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Posted by reddogg68 on 12-05-2007 11:22 PM:

LSU

Just what was so impressive toward the end of the year about LSU.They went 5-2 to finish the year.Are they really as fast as you think?Do they have anybody faster than Ted Ginn was last year?OSU does.Years ago southern teams were faster but now all major colleges have kids from southern states.Last year was a different year if the SEC is so great they would just dominate the bowl games when they play every year but they dont.

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Posted by Rip on 12-06-2007 02:30 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by 5 speed
FYI, The "t" that you speak of started with NFL players doing their intros on Monday night football. The Ohio state Alum starting saying "THEE" Ohio State University. Then Cryami players started calling themselves "the U". It had, nor has anything to do with the blatant PI/ defensive holding/face mask called on January 3rd, 2003.

Sorry 5-Speed, that "The" came after internet users were using the little tOSU to indicate Terry Porters Tainted Title. That's just how it was. Sorry you didn't know that, many tOSU fans jumped all over it because they have been known as The Ohio State University, but the subscript small t in tOSU used on the net has always meant "Tainted Title." I just think it's funny every time an OSU fan mistakenly uses it.

As for as the SEC OOC schedule, you better think again cause Tennessee has one of the toughest schedules year in and year out of ANY team in the country. It's usually top 10 or so in strength. Of course that's because they go play UCLA, CAL, Notre Dame, Miami etc OOC, and they play them HOME AND AWAY.

tOSU beat LSU in the shoe. tOSU is 0-8 against bowl SEC teams and what 0-2 or 0-3 against Granny Holtz led South Carolina? Gotta LMBO at that, 0-2 against South Carolina when they were the bottom feeders of the SEC East.

If you lost that many bowl games playing the middle of the pack/top of the SEC then where did your wins come from Vandy?

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Posted by Rip on 12-06-2007 02:40 AM:

Re: LSU

quote:
Originally posted by reddogg68
Just what was so impressive toward the end of the year about LSU.They went 5-2 to finish the year.Are they really as fast as you think?Do they have anybody faster than Ted Ginn was last year?OSU does.Years ago southern teams were faster but now all major colleges have kids from southern states.Last year was a different year if the SEC is so great they would just dominate the bowl games when they play every year but they dont.

They usuall DO dominate the bowl games every year.

Of course it is tougher now that they changed the selections after they went TWO YEARS having lost only one bowl game (something like 15-1 in bowl games over 2 years). That was back when they matched them up pretty close 3 of one conference vs 3 of the SEC.

Now it's more like Conference Champoion vs SEC#3, Big 10 #2 vs SEC #5 etc. That way the other conferences have a chance (they actually did say they changed it to make the games more competitive so you can read between the lines).

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Posted by reddogg68 on 12-06-2007 02:47 AM:

bcs

Which team has won the most BCS games?Which teams have played in the most BCS games?The SEC has many good teams but they are not heads and shoulders above the rest.Many of the opinions are based on last years title game but that was 1 game.

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Posted by Len Machen on 12-06-2007 03:22 AM:

OH, HOW SOON WE FORGET. "THE BEAR" AT ALABAMA DOMINATED EVERBODY ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. HE IS THE REASON THERE IS SO MANY SEC HATERS. THEY KICKED YOUR BUTT AND DIDN'T CARE IF THEY GOT YOUR NAME OR NOT. THE ONE THING CAN'T BE ARGUED IS WHICH CONFERENCE HAS THE MOST BOWL WINS? I STATED ONE HERE BEFORE YES THERE IS GOOD TEAMS IN OTHER CONFERENCES, JUST NOT AS MANY AS IS IN THE SEC.

Posted by 5 speed on 12-06-2007 06:36 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Rip
Sorry 5-Speed, that "The" came after internet users were using the little tOSU to indicate Terry Porters Tainted Title. That's just how it was. Sorry you didn't know that, many tOSU fans jumped all over it because they have been known as The Ohio State University, but the subscript small t in tOSU used on the net has always meant "Tainted Title." I just think it's funny every time an OSU fan mistakenly uses it.

