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with ozark nellie after pat melloy bought her from wick, she had a nose and new how to use it. i seen her cold trail coon thru marshes up in northern wis that other dogs could not open on and end up under the coon. the other dogs still couldn't tree cause they couldn't locate where the coon was. i think she was 12 yrs old or more the nights i hunted with her.

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Originally posted by truly
i just wish he were looking more for a specific hunting trait than a specific color pattern. in my opinion this would be a more noble cause.

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Mr Wick is talking about genetics that go back more than 6 or even 7 generations. That far back, the only thing that will still showup with any regularity is physical charecteristics. Coloration, flagtails, eye color, etc. The hunting charecteristics are so mixed after that many generations that you can't no way expect to breed for any particular "Preacher" hunting style. As for the "Preacher" color pattern, heck, half the Walkerdogs out there today are blanket backed tri-color dogs. The Preacher look is common amongst Walkers today. You get it often as not without even trying.

Jim , the first Treeing Walkers were Running Walkers that fell out of races and sold because of it according to Lester Nance.

Doesn't that mean that all Treeing Walkers today go back to those traits in the few foundation Walkers that Nance bred ..... and not back to the Running Walker side ?

That has to be an example of a dog or few dogs having some traits that set them apart from the breed and change it for many generations after they are gone .

I know you can pick some traits by color or looks ... when you see a flag tailed , glass eyed , open spotted Walker - do you think he won't be a different kind of dog on the inside than his typical littermates that look like normal Walkers ?

To Chiggers: Wow! Get in touch with me. I know every dog you mentioned there. As you said, Preacher’s back there at least five or six times. You might have a dog there that has a real future if you’re interested in going in that direction.

[/B][/QUOTE] Yes Im interested. Ill call you. Im kind of at a standstill as to where to go next. Do you still have the decendents from the Raven - Billy cross? Dale had a nice young dog out of that cross WAY back then, I know its not Preacher but Im just curious. Calmness around the Kennel and Temperment would be my two main concerns. The pups out of this cross have the temperment Im after, but I have had a few problems over the years, probably from a white dog that is in there a few times. I am still working on the calmness part. Thanks

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Originally posted by JiM
Mr Wick is talking about genetics that go back more than 6 or even 7 generations. That far back, the only thing that will still showup with any regularity is physical charecteristics. Coloration, flagtails, eye color, etc. The hunting charecteristics are so mixed after that many generations that you can't no way expect to breed for any particular "Preacher" hunting style. As for the "Preacher" color pattern, heck, half the Walkerdogs out there today are blanket backed tri-color dogs. The Preacher look is common amongst Walkers today. You get it often as not without even trying.

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Here is a good example of what Paul Jefferies Preacher dogs look like.

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I guess I never knew where the look came from.
Now that it's been brought up, I think the best dogs of mine have looked like this too.

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bruce, hows it going? you had several hounds over the years that color. what was your recollection of the style that preacher dogs hunted? i had always thought they were a bit like your old mable dog? ben

nt.ch bud

now thats a preacher looking dog i have seen alot of them at pauls.

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Originally posted by Dan Dogs
with ozark nellie after pat melloy bought her from wick, she had a nose and new how to use it. i seen her cold trail coon thru marshes up in northern wis that other dogs could not open on and end up under the coon. the other dogs still couldn't tree cause they couldn't locate where the coon was. i think she was 12 yrs old or more the nights i hunted with her.

