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Posted by jculler8 on 09-12-2010 02:59 AM:

quote:
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just buy you a dog
and quiet worry about all the accessories

Don't worry, I don't have to "buy" me a dog, I've got one here that I've trained myself from a pup that suites me just fine.

I'm not worried about dog power at all, I've got plenty of that! I'm concerned with the fighting, argueing, and bickering that I have to listen to as a judge all nite long because things are not stated clearly enough!

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Posted by GRAVEDIGGER on 09-12-2010 05:21 AM:

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Originally posted by patches9452
why punish a second tree dog when no one wants to punish a tight mouth or even silent track dog it takes both to be a coon dog strike and tree

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Posted by coondogbean on 09-12-2010 06:01 AM:

with rule 6 stating that a grand or nite ch dog can be scratched in time out, who is responsible to go to the dog with handler when the dog is found treed out of pocket in the time out. if ive got the hour runnin on me shinin the tree either rite or wrong is the last thing on my mind, i dont know how many times ive went in to get a dog and the rest wait at the truck,

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Posted by GORDON CATES on 09-14-2010 01:36 PM:

btt

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Posted by Wes Coffman on 09-14-2010 02:35 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by coondogbean
with rule 6 stating that a grand or nite ch dog can be scratched in time out, who is responsible to go to the dog with handler when the dog is found treed out of pocket in the time out. if ive got the hour runnin on me shinin the tree either rite or wrong is the last thing on my mind, i dont know how many times ive went in to get a dog and the rest wait at the truck,

That's exactly what I thought after I read the rule change. To me this means that the judge/majority of the cast will have to score tree's during a timeout only for the sake of scratching in the case of treeing off game.

Posted by JiM on 09-14-2010 03:01 PM:

Wes, this isn't any different than it has always been. You have always been allowed to scratch dogs for offgame during timeouts. I have never seen it required that the judge accompany every handler to get his dog during timeouts and you won't see it under the new rule. These are honor rules. If you go get your dog and it is under a possum, you inform the judge that your dog is scratched. Or you cheat and say nothing.
How many times does a handler go to a split tree alone to handle his dog? Does he pull his dog off an obvious slick and move it over to a giant maple to avoid minus? He does if he is a cheater, he doesn't if he is honest.
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Posted by coondogbean on 09-14-2010 10:49 PM:

but in the case of rule 6, if the cast goes to the treed and can scratch the dog for off game then i believe the tree should be scored no matter what it is, if ur gonna scratch a dog and penalize it for off game then if it has a coon it should be rewarded, and if its slick minus it. I'm not against the scratch rule, but ive been on the end of dog gettin by herself and we,ve walked the other way from her goin to other dogs , call time out and find her treed with the meat,

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Posted by WLDCHINSANEJANE on 09-15-2010 09:17 AM:

I don't understand

Why wouldn't anybreed association not want a tree countdown.

Posted by Steve Raleigh on 09-15-2010 03:13 PM:

Re: I don't understand

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Originally posted by WLDCHINSANEJANE
Why wouldn't anybreed association not want a tree countdown.

Does not make sense to me either.

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Posted by e.t.sawyerjr on 09-15-2010 04:31 PM:

because most of the breed ass. members think that there is enough point diffenence for the secrete trailer in the points system already.

if a dog gets 25 point on every track it's silent.
have to have a very honest handler for this to happen.