As for as the SEC OOC schedule, you better think again cause Tennessee has one of the toughest schedules year in and year out of ANY team in the country. It's usually top 10 or so in strength. Of course that's because they go play UCLA, CAL, Notre Dame, Miami etc OOC, and they play them HOME AND AWAY.

tOSU beat LSU in the shoe. tOSU is 0-8 against bowl SEC teams and what 0-2 or 0-3 against Granny Holtz led South Carolina? Gotta LMBO at that, 0-2 against South Carolina when they were the bottom feeders of the SEC East.

If you lost that many bowl games playing the middle of the pack/top of the SEC then where did your wins come from Vandy?

As per urbandictionary.com

1. tosu
THE Ohio State University

That is the only reference to this on the net that I could find. As for where tOSU beat LSU,,, who cares. A loss is a loss. Ohio State is going to play a home game with LSU next month. Is it a loss if they don't win? What if it is in overtime? (ask Les Miles. Those don't count)

What is strength of schedule?

The primary difficulty in ranking college football teams is that each team's performance must be evaluated relative to a different schedule. Strength of schedule becomes a key component in doing so: other things (usually wins and losses) being equal, we'd rank a team with a more difficult schedule higher than one with an easier one. But what makes a schedule difficult?

Most strength of schedule measures rely on the average quality of a team's opponents. For example the Ratings Percentage Index (RPI) is a weighted average of a team's winning percentage, their opponents' collective winning percentage and their opponents' opponents' collective winning percentage. Though no longer used, the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) contained a strength of schedule component which was a weighted average of opponents' winning percentage and opponents' opponents' winning percentage.

There are two serious problems with using an average measure like opponents' winning percentage (or variants thereof):

1. Average measures don't account for differences in games played.
2. Some average schedules are easier than others.

We'll illustrate these issues with a pair of examples.

Example #1: First, consider Auburn's 2004 season. Originally slated to face Bowling Green (at the time a Top-25 team from the respected Mid-American Conference), Auburn scrambled to schedule I-AA the Citadel to fill the slot after Bowling Green backed out to play Oklahoma instead. This game hurt the Tigers' strength of schedule and made it easier to dismiss them in the national championship conversation (which almost entirely revolved around Southern Cal and, ironically, Oklahoma). While Auburn was unlikely to lose to the Citadel, they were even less likely to lose to a bye week, however by considering opponents' average strength Auburn's strength of schedule was lower than had they simply not played at all.

Example #2: The other problem with averages is they don't contain any information about the variation in schedule composition. For instance, suppose there are three types of teams: good, average, and bad. If two teams have the same classification, each team has a 50% chance of winning a head-to-head game. Further, let's assume: (1) good teams beat average teams 75% of the time, (2) good teams beat bad teams 95% of the time and (3) average teams beat bad teams 80% of the time. Now consider these two schedules:

S1 = {Good, Good, Good, Bad, Bad, Bad}
S2 = {Average, Average, Average, Average, Average, Average}

Both schedules have the same average difficulty, but depending on how good your team is, you might prefer one to another. If you were a good team, you would prefer the second schedule because you could expect to win 4.5 games and lose 1.5 vs. winning 4.35 games and losing 1.65 against the first one. However, if you were a bad team, you'd prefer schedule number 1, since you would win 1.65 games on average vs. 1.6 games for schedule 2.

Now, what does all this mean?? Nothing. That is why they play the games.

Posted by reddogg68 on 12-06-2007 11:14 AM:

bowls

There is a big difference in OSU's bowl record during the Tressel era compared to the Cooper era.