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Hey John, Don Agee and I owned 2 females in the 80's that where out of "Runover Preacher", which was a son of "Ozark Preacher". These females were "Bluegrass Jewel and Wicked Wendy". Their dam was a sister to "House's Tom Tom". They both would tree coons and were nice pleasure dogs. They were medium hunters and fairly hot nosed. When they treed they had a coon. They were naturally trash free. Both of these female had excellent confirmation. They were both Gr.Ch. on the bench. They both carried the "Preacher color". The Jewel female was an outstanding reproducer. She was bred to Gr.Nt.Ch.Hall's Ringo, Gr.Nt.Ch.House's Cruze, Gr.Nt.Ch.House's Lipper, Gr.Nt.Ch. Burning Fork Jim, and Agee's Tomahawk. These are the crosses I remember. I think she was bred a couple of more times. She produced COONDOGS from each cross. Wendy was bred to Gr.Nt.Ch.Burning Fork Jim but didn't reproduce the same type dogs as Jewel. Don sold Wendy after making the cross. We found that the Preacher blood seemed to cross real well on the House blood. The dogs I have today go back to the Jewel and Cruze cross. Jewel and Wendy both throwed the "Preacher color", regardless of what color stud dog you would get about 70% "Preacher colored" dogs. I have owned several other "Preacher bred" dogs over the years but my favorites where the ones out of Jewel. My honest opinion about the "Preacher dogs" is that they were not as flashy as some of the other lines. They were somewhat lazy at times but they were very easy to train. They didn't tree 120 barks a minute up on the tree. They stood at the roots of the tree and would and could tree with anything. They didn't slick tree. They were smart. I liked them then and I like them now. I don't know what Ole Preacher had in him. I have had people say that he was from a Trigg cross somewhere back in his pedigree. What ever he was I believe he has had a MAJOR impact on the Walker breed. I believe he passed on what we need more of in our breeding program, "BRAINS".

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DOES THIS DOG GO BACK TO PREACHER? I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PREACHER LINE, SO I DONT KNOW WHO ARE DECENDANTS AND WHO ISNT.

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---------------GRCH'PR' Price's Pine Creek Misty

HE'S THROWING QUITE A BIT OF THESE "PREACHER" COLORED DOGS.

I KNOW SKEAN'S DOLLY WAS PREACHER COLORED, AND SO WAS MAPLE RIDGE RUDY.

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I for one would support any effort to intensify the best characteristics of the Preacher dogs. Acuracy, Brains, Handle,Temperment and plain old coon treeing ablility.

Something happened when John crossed Preacher with a Banjo female (Morgan's Missy,House's Tom x Farris' Paducha) later owned by me). The additions to made to our current dogs that resulted primarily through Shmersal's Queen were added intelegence, independence, a better handle, more locating ability, and a different kind of pressure tree dog. Many of the other lines held pressure on tree because of possesiveness. The Preacher dogs just didn't care what the other dogs did. That independence created more big winners and therefore promoted the Stylish line. No line of dogs that I am aware of were or are any more accuurate that the Preacher dogs.

To the question, is it too diluted to revive. All DNA comes from somewhere and without a dout the Preacher influence is still around or the color woul be gone. It's just a matter of breeding to intensify those characteristic once again. The color just tells you that at least on of them is present.

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I for one would support any effort to intensify the best characteristics of the Preacher dogs. Acuracy, Brains, Handle,Temperment and plain old coon treeing ablility.

Something happened when John crossed Preacher with a Banjo female (Morgan's Missy,House's Tom x Farris' Paducha) later owned by me). The additions to made to our current dogs that resulted primarily through Shmersal's Queen were added intelegence, independence, a better handle, more locating ability, and a different kind of pressure tree dog. Many of the other lines held pressure on tree because of possesiveness. The Preacher dogs just didn't care what the other dogs did. That independence created more big winners and therefore promoted the Stylish line. No line of dogs that I am aware of were or are any more accuurate that the Preacher dogs.

To the question, is it too diluted to revive. All DNA comes from somewhere and without a dout the Preacher influence is still around or the color woul be gone. It's just a matter of breeding to intensify those characteristic once again. The color just tells you that at least on of them is present.

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Hi everyone. It's John's secretary, Lisa, again posting the following response for him:

To Mr. Doug Cheek: Notice I said mister. Anyone who has won the ACHA World Championship deserves to be called mister. Oh yeah, by the way, that World Champion had Preacher in him at least three times and not too far back on his mother’s side, right? Doug, I’d like to hear from you. If you can get me a price and a pedigree, there’s a good chance I’ll know someone who would be interested in her.

Hello Mr. Bright. I better call you mister too. I’d say the dog you’re referring to was Ozark Tanner, a son of Preacher. You see ole Preacher didn’t make it to the 80’s. He was running around my yard playing with some puppies and appeared to be in perfect health. Suddenly he just walked into his dog box, laid down, and was dead.