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Posted by Todd Miller on 09-16-2010 01:33 PM:

btt

Posted by da.wells on 09-16-2010 04:08 PM:

Re: I don't understand

quote:
Originally posted by WLDCHINSANEJANE
Why wouldn't anybreed association not want a tree countdown.

it keeps the me tooers in the game, so participation is up

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Posted by Dale Young on 09-17-2010 01:42 AM:

Re: Re: I don't understand

quote:
Originally posted by da.wells
it keeps the me tooers in the game, so participation is up

Lot to be said for that statement. Many part time competition hunters, beginners, know nothings, etc. are helping pay the bills and keep numbers in the " game ". Making coon hunting a sport for professionals will only make it smaller than it already has become. I own dogs to entertain ME and all that about bettering the breed I really don't give a rats behind about unless it happens while I'm enjoying myself.
This statement:

I'm concerned with the fighting, arguing, and bickering that I have to listen to as a judge all nite long because things are not stated clearly enough!

is why it may be time for UKC with it's knowledgeable staff to sit down and pick that rule book apart and throw out all the what if rules and the ones designed to get more points faster than the other casts and cut it to the bare bones basics easily read AND understood so you don't need a lawyer for a handler or for that matter don't feel you have to have a super handler to win so you can hunt and enjoy your own dog. That in itself would increase entries.
UKC see's the results and problems with all casts throughout the country and maybe should control the rules and only summit what they feel is needed to the breed associations to get their input on ideas instead of the other way around.

Posted by mark barnett on 09-17-2010 01:55 AM:

well said mr young. i hate to have to agree with you lol.

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Posted by barryg35 on 09-17-2010 02:00 AM:

Re: Re: Re: I don't understand

quote:
Originally posted by Dale Young
Lot to be said for that statement. Many part time competition hunters, beginners, know nothings, etc. are helping pay the bills and keep numbers in the " game ". Making coon hunting a sport for professionals will only make it smaller than it already has become. I own dogs to entertain ME and all that about bettering the breed I really don't give a rats behind about unless it happens while I'm enjoying myself.
This statement:

I'm concerned with the fighting, arguing, and bickering that I have to listen to as a judge all nite long because things are not stated clearly enough!

is why it may be time for UKC with it's knowledgeable staff to sit down and pick that rule book apart and throw out all the what if rules and the ones designed to get more points faster than the other casts and cut it to the bare bones basics easily read AND understood so you don't need a lawyer for a handler or for that matter don't feel you have to have a super handler to win so you can hunt and enjoy your own dog. That in itself would increase entries.
UKC see's the results and problems with all casts throughout the country and maybe should control the rules and only summit what they feel is needed to the breed associations to get their input on ideas instead of the other way around.

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Posted by Christy on 10-01-2010 04:20 PM:

THIS, MAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASKED AND I JUST MISSED IT, BUT ARE THESE NEW RULE PROPOSALS IN THE NEW ADVISOR THAT JUST CAME OUT, OR WILL IT HAVE TO BE RE-EDITED AGAIN TO REFLECT THE RULES THAT GO INTO AFFECT JANUARY 1, 2011?

BECAUSE IF THE NEW ONE THAT JUST CAME OUT DOES NOT HAVE THE CORRECT AND UP TO DATE CHANGES, THEN IT'S NO GOOD TO USE IF IT DOES NOT HAVE WHAT IS CURRENT RULES.

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Posted by barryg35 on 10-01-2010 09:31 PM:

it doesnt. these advisors were ready before AO and the rules were not voted on till AO

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Posted by LostHeritageKennel on 10-02-2010 09:37 PM:

Wished they would have passed the bench show rule about 5 years ago. Would have been nice to have shown Faith a little more.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 10-02-2010 10:43 PM:

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Proposal #1~ Rule 2 (b) / Point System: - add to read:
125 points for dog declared treed first; 75 points second; 50 points third and 25 points fourth. One minute after first dog has been declared treed; second tree position will be closed. Two minutes after first dog has been declared treed; third tree position will be closed. Any dog(s) treed after two minutes will receive 25 tree points. Any dogs declared treed after five minutes refer to Rule 4(k).
Yes (1) No (6) Result (Failed)

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The vote should say...
ME (1) ME TOO (6) Result (Failed)

Hard to undersatnd why the breed associations will not pass a countdown rule of some kind.

