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Originally posted by Blue Style
if you have something off topic to speak with me about, give me a call or pm me, this isnt the place for it...405-240-0120

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BAWL

THE DAY I TURN SOFT AND TAKE SOMETHING BACK I SAID IS THE DAY HELL WILL FREEZE OVER, I MEAN WHAT I SAY AND SAY WHAT I MEAN, YOU WOULD THINK PEOPLE COULD FIGURE THAT OUT BY READING WHAT IS POSTED.THIS COUNTRY HAS GONE TO HELL AND COONHOUND BREDDING IS GOING WITH IT MORE AND MORE EVERYDAY!!!!!!!

TRUTH HURTS THANKS FOR THE OLD TIMMERS OUT THERE WITH THE COMMON SINCE TO KEEP IT OLD SCHOOL

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I should take a couple of days off from work, drive to you from tn to sc. While staying in a motel, hunt with the parents and off spring. And then drive back, when I could have just asked for a honest opinion of your dogs.. Some people can't hardly afford the gas and money for the pup.

Is this your answer?

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Originally posted by ki4qpu
I should take a couple of days off from work, drive to you from tn to sc. While staying in a motel, hunt with the parents and off spring. And then drive back, when I could have just asked for a honest opinion of your dogs.. Some people can't hardly afford the gas and money for the pup.

Is this your answer?

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How do you guys make it through the day worrying about the abomination of the coonhound breeds?? In all honestly what do you care who breeds what and who hunts what?

Worry about what is on the end of your leash. Why even look any further? All puppies are a gamble no matter what their parents or background is. You can stack the odds, but nothing is guarenteed. If it is too expensive or too much of a hardship for you to take the time to research your pup and make a trip to see the parents in action either:

#1 Quit complaining and raise your own pups out of your wonder stock

#2 Quit coonhunting and work more because if you can't afford the gas to go look at the parents you can't afford to raise and train a pup the way it needs to be raised and trained.

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bawl

well i say kill what dont hunt,tree,and stay treed, and exicute trash bredders on national !!!!! thats how strong i feel about bredding crap hounds more and more every day.
folks shuold get good dogs for a good price

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Originally posted by scottphillips76
well i say kill what dont hunt,tree,and stay treed, and exicute trash bredders on national !!!!! thats how strong i feel about bredding crap hounds more and more every day.
folks shuold get good dogs for a good price

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Originally posted by Okie Dawg
Now what if your parents had felt that way..........LMAO

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Originally posted by ki4qpu
Christy,

you and most of the others completely and utterly missed the point and got tunnel vision - thinking I was attacking your dog and kennel.

I give up after this: If someone on here posts or comes to your house. And says i'm looking for a stud that is heavy bred sackett. Your quick to chime in and offer sid. Not knowing what the female is capable of in the woods. And may or may not be WORTHY of sid or breeding at all. As a stud owner and lover of the sport would you want a litter of pups from a female that is not good stock? If it were reversed and you had the female that was a great dog, you wouldn't want to breed to the stud that hasn't left the chain in three years-and no i'm not talking about sid. It's the responsibilty of both parties to know both dogs are worthy of breeding and not just decent papers, to make the next generation of hounds better. If you haven't got that I can't spread it any thinner.

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Originally posted by ki4qpu
But your exactly what i'm talking about. Your very quick on the draw when someone asks on here who to breed to. I'm sure sid is a good dog, but allowing anyone to come breed is asinine. It's as much or more the stud owners responsibility to know what your breeding to. For example click on sids name in your signature. First thing you see..... $300.00. Not proven females only. And i'm not talking about championed females I mean real tree dogs.

Coonhounds across the board are going backwards, more so in the walkers and I was a walker man. It's up to the breeders to turn this around.

I'm not trying to pick on you, or to piss you off. But it's the truth, maybe you screen the females behind the scenes. I don't know? I speak merly from observation. But if something doesn't change a good dog is going to be real hard to find. I'm not trying to attack you in any way. But i am trying to be honest and sincere.