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Posted by kuhndogg80 on 12-06-2007 08:17 PM:

O-H-I-O

umm....ok.. typical sec people spoutin off at the mouth. who seriously cheers for a whole conference? you see us ohio state fans wanting michigan to win? not me. or you think i give a crap about iowa, msu, purdue. etc.. get a life. get some knowledge.. watch some games outside of the "south" check some ohio state players 40 times then tell me they are slow. check some nfl rosters and see how many osu players you find then compare to your team. k then bring some stats. dont bring me that sec supremecy junk because its garbage. bama fans bear is gone.. lol quit living in the past. GO BUCKS

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Posted by Ray&Luie on 12-06-2007 08:48 PM:

last year

All i have to do is watch last years champship game to know how slow Ohio State is , that was unreal, first play the guy run it back for a TD , and Celebration in the end Zone, hes hurt by his own team mates, last you see of him hes headed for the locker room , after that its all GATOR ! O St never Got closer after that it was a Big time Blow out , and yawl want to talk about Speed hehe !
and last year yawl had The best Q B in the Country
Im sorry im just a GATOR ! and our Friend Emitt Smith Said once a GATOR Always A GATOR !!! ................. Goooooooooo GATORS !!
SEC Rules lol CHOMP! CHOMP! CHOMP !

Posted by Buckshot on 12-06-2007 08:49 PM:

Re: O-H-I-O

quote:
Originally posted by kuhndogg80
check some ohio state players 40 times then tell me they are slow.

On January 8th of this year, I had the chance to sit down and watch a complete Ohio State game. If that is what you call fast, that is what us SEC fans call slow.

Florida outgained the Buckeyes 370 yards to 82, led in first downs 21-8 and time of possession 40:48 to 19:12.

They may be fast against their conference opponents, but Ohio State and the Heisman Winning QB were very slow against an SEC opponent.

4/14 for 35 yards and 1 INT from the Heisman winning QB was an emabarrasment in itself.

I do not need to check them 40 times............I seen enough on January 8th of this year to tell me they are slow.

If Ohio State played in conference such as the SEC, they wouldn't look as fast as you think.

Ohio State is 0-8 Against the SEC in Bowl Games over a 30 year period.

Posted by kuhndogg80 on 12-06-2007 09:32 PM:

SEC rules

osu didnt show up ready to play....plain and simple..shouldn't happen again

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Posted by Ray&Luie on 12-06-2007 09:48 PM:

LSU

LSU is not the team they where last year but yawl had better pack a lunch if yawl gona beatum cause if they are healthy they are Good, and playing in New Orleans just makes them that much better lol you had better wear ear plugs and a head set too lol
Legend says they turn the lights down low and turn the tiger loss on the apossing teams side line lol

Posted by rance56 on 12-06-2007 10:03 PM:

florida definetly had more team speed than osu, i think it was magnified by osu having such a long layoff from playing a game. you cant replicate game speed in practice. also, meyer really outcoached tressel that game. with such long layoffs, its not uncommon for blowouts to take place in bowl games between teams that would normally being closely mathced.

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Posted by reddogg68 on 12-06-2007 11:16 PM:

speed

The SEC teams are fast but not physically intimidating.Ill say OSU has 3 players faster than anyone LSU has the difference I see in speed is on the line and it just shows 2 different types of football.OSU is not slow but is larger and stronger on the O-line LSU has a quicker but less strongline.For the people who brag on Bear Bryant he was a good coach in his day but would be not be tolerated today.

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Posted by Vic Stoll on 12-06-2007 11:20 PM:

SEC National Championships

A lot of talk of what a FAST, AWESOME, & DOMINATING conference the SEC is. I am not up on college football stats, but maybe someone can share how many National Championships the SEC has under their belt in the last 15 or so years compared to all the other "Lesser" Conferences.

Posted by Rip on 12-07-2007 02:26 AM:

5 speed, I am in no way disputing that OSU is The Ohio State University. The thing is the small t only came about after the Terry Porter Tainted Title. Until then on the net/typed out it was only OSU. You gotta ask yourself, why is Terry Porter the only official that anybody knows? Because he gave the title game away, nobody knows who the officials were in last years title game, but nobody that follows CFB doesn't know the name Terry Porter.

As for SEC NC in the last 15 years I can think of Bama, LSU (they did NOT split, USC signed the same paper everybody else did stating they would only recognize the Sears Trophy awarded by the BCS), Tennessee, Florida (2) and Auburn (they got awarded a couple of NC the year they got screwed out of beating USC but leave them out if you want it wasn't AP) just off the top of my head since 92. In that same time period the Big Ten had 1.5 (Michigan split with Nebraska) that I can think of.