Sorry to burst your bubble, Fred, but I doubt there were Black and Tans back there. Trigg Foxhounds, probably. And do you know a lot of those Triggs were and still are tree dogs? Out west, lots of people use them to run and tree bobcats and grey foxes.

To Al Jackson: Oops. I saw you said the things I just said.

To Jim: Jim, I wish I could sit down with you and go through some pedigrees. He’s sure back there a bunch and many five and six generation peds will show him a few times. But yes, time is flying and every year and a half we can get another generation of dogs so it sure can put a good dog way back there amazingly fast. That’s why I’m trying to bring this subject up for discussion. It’s been on my “to do” list for about fifteen years. I’ve just been so darn busy that I just kept putting it off. I see pedigrees in the magazines all the time where if they just went one more generation, you’d see Preacher. Often times, I’m talking about four generation pedigrees. Sometimes it’s a ways back, but we’re not talking about “ancient” history, just history.

To Sheepster: That’s exactly right.

To Ohme: Yes sir, you’re right. Queen’s momma was a beautiful Preacher-colored dog that helped out. I think we can all agree on that, right?

To B. Hubbard: Yes, it could easy be that he’s back there seven generations. There’s another sad reality to all of this. It’s that I’ve seen several obviously Preacher-colored dogs that did not have Preacher anywhere in their pedigree. What’s that mean? It means the papers aren’t right. Sometime I’ll tell you folks about the two litters that Preacher sired that were not registered to him but ended up under different papers by a couple crooks. I learned a valuable lesson, and I’ll write about it someday. But those Preacher dogs, like many others, went on to produce quite a few dogs that had the color and the good hunting characteristics, but ole Preacher never got a speck of the credit.

To Fox Farms: I’ve got gobs of them here in my office. Many, many pictures I’d love to share. Hopefully, some of the computer knowledgeable hunters will share their’s in the meantime.

To Josh: Yes sir, you’re about right. Fifth and sixth generation is where you’ll often find it. You’ll often find it once in the fourth, twice in the sixth, and maybe another time or two in the seventh or eighth. There are an amazing amount of dogs that have him several times back there so surely that means those dogs are a little stronger in it than the ones who have him only once.

To J. Wittenborn: Yep, I used to hunt with ole Reverend pretty regular, as well as many other sons, daughters, grand pups, great grand pups, and great, great grand pups. Most of the Preacher descendents were medium sized and medium built. A few were a little taller and rangier, but in general they were nicely built and many were darn good bench dogs, as well as hunters.

To Capt Agricultur: You are so right, and I, as well as everyone else, have to be careful about that. But here’s the deal, I think the modern day Preacher bred dogs and the dogs that a bunch of us can work together to breed-up in the next ten years can be better than the old dead ones because so many of the other good Walker bloodlines are mixed in now. If we can do some concentrating of what Preacher stock is left, the best days are ahead. But it depends on what the goal is. To me, those future Preacher dogs could be an excellent choice for people who want an honest-to-goodness enjoyable dog. They may not win a bunch of World Championships, but I think they’d be World Champs in the easy to train and super enjoyable to own and hunt category.

To Rocky Tanner: Yes sir, I remember the dog very well. Dandy, the daddy of the dog you got from me, was on the cover of the first Wick Outdoor Works catalog. Raven was a littermate Wick’s Stylish Crowbar. I’m still amazed that you bought a started dog from me, had him shipped to the airport in a different part of the country, picked him up at the airport, took him to a Nite Hunt, and won third place. I’ll never forget what you said when I asked you how in the heck you knew how to call him in the hunt. You said, “Well, you told me how he acted and how he sounded and that’s what he did.”

To Jim: Hi there again, Jim. You know, years ago I would have agreed with you. But how can dogs still have the unique Preacher coloring six or seven generations down the line and not have Preacher genetics still in them? It can’t be. Please remember again that I’m talking about taking Preacher-colored dogs that have Preacher in their pedigree multiple times and breeding them to other Preacher-colored dogs that have Preacher in there multiple times. I think it’s a legitimate possibility that doing that, and these dogs being mixed up with the other good Walker bloodlines can create some fine dogs for the future.