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Originally posted by ki4qpu
I should take a couple of days off from work, drive to you from tn to sc. While staying in a motel, hunt with the parents and off spring. And then drive back, when I could have just asked for a honest opinion of your dogs.. Some people can't hardly afford the gas and money for the pup.

Is this your answer?

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Originally posted by ki4qpu
I appreciate the sarcasm. If you can't see what is happening to the breeds not just walkers, your blind. I think the worst thing that happened to coonhounds was being able to title them.

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Originally posted by scottphillips76
well i say kill what dont hunt,tree,and stay treed, and exicute trash bredders on national !!!!! thats how strong i feel about bredding crap hounds more and more every day.
folks shuold get good dogs for a good price

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Originally posted by Cat and bear
I'm glad you dont understand big game dogs and breeding for them. No disrespect, to coon hunters, they breed what works for them in that area, the best part is this. I breed back woods, bear dogs, been for years. I have been known and respected for these, can sell every one i train, for big bucks, but I'm selective on my breed program. having to run grade dogs, to keep feet and nose. I've been laughing to myself writing this, because, I've sold a dozen walkers over the last five years, including my pack of seven last fall to hard core bear hunters in your state. So you guys worried about papers, knowing everything about breeding, the walker line, keep it up, doing a good job, because your fellow hunters, have to come to wi to get and buy walker bear dogs, with no papers. I will keep laughing all the way to the bank. LOL

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I guess if I hunted Sh*T eaters 2 nights a week as a "hard hunter" I would spend my time attacking breeders for my own shortcomings. If you had a decent dog you wouldnt be concerned with what others are doing! Have fun playing cyber-hunter!

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Originally posted by Darren barkman
I agree 100% one more thing beside's titles hurting the coondogs is there's less hide hunter's. I remember when just about every house around had a coondog tide behind it. And most of them had dogs when they treed they had the meat. because if they did'nt fill the barn wall with fur they did'nt stay long.

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i wonder what old timer jerry clower would have bredd highbawl back to? ha ha ha ha ha

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Originally posted by Briar
People say that all the time. Bottom line, dogs aren't people...if you want to compare them I am sure PETA has a website and a message board

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I've been reading all this and Oak Ridge makes good points. Hobo makes good points. If you don't know you better learn, don't get in an argument with Christy, you'll eat your words. LOL Fact of the matter is breeders breed for supply and demand. It is not the breeders fault some guy takes a two dollar dog to breed to his super stud. If he knows she won't do nothing, the male will sell the pups and he can make some money. If he is lucky some may turn out and make coondogs and next litter he can charge more. You see posted on these boards all over about all grand. All grand is bull. Unless you know a dog and that it earned the title legit, then all you know is a dog has a title. If you want to keep junk out of your kennel, then raise your own pups, get them started, kill the bad ones and finish the good ones. Don't blame your own bad puppy deals and junk hounds on the breeder. You paid for the puppy or dog for some reason. Was it the papers? Was it because it was pretty? What was your reason in buying the pup? What was your reason in buying that dog? When the demand for pups goes down, the supply goes down. You get more thought out breedings and will end up with better dogs. I can't see spending $500 to $1,000 on a pup. You can buy a well started or almost finished dog for this and know what you are getting. Use your own brain, and hope others will do the same. Not bashing any one stud but if you look at numbers, who in their right mind would breed to a dog that has 2,000 pups and only 10% are titled? Because that stud sells puppies. I am sure if a little home town research were done, better studs are closer to home than you think. They may not be all grand or have a super set of papers, but they probably produce better. Get with the pogram and learn that this happened over the course of years and can't be changed by a couple of rebels who want to restructure the entire coonhunting world. It won't happen. Where there is money to be made it will be made and you can't stop it.

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wow! talk about some cheap entertainment! might have to get a cold beer and keep up with this post. Might get interesting!