So that's 6 National Championships for the SEC, (5 if you don't count Auburns, which media bias and anti SEC feelings after them winning so much is the only reason they didn't get to whip USC that year) to 1.5 for the Big 10 in that same time period just from memory.

A few years ago, like 98 or so, I was looking at the all time Bowl wins.

1. Bama, 2. Tennessee, 3. USC at that time 7 out of the top 14 teams in bowl wins were SEC teams.

That has changed some because USC has now passed Tennessee again, but I bet if you looked it up it would still be half or better SEC teams. Says alot to win that many bowl games compared to the rest of the entire Nation.

Now that they have the SEC playing up more (#5 vs other conference #2 etc) it may even out more but over half the all time bowl wins? That's impressive no matter who you are.

BTW, this is just fun guys, I did have one serious post about matchups but nobody seemed to want to talk about that LOL.

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Posted by reddogg68 on 12-07-2007 02:54 AM:

sec

By the way I stumbled onto a site that ranked the ncaa schools by major infractions and the SEC has the top 2.
http://www.fanblogs.com/ncaa/007054.php

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Posted by 5 speed on 12-07-2007 06:55 AM:

Hey Rip,
I didn't know that you wanted to talk about "all time" stats. We can do that too.

How about how many SEC teams are on the all time wins list? None in the top 6 however, there are three Big Ten teams in the top 6. Michigan, Ohio State and Penn state. Alabama would be 7th.

You might say, for some reason that is not a fair comparison. OK, lets talk about all time winning percentage. Hmmm, again no SEC team in the top 5 however, there are two Big Ten teams. #1 Michigan (it makes me want to puke just typing that) winning .744% and #3 Ohio State winning .713% of all the games they ever played.

As for the SEC winning more bowl games than anyone, ya ever wonder how many they have played in???????
Number of bowl games played:
SEC 352
Big 12 304
ACC 268
Big Ten 246
Pac 10 214
Big East 100

So, would it stand to reason that the SEC has won more bowl games when they played in so many more bowls? The Big Ten allowed only one team to go to any bowl up until 1976. If you didn't win the conference, you stayed home. That would restrict the number of total games from the Big Ten. Oh, and the ACC has the highest winning percentage of them all.

As for Number of National Championships won by teams:
There is one SEC team in the top 15. Alabama. There are four Big ten teams in the top 15.

Let's talk about all time National Championships by conference then,,,,,,, Sorry SEC. The Big Ten has the most with 24.

Now bring on the hate.

Posted by Buckshot on 12-07-2007 01:23 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by 5 speed

Let's talk about all time National Championships by conference then,,,,,,, Sorry SEC. The Big Ten has the most with 24.

Now bring on the hate.

You need recheck your stats as the SEC has more National Champions than any other Conference.

Posted by 5 speed on 12-07-2007 04:15 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Buckshot
You need recheck your stats as the SEC has more National Champions than any other Conference.

My stats are quite correct. You called me out on this one, of course you can prove me wrong, right?

Oh, and don't link me to a site where the SEC homers think that college football started in 1936. I thought that was funny...."since 1936, the SEC has the most Nat. Champs"... Cracks me up.

Posted by Len Machen on 12-07-2007 04:18 PM:

reddog,

I do not know any of the times for the OSU pLayers but the fastest college football player plays for LSU , T. Holiday runs a 4.2 40 and a 10.02 100 meters. The only person to out run him won the 100m at the NCAA track meet last year and he does not play football. The times of the other backs are K. Williams 4.3 (40), Scott 4.4 (40), Hester 4.5 (40), Flynn 4.5 (40). For Hesters size and power that is pretty fast. All of LSU db 's run 4.3-4.4. If OSU has faster players than that they need to be on the USA Olympic track team or just turn pro track athletes. OSU probably has players that can match the LSU times but to say they are faster, I'll just have to see that with their times the way they are.

