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Posted by Oak Ridge on 12-29-2008 07:49 PM:

Re: Re: Top Dogs

quote:
Originally posted by smokey7
like ole oakie says, if you wanna see what a real dog is you must go with one of the "big 3". They know coondogs and they created coondogs. They have the coondogs and without them there would be no coondogs. All coondogs that were created were created by them and without the big 3 there are no dogs. Competition dogs are coondogs and coondogs are competition dogs. If you enter a hunt and lose, it's because you didn't contact the "big 3" first and you don't really have a true coondog. Because coondog's win and winning is coondogs. The state of Indiana owns the coondogs. If you want a coondog you must go to Indiana and submit your request to the "big 3". The big 3 are from Indiana and remember what i said before. They are for coondogs, about coondogs, by coondogs and they own all the coondogs. If you tree a coon with a dog it means nothing unless you got your dog from Indiana and it was approved through the "big 3". All transactions must be approved by them first or it is null and void. If your from somewhere besides Indiana and you tree a coon your just decieving yourself. You didn't really tree a coon. You just thought you did. That is, unless the dog on your lead came from one of the big 3 or was an approved transaction of the big 3. Once they say a dog is a coondog, then and only then is it a coondog. Not before. Now, it's nearly noon in the day and time for all us peasants to kneel and face northward toward Indiana and pray............

Jason,

Have you started your new years eve celebration a little early? Next time you walk past the medicine cabinet....open it up, and get back on your meds!

Seems that either your early celebration, or your unwillingness to actually READ what I post on here...making assumptions... If you go back and read, I said that there are good dogs everywhere...if you look for them.

Funny thing is...I already know Buck Brush, and we've hunted together. I bought a young female off him, and she got her UKC first on Saturday night at Walker days this past spring....High scoring opposite sex...Now I don't know if he thinks that what I follow every night is a "top dog" or not....and it would not change my interpretation of what a top dog is.

If you are trying to be a jerk...okay, so be it...have a good time. Please don't do what I've asked you not to do so many times...assume....that you know anything about me, elvis or JiM. I seem to remember that it was not all that long ago that I offered to pay your gas money up here, feed and house you, and pay your gas money back home....but you declined the offer..... I did that because I wanted you to see that there is more to treeing coon than can be found on the side of a hlll in North Georgia!

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Posted by Family on 12-29-2008 08:02 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by elvis
Smokey
One of these days when you talk about the big 3 you will be talking about the lumps on your head.

Ok laughing way to much for work...................

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Posted by Family on 12-29-2008 08:03 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Top Dogs

quote:
Originally posted by MikeO
read the first page on this thread, jim,elvis and joe.

I'm just an impartial, neutral party here so please no knots. i bruise and bleed easily plus i cry.

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Posted by Maniac on 12-29-2008 08:39 PM:

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Posted by Mike Van Dusen on 12-29-2008 08:50 PM:

Joe Newlin

Hi Joe, This is Mike Van Dusen, I am the man that sold you Millcreek Haley.I owned her and her littermate brother Butch.Butch is still at my house and I enjoy hunting him and he will eat my feed until he dies or some rich man gets foolish!
Buck Brush never owned Haley,I bought her from Pat Redmond,Pat started her and he bought her as a weanling pup from Carlton Mitchel.

Buck Brush is the username of my very good friend and hunting partner Skip Hartline.Skip is a good guy and no "beginner" to coon hunting.If you have any questions about this you can call Mike Van Dusen 219-326-7907 anytime or Skip Hartline 219-898-5725.

Posted by Oak Ridge on 12-29-2008 08:55 PM:

Mike,

I thought you were "Buck Brush"....based on the 219 area code, and another post on here that said he had a nephew of Dolly in his "back yard".....

I stand correctred

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Posted by Jerry Moll on 12-29-2008 08:59 PM:

Man am I ever sad now. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve always looked up to my elders Joe, Marv & Jim, but heck I live in Indiana and didn’t even get an honorable mention.

I also forgot to ask thee three for their approval before I started this last pup, it will probably be dud now.