To Billy Carter: You’re darn tootin’! Breeding for color can really set back any breed or bloodline. I certainly believe we have to keep very high standards, but pick through the many remaining Preacher-colored dogs and use only the best and most balanced and most sensible and brainiest to keep the actual Preacher traits strong. Heck no, we can’t just have people breeding Preacher color to Preacher color. I DO SHARE THAT FEAR. I don’t want to help create a breeding frenzy in a bunch of people who are just out to sell a product and not make sure it’s the best product that it can be.

To John Carroll: Yep, it’s almost a certainty that there were some Triggs back there. What’s odd is that Triggs were predominantly Foxhounds, and Preacher and his descendents generally are unusually straight or unusually easy to straighten up. But remember, Preacher’s mom was widely reported to also be a real good, honest coon dog.

To Smokin-1-mo: Whatever that means? What are you smoking? I sure hope you can get those pictures on. I’d love to see them, and I’m sure other folks would get an idea. I have many photos of Ozark Preacher. Anybody who sends me a self-addressed, stamped envelope, I’ll send them one.

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To Bruce Conkey: Bruce, these dogs aren’t hard to find. I know of at least 50 of them. When I mentioned in my original post that if someone had a top male, I’d consider using him, it wasn’t because I don’t know of any. It was just that I’d hear of some that I don’t know about, and that myself or many others who talk to me might use dogs that we don’t currently know about. I believe that will happen. This discussion will bring people and dogs out of the woods and woodwork, and that’s a big part of what I’m trying to accomplish with my original post. I can tell you of at least a half a dozen dogs that are Preacher colored that are offered at stud, and many other folks have fine hounds that we could use but they don’t care to advertise them. No sir, there is a considerable amount of this stuff around. However, it’s scattered all over the nation.

I’m chuckling to myself but also thinking seriously to myself when you talk about people being old and wanting to hold on to old bloodlines. Boy is that ever true! In some ways, that is true about me. But this is the ONLY old dog that I’m concerned about trying to keep. I’ve had many others that I liked a lot. But sir, to clarify this, let me say that for at least ten or fifteen years I’ve wanted to try to stir things up a little as far as people being aware of the Preacher stuff and using and appreciating it. That means I was in my mid-40’s at the time because you see I’m just 59. I’m not 89 or 99. Ooops, sorry I just had a senior moment. I just turned 60. Ha, ha. That’s the truth. I just turned 60, and I have never been more serious about trying to breed better coon dogs. I pleasure hunt almost every night, but I have gotten old enough to realize that I don’t want to walk a mile or two to a tree when there are coons sitting around in trees a hundred yards away or a quarter mile away. I just don’t see the point of dogs racehorsing in there. And then we racehorse after ’em. Or we drive around sections to get to where they are treed or running junk. You see, I’m old enough that I much prefer dogs that hustle hard but are hunting to the left of me and the right of me and the front of me and popping those lay-ups and running tracks with THEIR HEADS UP AND TREEING MORE COONS PER ACRE. In that regard, I plead guilty to being old. I think it also means I’m a little wiser and want to make the least steps but still see the most coons. The future use of the Preacher dogs with other sensible bloodlines can make many of us older guys and younger ones enjoy many nights.

Here’s another major factor in my thinking. Even for the folks who like the wide-going dogs, our places to hunt are getting smaller and smaller, and roads are getting more dangerous. People are shooting more and more dogs that tree behind their house. The world is unsafe for those wide dogs so why don’t we think about having dogs that are a little more sensible and not only tree more coons per acre, but we’ll also have a whole lot more places to hunt because we can put these dogs into smaller blocks of woods.