Posted by 5 speed on 12-07-2007 04:30 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Len Machen
reddog,

I do not know any of the times for the OSU pLayers but the fastest college football player plays for LSU , T. Holiday runs a 4.2 40 and a 10.02 100 meters. The only person to out run him won the 100m at the NCAA track meet last year and he does not play football. The times of the other backs are K. Williams 4.3 (40), Scott 4.4 (40), Hester 4.5 (40), Flynn 4.5 (40). For Hesters size and power that is pretty fast. All of LSU db 's run 4.3-4.4. If OSU has faster players than that they need to be on the USA Olympic track team or just turn pro track athletes. OSU probably has players that can match the LSU times but to say they are faster, I'll just have to see that with their times the way they are.

*NOTE* All measurements were taken from the official depth charts. The 40 times were taken from the Rivals Recruit Database. Obviously there can be differences in 40 times so I used ONE single source for them ... some of these players might have increased speed and what not but again ... I'm trying to be fair and use a single source.

LSU Offense

Average Height: 6'2
Average Weight: 260lbs
Average 40 time: 4.78

Ohio State Offense

Average Height: 6'4
Average Weight: 266lbs
Average 40 time: 4.83

LSU Defense

Average Height: 6'2
Average Weight: 234lbs
Average 40 time: 4.65

Ohio State Defense

Average Height: 6'2
Average Weight: 237lbs
Average 40 time: 4.62

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LSU O-Line

Average Height: 6'4
Average Weight: 306lbs
Average 40 time: 5.04

Ohio State D-Line

Average Height: 6'5
Average Weight: 278lbs
Average 40 time: 4.81

VS

Ohio State O-Line

Average Height: 6'6
Average Weight: 316lbs
Average 40 time: 5.12

LSU D-Line

Average Height: 6'2
Average Weight: 287lbs
Average 40 time: 4.84

Conclusion: This whole "speed" vs "power" matchup the media is trying to hype is a bunch of BS. There isn't honestly a big difference physically between these two teams. The line matchups will be interesting to watch.

LSU's O-line on average is 1 inch shorter, 28lbs heavier, and .23 seconds slower than OSU's D-line.

Ohio State's O-line on average is 4 inches taller, 29lbs heavier, and .28 seconds slower than LSU's D-line.

Posted by reddogg68 on 12-07-2007 04:30 PM:

times

If he runs that fast thats great I was unaware of that.Brandon Saine broke Ted Ginns records with a 10.2 100 Ray Small and Maurice Wells are right with him.Last year Ginn was hailed the fastest player in college football by many .

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Posted by kuhndogg80 on 12-07-2007 06:51 PM:

slow

nice 5 speed....but it is useless... they are in their own little world down here. i moved to florida in august and as much as they say they love football......its false

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Posted by Rip on 12-08-2007 05:02 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by 5 speed
Hey Rip,
I didn't know that you wanted to talk about "all time" stats. We can do that too.

You must not be willing to do that because your stats are incorrect.

See if you talk about ALL TIME then the Ivy League, Notre Dame, and the Service schools dominate that.

People for get that for many, many years they "gave" the national championship to whoever had the best record among the Ivy League and midwest regardless of actually on the field accomplishments.

Remember a man named General Neyland? He had the last team that was UNSCORED UPON, that team held the #1 team in the land SCORELESS that year, not once but TWICE, the second time when Neylands team was #2, so it was a #1 vs #2 matchup, #2 held #1 scoreless winning the game and they awarded the national championship the next week to the team that was #3 or so with a loss. WTF????? Neyland had taken on #1 two times and held all teams scoreless and he didn't get the AP NC.

This is the same time that a quarterback with a LOSING record was "awarded" the heistman. That is the era of Little 10 dominance, if you want to count those "gifts" then so be it, the love affair with the little 10 and the media didn't just start in the 90's when they changed how they matched the SEC up with other teams cause they wanted it to be more "competitive", it has always been that way. The reason 1936 is used so much and is considered the "modern" era is becasue the love affair with the little 10 was so strong before that that things like the above happened every year. A little 10 team could be stomped by a different team and at the end of the year the little 10 team would get the NC and the team that kicked their @$$ could be undefeated and finish 3rd behind 2 little 10 teams or ND that they had beaten.

Thats why we love it so much every time the little 10 is exposed by the Appilachian States of the world.

tOSU, 5th in the SEC.

i heh

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