I disagree with you about one thing Joe, that boy sure don’t need NO MORE DRUGS!!!

Posted by elvis on 12-29-2008 09:09 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jerry Moll
Man am I ever sad now. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve always looked up to my elders Joe, Marv & Jim, but heck I live in Indiana and didn’t even get an honorable mention.

I also forgot to ask thee three for their approval before I started this last pup, it will probably be dud now.

I disagree with you about one thing Joe, that boy sure don’t need NO MORE DRUGS!!!

No doubt it will be a dud Jerry. Just so happens im lookin fer a dud. Send him up.

ps. I dont think you wanna get into an elder debate. You were winning hunts when I was still in diapers.

Posted by Jerry Moll on 12-29-2008 09:16 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by elvis
No doubt it will be a dud Jerry. Just so happens im lookin fer a dud. Send him up.

Now Marv, you know it ain't no HE!

quote:
Originally posted by elvis
ps. I dont think you wanna get into an elder debate. You were winning hunts when I was still in diapers.

Wow, I'll bet you were the only Senior at Wawasee High Scool in diapers

Posted by buck brush on 12-29-2008 09:21 PM:

BOY ooo BOY

MY ? REALY GOT SOMETHING STARTED
JOE I'M NOT MIKE HE USES HIS NAME I USE MY KENNEL NAME IF YOU GO BACK SINCE THE EARLY 80S ANY DOG THAT HAS BUCK BRUSH IN FRONT OF ITS NAME BELONGED TO ME ( COON DOGS & RABBIT DOGS) THAT IS MY KENNEL NAME.
I ONLY ASKED WHAT PEOPLE CONCIDERD A TOP DOG JUST TO SEE WHAT OTHERS THOUGHT. I HAVE HUNTED DOGS FOR DR JAYCOX ( HE MIGHT BE BEFORE YOUR TIME) AND A MAN FROM NILES mICH. BC (CLO) ALFORD I HAVE MADE MANY NTCH GRNTCH FOR MR. ALFORD AND MYSELF.
2002 WALKER DAYS 4TH PLACE FRI. NIGHT NTCH WITH MY MAGGIE FEMALE 975+
2002 WALKER DAYS 3RD PLACE SAT NIGHT WITH MY COPPER DOG 1475+ ( IF I'M NOT WRONG ELVIS WON THAT HUNT sAT NIGHT)
I WON MICHIGAN STAE CHAMPION SHIP IN 1998 WITH A DOG BY THE MANE OF MILLS DOTTY 3 HUNTS IS WHAT I HAD HER IN 2 FIRST 1350 1ST PLACE MARCELLUS MICH. 2 WEEK LATER STATE HUNT 14871/2 FRI NIGHT 1ST PLACE , 975 SAT. NIGHT 2ND PLACE.
NOW I HERE EVERY ONE TALKING ABOUT TREE DOGS AND TRACK DOGS ON HERE YOU CAN GO BACK AND READ WHAT I SAID ABOUT A TOP DOG, YOU GIVE ME A DOG THAT WILL SPLIT TREE AND STAY NO MATER WHAT , EVEN IF IT IS NOT A FIRST STRIKE OR SCOND STRICK AND I WILL WIN WITH THAT DOG, SURE A FIRST STIKE DOG HELPS BUT IF YOU ARE GETTING FIRST AND FIRST ALL THE TIME ALL I HAVE TO DO IS SET BACK AND WAIT FOR THAT DOG TO TREE SOME SLICKS AND IT GOOD BY.
I HAVE HAD DOGS FOR 58 YEARS( MAYBE NOT AS LONG AS SOME) I KNOW WHAT A TOP DOG IS THAT IS WHY YOU WILL SEE ME AT THE HUNTS THIS YEAR.

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Posted by elvis on 12-29-2008 09:48 PM:

BuckBrush
Did you ever hunt Alibi for Cleo? What a mouth that dog had.
Cleo came here for a pleasure hunt about 15 yrs ago and I sure enjoyed it. I assume he has passed on to a better place by now.