To John D.: Well sir, thanks for the compliments. I’m glad I was able to help. Let’s talk about me being old and looking backwards again. Let me give an example. The first year that I coon hunted with the old gentlemen who got me started, I carried a kerosene lantern. That’s what he used. I didn’t know any better, so that’s what I did. We’d sit on a log and listen to the dogs trail. That lantern would put out those kerosene fumes and flicker beautifully. Man, it was just magical times! I have wonderful and fond memories of those days. To this day, I have a kerosene lantern hanging in my living room. I see it and smile at it several times a day. It brings back fond memories. Once in awhile I even get it down, light it, set it in the middle of the living room, and turn the rest of the lights out. But, believe me, I’m not going back to coon hunting with it. The modern lights are so much better in every way. Ole Ozark Preacher is the only thing I’m kinda thinkin’ I want to go back to somewhat, but also use the best of the modern Walkers. Believe me, Preacher wasn’t perfect. His offspring weren’t perfect. I can tell you a lot about the imperfections too. As the years go by I do, however, realize that there was something special going on there. All of us who have had numerous dogs of that bloodline know there’s that certain something about them that’s hard to explain. It made us like them a little more than we’ve liked many of the other dogs we’ve all had since. I’m a forward-looking guy, and I’m looking forward with this project. I’m also thoughtfully figuring out what from the past needs to be used in the future. Hey, remember, I’m the first guy that brought this new-fangled nylon material to hunting clothes. I’ve been a first in quite a few things, so looking back is not my style. I guess, in many ways, it’s pretty much limited to trying to keep Ozark Preacher somewhat useful and enjoying the look and occasional smell of that old kerosene lantern, but I’m not going to the woods with it.

To Larry Atherton: Yeah man, that’s pretty good. None of us wants to think about getting old. But with age does come increased wisdom and increased understanding of what’s really important. I got an early start in this game. Because of circumstances, I had to leave home quite young so I was always a little older than my years in some ways. When I was 25 and 30, people would come to my house to do dog business with me. They were 60. When they saw me, many of them were shocked and dismayed. They figured I couldn’t know much about dogs and hunting as young as I was to them. But man did I try hard! I really worked at it. As I just was saying a few minutes ago, I wasn’t set on the old ways; I was trying to find new and better ways. Just last week, down at the Winter Classic, a guy was staring at me. He finally said, “How old are you anyhow?” I told him, “I just turned 60.” He continued to stare at me. I couldn’t figure out what he was thinking. He finally said, “You mean I’ve been looking up to you for all these years and you're ten years younger than me."

To Jason Miller: Hey Jason, how about I put your name and address on my list. I’ll probably need guys like you to keep me from going astray. You know, with me being over-the-hill and having Alzheimer’s and all that stuff. Ha, ha. I’m not at all going to do this project alone. I just want to help folks have more fun in their hunting and hopefully quite a few other folks will agree. As for me, I’ve had Preacher-bred dogs since before I’ve had Preacher. I’ve always had dogs of that color. Other than my Leopard Curs, everything I raise or work with has Preacher in it multiple times. I’m already on the Preacher bandwagon. I’m simply trying to see who else wants to get aboard. Hopefully, lots of them are younger and have all the Internet and other skills which I don’t.

To Justin Smith: Wow, that sounds heavy. Are you a philosopher? Seriously, thanks for the faith. Let me be the first to say, I’m not smarter than other folks. Here’s what I am. I wanted to make my living selling started dogs. To do that, I had to find hounds that were really easy to work with, really easy to start, and really easy to break off of junk. I tried everything dang thing out there. Believe me, the Preacher-bred dogs were the secret ingredient that allowed me to pursue my chosen career. I also worked like crazy at it. Very little sleep and very many miles.

Yes, I know those Preacher traits, and I can spot them not only in looks but in actions. I’m amazed and bumfuzzled but he is still around in a way. I think many of you folks will be surprised what you see in this regard in the next ten years.

To John Horner: I don’t know you, sir, but I do know quite a few people who owned the Crow before you. Hopefully I’ll get to meet you sometime. There are many dogs, hundreds of them, just as close to ole Preacher as the Crow. By the way, the Crow goes back to Preacher through Martin’s High Style. Years ago my friend in Mississippi, Buddy Martin, had a granddaughter of Preacher that was Preacher colored. She came into heat but he couldn’t get off work to bring her to my house to breed to Wick’s Stylish Banjo. I loaded Banjo up, took him to Mississippi, bred the man’s female, and came back home. That produced High Style and several other dandies. By the way, High Style is behind many of these Preacher-looking dogs these days. Rusty Rubles Die Hard Jackpot shows High Style in his pedigree twice, for instance. Yes folks, there actually is quite a lot of this still around.