How many stop watchs would you have to carry? Everyone wants independant dogs. You have four dogs going to 3 differant trees. Now you have to keep a clock going on each tree and remember which clock is for which tree. If you let some one else time one of the trees there going to say tree is dead before the guy has time to tree his dog if it opens. Nothing is perfect but I beleive in the "keep it simple stupid" saying.
That much timeing might keep an undeserving dog from getting points BUT what a slick handler and a buddy could do would be a lot worse I think.

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Posted by barryg35 on 10-02-2010 10:48 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Okie Dawg
How many stop watchs would you have to carry? Everyone wants independant dogs. You have four dogs going to 3 differant trees. Now you have to keep a clock going on each tree and remember which clock is for which tree. If you let some one else time one of the trees there going to say tree is dead before the guy has time to tree his dog if it opens. Nothing is perfect but I beleive in the "keep it simple stupid" saying.
That much timeing might keep an undeserving dog from getting points BUT what a slick handler and a buddy could do would be a lot worse I think.

it works just fine in the others that doit and its not that difficult to do. excuses. and not to disagree okie but ukc rules are far from "simple"

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 10-02-2010 11:14 PM:

quote:
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it works just fine in the others that doit and its not that difficult to do. excuses. and not to disagree okie but ukc rules are far from "simple"

Why is it if it works so well that they allways have to ask others to help keep time on the trees when I hunt in the others? If I am keeping the third clock on the thifd tree and yur dog is opening going toward my dogs tree are you going to beleive me when I say "tree is dead" a second before you can say tree your dog? How about if I say tree is dead when I hear your dog locate? I would rather leave it between the dogs than the slick handlers and cheats. From the vote I would say the majority would rather be cheated by the dog than the handler and I will bet most have hunted in the other clubs too. They didn't like it. That is why a lot of UKC people are UKC people. They have enough dog to beet a me too dog and don't worry about one getting a few points.

Posted by kycooner1 on 10-02-2010 11:20 PM:

I use one stop watch judging a cast, if 1;35 is gone when a man declares his dog treed. I say Dog so and so treed split and time is running from 1'35,, tree will be dead at 6;35. Its pretty simple.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 10-02-2010 11:28 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by patches9452
why punish a second tree dog when no one wants to punish a tight mouth or even silent track dog it takes both to be a coon dog strike and tree

I don't think either should be punished other than less points for being second tree. A lot of dogs treed second was just a little slower or struck the track a little further back than the first.

I hate to see a silent track dog punished becouse your punishing a dog for being smart. If you are tracking something that can climb a tree and you can't you would be stupid to go threw the woods screeming here I come. A silent dog will catch more on the ground and a me to dog isn't as apt to be there when it trees either. I don't like hunting a silent dog becouse I like to here the race. Just like I like to here 3-4 dogs after the same coon on a long track but I wouldn't fault a silent dog just becouse I don't like them.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 10-02-2010 11:40 PM:

quote:
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I use one stop watch judging a cast, if 1;35 is gone when a man declares his dog treed. I say Dog so and so treed split and time is running from 1'35,, tree will be dead at 6;35. Its pretty simple.

Well what do you do when you have to run time on 3 that is treed in differant spots. You have hunt time going, the one and two going on one tree. Then you have the one and two going on the second tree. The the third dog trees and you have now got the one minute and two minute going on three trees and one dog still out. Oh and keep up with the five on all 3 trees too.
Now you have to let them know when the one is up on each tree, you have to let them know when the two is up on each tree on 3 trees and the third dog could be standing beside you with the 15 running on it. Now if you can remember where all those times start and are up on each tree and the dog beside you. YOU ARE GOOD. I think most just want to keep it simple though. After all what is the slower dog going to get. LESS POINTS AND LAST PLACE............Most around here doesn't want to keep score allready. There are clubs that do have the count down. If that is what you like why don't you hunt in those? This way we have a choice. If you make them all the same you take that choice away.

Posted by barryg35 on 10-03-2010 12:48 AM:

well we will just have to agree to disagree. nothing will ever make all of us happy

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