Posted by buck brush on 12-29-2008 10:04 PM:

ELVIS

YES I'M THE ONE THAT MADE HIM A DUL NTCH UNTILL JUST LATLY HE WAS THE LOUDES MOUTH DOG I EVER HAD THE PLEASURE OF HUNTTING ONR NIGHT IN A HUNT WE WAS IN A LITTLE WOODS THAT HAD A TRAIN TRACK AT THE BACK OF IT AND A TRAIN CAME THROUGH AND HE WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TRACKS AND I STRUCK HIM AND TREED HIM WHEILE THE TRAIN WAS GOING THROUGH.
LIKE I SAID HE WAS THE LOUDES DOG UNTILL MIKE'S COMA BREAD YOUNG DOG THAT HE HAS AND CASH IS NOT FAR BEHIND HIM BY TIME HE GETS HIS FULL MOUTH HE WILL BE JUST AS LOUD IF NOT LOUDER

YES CLEO PASSED AWAY ABOUT A MOUNTH AGO I HAD ASKED YOU EARLYER TO LET RUSS KNOW BUT I ALWAYS CALLED HIM BC HE WAS IN HIS 80S HE WAS A VERY GOOD MAN AND PWENED SOME ASSOME DOGS.

MIKE AND I HAVE BEEN HUNTTING PRETTY HARD THE COON ARE MOVEING GOOD CALL ME OR HIM AND WE WILL SET UP A HUNT IF YOU WANT TO GO ANY NIGHT YOU WANT.

Posted by Mike Van Dusen on 01-01-2009 05:30 PM:

ALIBI

[QUOTE]Originally posted by elvis
[B]BuckBrush
Did you ever hunt Alibi for Cleo? What a mouth that dog had.
Cleo came here for a pleasure hunt about 15 yrs ago and I sure enjoyed it.

Elvis, here is a picture of Alfred`s Alibi, looks too me like he was a TREEEEDOG!

Here is another dog Cleo owned named Boss, Skip bought Boss from Cleo and hunted him for years.

Posted by harper english on 01-01-2009 07:53 PM:

thers about to be a cross made in the hills of north ga between 2 dogs that were bought out of indiana what will that make them

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Posted by evan ashley on 01-01-2009 09:03 PM:

I heard one of them came from the big 3 Mr. Joe

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Posted by jda on 01-01-2009 09:23 PM:

i can think of 7 different dogs in wisconsin that are capable of winning the big dance...

Posted by smokey7 on 01-01-2009 09:43 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by harper english
thers about to be a cross made in the hills of north ga between 2 dogs that were bought out of indiana what will that make them

If that cross and those transactions were approved by the Indiana big 3 then you may have something there. Course, for those dogs or there offspring to really have any competition then you'll need to take them back home to Indiana where they come from. These southern dogs just aren't in the same class as that caliber of dog you have there. If a 7 month old puppy can tree a coon in Indiana and it's notorized and approved by the Indiana big 3 then that same puppy at 7 months old can come to Georgia and put any dog down here to shame. Look at it like this, those coondogs up there can tree a coon every 5 minutes for a solid 2 or 3 hours. These so called dogs down here can't come close to that.

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Posted by smokey7 on 01-01-2009 10:05 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Top Dogs

quote:
Originally posted by Oak Ridge
Jason,

Have you started your new years eve celebration a little early? Next time you walk past the medicine cabinet....open it up, and get back on your meds!

Seems that either your early celebration, or your unwillingness to actually READ what I post on here...making assumptions... If you go back and read, I said that there are good dogs everywhere...if you look for them.

Funny thing is...I already know Buck Brush, and we've hunted together. I bought a young female off him, and she got her UKC first on Saturday night at Walker days this past spring....High scoring opposite sex...Now I don't know if he thinks that what I follow every night is a "top dog" or not....and it would not change my interpretation of what a top dog is.

If you are trying to be a jerk...okay, so be it...have a good time. Please don't do what I've asked you not to do so many times...assume....that you know anything about me, elvis or JiM. I seem to remember that it was not all that long ago that I offered to pay your gas money up here, feed and house you, and pay your gas money back home....but you declined the offer..... I did that because I wanted you to see that there is more to treeing coon than can be found on the side of a hlll in North Georgia!