By the way folks, a littermate sister to the Crow is the mother of GR NT CH Tree Torching Rock, a Preacher-colored dog offered at stud in Kentucky. Before I go, Mr. Horner, I’d sure love to hunt with your dog. I know several people who have hunted with him and owned him ever since he was a pup, but I’d like to see him for myself some time. We’ll take him with some of his pups.

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To Berger: You’re right. Travis Adreon in Iowa has Buckeye that’s a darn nice Preacher-colored male offered at stud. Travis has had dozens of Preacher-colored dogs. He’s a good guy, good hunter, and a good breeder. I know last year he bred a Preacher-colored female to a Preacher-colored male. I mentioned to several people that they ought to give him a call about that. Travis has high standards, and he’s no rookie. He’s just one more of the folks who I’m counting on to help in this project.

To Jason: Well you know, Stylish Harry goes back to Preacher and Wick’s Stylish Banjo multiple times. Daniel’s Duke was out of a daughter of Banjo. Then you’ve got Banjo in there again. If you get a larger pedigree, you’ll see Preacher behind your pedigree at least four times behind those Stylish hounds. Of course, Wick’s Stylish Banjo did not have any Preacher in him, but he sure did cross good with those Preacher hounds. The dog you pictured looks like he’d be straight out of ole Banjo.

To Forest: Thanks for the picture of Preacher. It’s important to note that he was about nine years old in that picture.

To Dwils: In over 40 years of keeping close track of the Walkers that became known, I’m not aware of any dogs that produced Preacher coloring that did not have Brinkley Ozark’s Preacher in their background. Although, as I said earlier, there are a few of them that were Preacher descendents that did not have correct papers. However, I certainly agree with you that if Preacher produced this color, surely somewhere there were littermates to him or relatives of his, but I’m not aware of any of them. And, of course, however Preacher was actually bred up could have been duplicated or something similar done by someone else, somewhere else. I just have never seen evidence of it.

Dwils, your question is the same question I have. How can this still be quite dominant when it is often four, five, six, seven, eight generations away? That is what mystifies me, and that’s what also intrigues me. I not only still often see the color; I often see the hunting and thinking traits. I can’t answer your question because I find it just as amazing as you folks do. There is, of course, one other thought that we can’t lose sight of. That is even though many dogs have Preacher in them once, there are thousands of dogs that have him three to six times in their extended pedigree. Maybe that is helping to keep this going. My thoughts are that if we take dogs like that and breed them to other dogs like that who have the color and the hunting characteristics, we could keep this strain fun, interesting, and productive for a long time into the future. If ten or fifty or a hundred or a thousand of us share the goal, it is certainly doable.

To Brogy: That’s a fine-looking dog and is typical of what I’m talking about. It’s amazing how many people think they know what a Preacher-colored dog is but they really don’t. You’ve supplied some excellent pictures to help folks understand. Thank you. Yes, your dog has Preacher in him several times, but not from Wick’s Stylish Crowbar. Crowbar did not go back to the dog in black.

You said you like mixing Wild Clover in there, and you certainly did. Logan’s Wild Clover is, of course, the sire of Stylish Clover, whose dam was a daughter of Stylish Queen. Then, of course, Buckeye has Clover on his dam’s side. You’ve got it. I totally agree with you that Logan’s Wild Clover is one of the greats as far as producing dogs that keep carrying on the good work generation after generation, long after it seems like they should fade away. I also want to be honest and apologetic on this subject because I’ve always been a huge fan of Lee Logan as a man, a hunter, and a breeder. I have often given his Wild Clover lots of praise. When I started this subject, I said I didn’t know anything else except Preacher that had so few pups but made such a big and long-term impact. Thank you for reminding me about Wild Clover. He is another dog that is accomplishing the same thing.

