 AM:

Holly Cow!

First, I would like to say hello to some of my old friends on here, not you Murph, the others! LOL
What I can't understand is how can you tell how fast your dog is or how quick he locates the tree if he isn't competing with the other dogs. I do not want a dead loner or what I consider a dead loner. I had my first taste of an inddependance in the early 70's. I had a pup off of Shelton Morris' Boomer dog that was very independant but would honor another dog. If he treed, he stayed, period. What I'm trying to say is I want a dog to split because it has to, not because it wants to. My old Cassie female would not play at all when I started hunting her in the hunts. If she couldn't split, she wouldn't tree. That is very hard to take when there aren't many coon to be found and she's out looking and the others are setting under a coon. I finished her by her getting her own coon. She starting honoring better with age. Again, in thick coon this can be good but remember, the other dogs have the same chance as you. Hunt what you love and love what you hunt or just move on. One good hunting buddy is worth more than all these dogs rolled into one, the older I get the more I realize this.

Murph, I still miss ole Homer!

Happy hunting, Ron

Posted by Pine Log Kennel on 03-12-2014 01:09 AM:

Re: Loners

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Originally posted by Wayne Valentino
don't like em, they are not balanced... Bred for scorecards not coonhunting.... If they strike their own track while hunting they should tree their own track and stick.. If they strike together they should tree together.. This horse racing and running different directions ON PURPOSE is a fault.. Dogs in their true state are a pack animal not loners... I understand why competition hunters want em... But if that is what ya got, don't expect me to buy your pups... I WANT THE PROPER AMOUNT of independance... these ones that tree and as soon as another dog shows up they leave and go tree elsewhere NEED CULLED or at least never bred..

I just happened on this thread, and as luck would have it this is the first reply on it. Im gonna have to express my opinion loudly as Wayne has already done.

Dead loners are not bred for "scorecards not coonhunting"....Dead Loners arent bred, most of the time they are accidents, or freaks. I have consistently tried to reproduce the caliber of hound I like, being a dead loner, and have had very little success at consistency, and know no one else that has consistently produced that type of hound. I may be a little more picky than others though. Ive got a dozer pile full of "future prospects" and "pack hounds". I would say that is my pet peeve, people not being honest with theirselves, and culling the junk they know deep down wont work.

Strike together tree together, strike alone tree alone, strike alone tree together, I agree, dont like independant to a fault.......etc.....leaving when covered, but it happens with truly dead loners sometimes.........

Running different directions......well that is covered in the "coondog" category, have you never cut a dog north and he spun and headed south where you thought werent any coons and got struck and treed in a matter of miniutes??....thats what we call an independant coondog in Arkansas......some folks call it coon sense.......some folks call it slinging the pack dogs off the score card....most wont admit it was the better dog and call it a fault.

In ending Wayne, Ill leave you with this, If you want pack dogs thats your business, I have owned much much more hound in my life than I feel a pack dog has ever been, and ive culled many many many pack dogs, different strokes for different folks I guess.......

Posted by pamjohnson on 03-12-2014 01:45 PM:

pine log kennel here is my ? why is it u like a dead loner? the reason i ask isn't to be smart or anything like that. the reason i ask is oddviously it doesnt breed on without being kinda freaky so why try. wouldn't a simple independent loner style dog make more sence to breed for? or not? or perhaps your not talking breeding but instead u just like haveing a dead loaner just to hunt.

Posted by drummerblue on 03-12-2014 02:29 PM:

dead loners

I've allways herd a true dead loner never makes it out of the whelping box that they will get off in a corner and get chilled and sick and die are get away from the rest of pups and mom forgets about him and smashes the little ideat are she gets tired of dragging the little fort back up on the tit and let's him starve all for a good lol lol I'll keep breeding for what I like to see in the woods and in my back yard I'm the one that hunts and feeds them regardless of what ather people say are what style they like we the people are all not alike thank the good lord have a god blessed day

Posted by Wayne Valentino on 03-12-2014 02:30 PM:

Pine Log

Had one, made my life miserable.. I want balance as the situation dictates.. One coon in the woods they are turned in, all should work together and tree it.. Several coon in that woods and they each find their own track, they should each tree their own coon and be deaf to the others.. As the find em they should tree em.. Company or no company and look good doing it.. The Horse racers and tree leavers got some screws loose IMHO..

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Posted by BIG$BLUES on 03-12-2014 02:50 PM:

It's obvious there is lots of opinions on what's a gooden

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Posted by prostockpat on 03-12-2014 03:53 PM:

funny thing....

You don't see "loner types" for sale.....but you can fill a semi with me too/pack dogs for sale on here.
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Posted by Pine Log Kennel on 03-13-2014 02:11 AM:

Re: Pine Log

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Originally posted by Wayne Valentino
Had one, made my life miserable.. I want balance as the situation dictates.. One coon in the woods they are turned in, all should work together and tree it.. Several coon in that woods and they each find their own track, they should each tree their own coon and be deaf to the others.. As the find em they should tree em.. Company or no company and look good doing it.. The Horse racers and tree leavers got some screws loose IMHO..

I hear ya Wayne, its all in what a feller likes, I guess hunting conditions, country and age play a part in everybodys reasoning when hunting hounds.

Ill totaly agree with you on the horse racers and tree leavers, not anything I will tolerate..........