Have a happy New Year~!

I would reply to you directly Mr. Oakie the Great but I know that is against the by-laws and constitutions. I will merely bow my lowly non-coondog knowing head and submit a request through the proper channels requesting permission to converse with you at a later point in time on this thread here. I can only hope to one day have a fraction of your omnipotent coondog knowledge.

Posted by smokey7 on 01-02-2009 03:38 PM:

Where have the big 3 gone off to????

Posted by Vic Stoll on 01-02-2009 05:58 PM:

Silence

Funny how quiet it gets when the fact is brought out that an all expenxe paid trip was offered but never accepted. If my feeble mind recalls correctly, the sheeps long lost father jim/john vaught was offered the exact same thing to see Jet 8 & one of the B&D dogs hunt together. Jim/John had been stirring the pot about those two hounds, but when the bluff was called, it got real quiet! LOL I do think that some prefer to to keep the old cyber hunter $hit pot stirred and bubbling rather than remove the rose colored glasses, emerge from the glass house and actually go to a real woods and hunt. In the meantime, I am going to continue my search for one of those year round 95% accurate coon treeing machines! LMAO!

Posted by smokey7 on 01-02-2009 11:05 PM:

Re: Silence

quote:
Originally posted by Vic Stoll
Funny how quiet it gets when the fact is brought out that an all expenxe paid trip was offered but never accepted. If my feeble mind recalls correctly, the sheeps long lost father jim/john vaught was offered the exact same thing to see Jet 8 & one of the B&D dogs hunt together. Jim/John had been stirring the pot about those two hounds, but when the bluff was called, it got real quiet! LOL I do think that some prefer to to keep the old cyber hunter $hit pot stirred and bubbling rather than remove the rose colored glasses, emerge from the glass house and actually go to a real woods and hunt. In the meantime, I am going to continue my search for one of those year round 95% accurate coon treeing machines! LMAO!

Indiana is off limits. 99% of all real coonhunters are originally from there. However, that 1% that are allowed to migrate there are only allowed to do so if given an official invitation. And even then it's not recommened. They'll go back home and realize that the only coondog they ever saw or ever will see was in a far off state. I say, why put myself through all that depression.

Posted by Vic Stoll on 01-03-2009 05:18 PM:

LOL

Now I understand! There's no place like home.............the cyber woods of North Georgia!

Posted by elvis on 01-03-2009 08:00 PM:

Re: ALIBI

quote:
Originally posted by Mike Van Dusen
[QUOTE]Originally posted by elvis
[B]

Elvis, here is a picture of Alfred`s Alibi, looks too me like he was a TREEEEDOG!

Great pic Mike and Skip. My gawd what a treedog he was.
At one time there were quite a few of those blackheaded Alibi pups around and not too long ago i saw him in the 3rd generation on a set of papers but absolutely cant remember what dog it was.
Anyhow, thanks for that blast from the past.

Ps. I believe the last dog Arden Brown owned before his death was a dog called Ranger that Im thinking was one of the last out of Alibi and ranks up there with the loudest ive ever heard.

Posted by buck brush on 01-03-2009 08:42 PM:

ALIBI

ELVIS CLEO BOUGHT A DOG FROM ARDEN THAT WAS OUT OF ALIBI HE CAKKED HIM SAM HE WAS A GOOD DOG ALSO JUST A LITTLE TIGHT MOUTH ON THE GROUND BUT WAS A VERY GOOD TREE DOG, THE YOUTS GOT HIM ONE NIGHT AND PUT 110 STICHES IN HIM WHEN CLEO STARTED GETTING PRETTY BAD HE GAVE HIM TO ME AND I LET A YOUNG BOY HAVE HIM AND HE HUNTTED HIM FOR 2 OR 3 YRS THEN THE DOG DIED.

Posted by Jonathan Crump on 01-03-2009 08:57 PM:

Top Dogs

CORN Everywhere & then the feeders for those that do use feeders. I would love to go up in that part of the country and hunt. Wisconsin (what I've seen)was beautiful around the farms.

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