To John Horner: Concerning your second post. Yes, the Crow has been around quite awhile, and he’s certainly seen a lot of the country. He’s had owners from Pennsylvania to Texas and several states in between. By the way, most of us who are genuine Ozark Preacher fans, like the fact that most of them are sensible, steady, and accurate tree dogs. We’re not at all interested in anything that wants to own the tree for or by itself. Preacher and most of his close descendents were very mild-mannered at the tree and would gladly make room for other dogs. In fact, most of them did not tree on the tree, but stood within three to six feet of the base of the tree. If you’re saying that Crow’s pups are not cooperative tree dogs then HE IS NOT PRODUCING one of our much desired Preacher traits.

To Berger: I never knew what Buckeye’s mother looked like, but I have hunted with him and he did a very nice job. I also liked his medium size and build. Buckeye is one of about twenty Preacher-colored males I know of that should be on anybody’s list to consider. And, of course, Travis is a good guy, good hunter, and a good breeder. Do you folks realize that Travis’s foundation female and Troy Ferrari’s foundation female are littermate sisters that are both Preacher colored? Both have been excellent reproducers.

This is Lisa again. That’s all for now. John reads each of your responses, answers them on his tape recorder, and I type them up. I'll be back in the office on Wednesday.

Thanks Mr. Wick that was the first thing i notice about my hound that he was a banjo lookin hound. I have always been impressed with banjo and banjo bred hounds. My dad and uncle use to bring your name up alot times when talking about old hounds and when wantin to buy a hound their names were Don and Ron Davis and they hunted out of the legrand iowa club and have meant you several times. I'm not saying you shoud remember them because you meet new and different people every year, but they would always talk about the glory days of the legrand club when Mr. Wick and Merchant, Ball's with pac man and you guys would be huntin your up and comers at a big hunt we would be holding we still have clippings of such hunts on our club walls. Then when Mr. Daniels purchased old banjo from you and we made some crosses on our spring creek rock hounds that produced real nice hounds as well. It just seems to me when i go looking for a walker these days the first name i'm lookin for is wick's stylih banjo. My dad and uncle always spoke highly of you as a person and breeder and trainer and said you were one of if not the most honesty houndsman in the business of coon dogs. I hope you find what your looking for and have great sucess at what your trying to do



Jason Davis

Martins High style

Interesting that name came up, I had a grandson of high style, he died of old age here at 11.5 years the day after Christmas 12-26-06. He was my only coon dog for the last ten years. He was colered similar to preacher. I bought him at 1 year old, he had only been hunted once, I know that because I got him from a friend in Tennessee. I live in Mich. The first time I took him out,he treed a coon and stayed, he was a straight coon dog from that point on. He never treed a possum in his life, he never ran any trash that I know of, he never left a tree, and I never had to break him or train him. He would sometimes get a slick, but I could tell by the way he was barking if it was slick. That was his only hole, other than he was not the fastest dog in the world. I never put him in any nite hunt,and he never was breed to anything, It was a waste. I would love to see some pups with some of this blood, I will be the first in line to get one. John,I wish you the best in your project.

I REMEMBER MARTINS HIGH SYLE

WELL , THERE WAS A CRAZE SO TO SPEAK FOR MANY YEARS IN MY PART OF MISSISSIPPI OVER HIGH STYLE DOGS, I HUNTED WITH A BUNCH OF NICE YOUNG DOGS OFF HIGH STYLE , HE PUT A LOT OF THAT PREACHER COLORING IN HIS PUPS .

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JAMES MOONEY

My Jackpot dog has High Style on both sides of his pedigree. I have attempted to try and cross the House and Stylish Banjo strain for a few years. I am currently hunting the fourth generation of these ol dogs. I am not sure if the hunting, trailing, and treeing traits match Preacher, but the color does. They satisfy me.

Thanks and have a great day.

Rusty Ruble
Die-Hard Kennel
Lawrenceburg, Ky

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MR.Wick

Hello I would like to say first I enjoyed both of your books.Learned alot Thanks. I am trying my hand at breeding I like the Rock river sacket The lipper ,nocturnal nailor, Schmerals stylish Anna,(my blood).My question is how to keep most or all of this And how close do I dare go.Thanks for any input .