But again in the type dogs I like and hunt I see very little horse racing, cause they never pack or check a dog, they just go their own way and get treed.

Posted by Pine Log Kennel on 03-13-2014 02:15 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by pamjohnson
pine log kennel here is my ? why is it u like a dead loner? the reason i ask isn't to be smart or anything like that. the reason i ask is oddviously it doesnt breed on without being kinda freaky so why try. wouldn't a simple independent loner style dog make more sence to breed for? or not? or perhaps your not talking breeding but instead u just like haveing a dead loaner just to hunt.

Ive had the pleasure of getting beat by some really nice dogs in big hunts that won all over, Ive also been fortunate to have owned a couple once in a lifetime hounds, none were pack dogs, all were totally independant, hard going and accurate.

That being said for me personally owning a pack dog isnt an option.

Posted by Pine Log Kennel on 03-13-2014 02:18 AM:

Re: dead loners

quote:
Originally posted by drummerblue
I've allways herd a true dead loner never makes it out of the whelping box that they will get off in a corner and get chilled and sick and die are get away from the rest of pups and mom forgets about him and smashes the little ideat are she gets tired of dragging the little fort back up on the tit and let's him starve all for a good lol lol I'll keep breeding for what I like to see in the woods and in my back yard I'm the one that hunts and feeds them regardless of what ather people say are what style they like we the people are all not alike thank the good lord have a god blessed day

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Posted by Tom Jones on 03-13-2014 02:19 PM:

question for you men and women

if a man owns a dead loner type, say you started him by himself and he trees his first coon at 6 months old. you take it slow with him hunting him about 2 times a week and more when he starts getting more mature. say he has about 40 nights in the woods alone and around 10 with other hounds. you have still yet to hear him open in the area with another hound nor ever tree with one (rxcept maybe once when a dog backs him after a few minutes)...........THIS IS A DEAD LONER RIGHT? with more age and hunting with other hounds would this type start to respect other hounds more (by respect I mean cover them when he is not struck) with age and more socialization? just like to hear your thoughts.

another thing I dont agree with some is they think that all loners just blow in the country but alot of these type are winding type dogs and I have personally seen/owned ONE (now maybe 2) that when you cut them in a cast would flat whirl around a tree a coon 50-150 yards the opposite direction of the PACK dogs that are horse racing.

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Posted by BIG$BLUES on 03-13-2014 03:57 PM:

Tom The dog you describe is a gooden in my opinion and hard to beat if he/she is treeing coon

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Posted by j.keener on 03-13-2014 05:55 PM:

Winning type hounds

Sounds like the next winner to me!

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Posted by driller on 03-13-2014 06:46 PM:

Tom Jones

I have always started my hounds by themselves in the woods until I could depend on them and have a pretty good idea what they were doing. I have had mostly independent type hounds. Earlier in this thread I think you mentioned that when hunted alone a lot of hounds don't hunt as hard as they will when turned loose with other dogs and I have seen that quite a few times with a female I have right now. It is almost like she gauges the intensity of the situation before she decides what she's going to do. Most of the time I get a kick out of her but sometimes I want to shoot her. :-)

Posted by Pine Log Kennel on 03-14-2014 01:16 AM:

Re: question for you men and women

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Originally posted by Tom Jones
if a man owns a dead loner type, say you started him by himself and he trees his first coon at 6 months old. you take it slow with him hunting him about 2 times a week and more when he starts getting more mature. say he has about 40 nights in the woods alone and around 10 with other hounds. you have still yet to hear him open in the area with another hound nor ever tree with one (rxcept maybe once when a dog backs him after a few minutes)...........THIS IS A DEAD LONER RIGHT? with more age and hunting with other hounds would this type start to respect other hounds more (by respect I mean cover them when he is not struck) with age and more socialization? just like to hear your thoughts.

another thing I dont agree with some is they think that all loners just blow in the country but alot of these type are winding type dogs and I have personally seen/owned ONE (now maybe 2) that when you cut them in a cast would flat whirl around a tree a coon 50-150 yards the opposite direction of the PACK dogs that are horse racing.

Tom the way I look at that scenario is...., and this is only my opinion, which isnt worth much......when they start getting big eared they have lost their "Loner" credentials, of course everything is a loner by itself, I think it takes at least 20 socialized hunts before you can really get the feel for what they are going to do, but the first time they check or cover another dog it usually is near the end of solitude, not every time or every dog, but a big percentage. Some will stay fairly independent but always check or back instead of going its own way every time.

Posted by Randy Howard on 03-14-2014 01:48 AM:

I have got one now 2 1/2 and have just started hitting the hunts has not been hunted with many other hounds and hunt him mainly by hisself.
Trees alone or split will check another dog but doesn't really care to tree with them but most were slick, will hold pressure with dogs running all around and right now in company has been about 60% accurate but much more alone
Just a low end strike dog that doesn't rattle off the chain and hope to kerp him this way. And his Daddy is and always has been a loner but accurate coon treeing hound splits and holds all kinds of pressure also
Hope this young dog will be a little of both. But sure like em lonely with the meat can't stand the big ears on some thAt will cover a dog from a 1/4 mile away or more. Sorry to be rattling on lol
Deep and lonely big horn and the meat is what I like best.

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Posted by coonbone on 09-20-2014 04:38 PM:

What dogs (living) are throwing the right kind of independence? From what i've read,Piazon probably is.Any others?

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