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Originally posted by nccoonhunter197
I've been reading all this and Oak Ridge makes good points. Hobo makes good points. If you don't know you better learn, don't get in an argument with Christy, you'll eat your words. LOL Fact of the matter is breeders breed for supply and demand. It is not the breeders fault some guy takes a two dollar dog to breed to his super stud. If he knows she won't do nothing, the male will sell the pups and he can make some money. If he is lucky some may turn out and make coondogs and next litter he can charge more. You see posted on these boards all over about all grand. All grand is bull. Unless you know a dog and that it earned the title legit, then all you know is a dog has a title. If you want to keep junk out of your kennel, then raise your own pups, get them started, kill the bad ones and finish the good ones. Don't blame your own bad puppy deals and junk hounds on the breeder. You paid for the puppy or dog for some reason. Was it the papers? Was it because it was pretty? What was your reason in buying the pup? What was your reason in buying that dog? When the demand for pups goes down, the supply goes down. You get more thought out breedings and will end up with better dogs. I can't see spending $500 to $1,000 on a pup. You can buy a well started or almost finished dog for this and know what you are getting. Use your own brain, and hope others will do the same. Not bashing any one stud but if you look at numbers, who in their right mind would breed to a dog that has 2,000 pups and only 10% are titled? Because that stud sells puppies. I am sure if a little home town research were done, better studs are closer to home than you think. They may not be all grand or have a super set of papers, but they probably produce better. Get with the pogram and learn that this happened over the course of years and can't be changed by a couple of rebels who want to restructure the entire coonhunting world. It won't happen. Where there is money to be made it will be made and you can't stop it.

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well

money over qaulity thats just like the coon we should tree and shoot out in washington dc!!!!!!

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Originally posted by scottphillips76
money over qaulity thats just like the coon we should tree and shoot out in washington dc!!!!!!

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scottphillips76

Are you serious? Self presentation and class folks, it'll say a lot for you. Political opinions arent needed, and furthermore I have no use for racism! If you feel that way keep it to yourself. Believe me that peta and hsus have people monitoring our site, and comments such as these do nothing more than fuel their fire. Want to stand up for the preservation of hound hunting, folks? Start with your self!

Now back to this topic. I have been trying to hold back, but can't any longer. I read above about the hide hunter collecting 300 a year with a dog that wouldnt tree, and those who had 2 dogs, yadda yadda. Those are great things to look back on with sentiment, but it's the past. Do some of you refuse to acknowledge the progress that has been made in the hound world? Given the right coon population and overlooking conservation, I promise you many could kill 300 or more a year in 1/2 the time. All breeds have come a long ways, and that's because of smart breeders, but there were bad breeders then that have been forgotten. Just as we will forget the bad ones of today. Many good points have been made throughout this discussion, and some need to take note. This is similar to argument about cheating handlers. Yes, there are crooks but do your hw and have the right dog, you won't be cheated. The same could apply in breeding, do your hw and worry about your own hounds; you can't stop ppl from breeding trash. In ten years they will all be forgotten and there will be a brand new batch of trash for people to complain about, but I promise you the work of good breeders will still be going on and you'll still be able to find a good dog.

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Originally posted by ncsu_treedog
Are you serious? Self presentation and class folks, it'll say a lot for you. Political opinions arent needed, and furthermore I have no use for racism! If you feel that way keep it to yourself. Believe me that peta and hsus have people monitoring our site, and comments such as these do nothing more than fuel their fire. Want to stand up for the preservation of hound hunting, folks? Start with your self!

Now back to this topic. I have been trying to hold back, but can't any longer. I read above about the hide hunter collecting 300 a year with a dog that wouldnt tree, and those who had 2 dogs, yadda yadda. Those are great things to look back on with sentiment, but it's the past. Do some of you refuse to acknowledge the progress that has been made in the hound world? Given the right coon population and overlooking conservation, I promise you many could kill 300 or more a year in 1/2 the time. All breeds have come a long ways, and that's because of smart breeders, but there were bad breeders then that have been forgotten. Just as we will forget the bad ones of today. Many good points have been made throughout this discussion, and some need to take note. This is similar to argument about cheating handlers. Yes, there are crooks but do your hw and have the right dog, you want be cheated. The same could apply in breeding, do your hw and worry about your own hounds; you can't stop ppl from breeding trash. In ten years they will all be forgotten and there will be a brand new batch of trash for people to complain about, but I promise you the work of good breeders will still be going on and there you'll still be able to find a good dog.

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