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Re: Stan

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
We get it, you dont, every situation is different, while you tend to over simplify. If a dog is jumped on out of nowhere, he fights back or gets chewed up, he can not back up 2 steps and avoid the fight. I do not condone fighting, but a dog that fights back when given no choice definitely is not mean or aggressive as you continue to imply. Think what you like, but do not pizz on my leg and tell me it's raining and expect me to agree. Most folks don't give a rat's bottom what you or I have to say about mean dogs, folks with a really mean dog know what they have. Dave

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What about at a water race (not at the tree) Stan? I can remember at a past highland event that nothing happened.

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Stan

You can spout all the unfounded info you want and it still does not make you right. What I really do not get is where in the world do you get your information? You act like you can read dogs minds, as you have a definitive answer to every situation to meet your take on things. I do not care what you think, just do not expect everyone else to agree with you. I bet your teachers enjoyed having you in their class, or maybe not. Give this subject matter a rest, folks do not care one bit what you or I think about what a mean dog is. If you want to banter with me just pm me , heck we can talk on the phone if you want. I am retired and have a bad knee, not hunting and have plenty of time to engage with you on any subject you care to talk about. I am never to old to learn new things from someone like yourself that has so much knowledge he wants to share. Dave

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This happened to a dog we've owned. Dog is treed another dog comes in and attacks him from behind. Ours turns grabs him off and literally threw the dog several feet away and goes right back to treeing. Was ours a mean dog? Should he have allowed the attack to continue or was nipping it in the bud with his reaction to being attacked the correct way for him to handle it? Sometimes self defense for self preservation is the correct reaction.
Our old Mafia dog that passed this last winter if he drew an aggressive dog he would continue to tree but would circle the tree try to stay clear of the dog. If they were really bad he would sit back from the tree. Both of these are great things to avoid confrontation but in instances like the above mentioned one are not always feasible, sometimes you can't get away.
Is Ol' Red my pup starter or a momma dog aggressive or mean when they discipline by snapping or a growl when a young puppy it gets to rough playing or they've had enough? No they are not! Dogs may communicate differently than humans but are more alike than many realize. Sometimes a dog has to issue discipline to another and in certain instances may be forced to defend themselves from a survival instinct just like you and I. There is a big difference between these and an aggressive mean dog.
We have a little saying around here... "If your gonna eat at Momma's table you better mind your manners." Some of you it sounds like still need your momma to give you a little pop you on the back of the head as a reminder, maybe it would knock some sense back into you, your never to old.

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A true coon hound is supposed to strike, run and tree a coon and stay treed because its bred to do just that. It should be concentrating on the tree and nothing else. In years past there just weren't many mean dogs but it seems now'a days there's one behind every tree. I'm not saying a dog should or shouldn't defend themselves but I'll just leave you with this thought. It's human related so it may not fair well with everyone. For those of ya'll who remember Muhammad Ali in the boxing ring, he could stay away from some of the most nasty, rough, hardest hitting people in the world. And did it all within a confined area with millions of people watching. He did this because he wanted to not because he had to. Now, if a dog has to worry about everything other than staying treed, it's kinda hard to do a good job. That being said, a dog can move around the tree and keep away from trouble, I've owned such a dog and have seen it first hand. But a dog must first be more interested in the tree than defending him/herself. Now if a dog is just so mean that it has to come off a tree to clean all the other dogs, I'll promise you that dog won't last long in the hunts without being eliminated, imo. There will be disagreements on this subject so all I ask is to be totally honest with yourself about what you're leading and be kind if you're leading a bad one.

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Originally posted by Ricochet17
What about at a water race (not at the tree) Stan? I can remember at a past highland event that nothing happened.

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While this post has caused some arguments and bickering there has been some great information posted as well.

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Originally posted by Ron Moore
A true coon hound is supposed to strike, run and tree a coon and stay treed because its bred to do just that. It should be concentrating on the tree and nothing else. In years past there just weren't many mean dogs but it seems now'a days there's one behind every tree. I'm not saying a dog should or shouldn't defend themselves but I'll just leave you with this thought. It's human related so it may not fair well with everyone. For those of ya'll who remember Muhammad Ali in the boxing ring, he could stay away from some of the most nasty, rough, hardest hitting people in the world. And did it all within a confined area with millions of people watching. He did this because he wanted to not because he had to. Now, if a dog has to worry about everything other than staying treed, it's kinda hard to do a good job. That being said, a dog can move around the tree and keep away from trouble, I've owned such a dog and have seen it first hand. But a dog must first be more interested in the tree than defending him/herself. Now if a dog is just so mean that it has to come off a tree to clean all the other dogs, I'll promise you that dog won't last long in the hunts without being eliminated, imo. There will be disagreements on this subject so all I ask is to be totally honest with yourself about what you're leading and be kind if you're leading a bad one.

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Originally posted by 2ol2hunt
Ali could would KNOCK you out if you got to close.... just saying...

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He dodged everything, right down to the draft!

Ali is a perfect example of what this post is about. He was allowed to get away with things because he was a winner on paper. He should have been culled and made an example of so draft dodgers knew the penalty. Instead, he’s still heralded by some when in reality he was a blister on the hands of what hard working men and women have sacrificed their lives for.

Why wouldn’t you want a role model and champion who did the right things and kept his nose clean. Those dogs do exist. Has to be because that’s the type of dog most people will make excuses for and keep around because they are winning. It’s surely not because they are better hounds, just better at defending their tree.

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Regarding Ali, I agree with you 100 percent. I am a combat veteran military officer and agree Ali got off with a slap on the wrist. I agree that there are mean dogs winning hunts that should be barred. I hate a mean dog, but I do not agree with some folks thoughts on what a mean dog is. Anyone that has hunted for any length of time should know what a mean dog is, they should never hunt a mean dog in the hunts or with any other dog. Dave

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Originally posted by Ghost14
He dodged everything, right down to the draft!

Ali is a perfect example of what this post is about. He was allowed to get away with things because he was a winner on paper. He should have been culled and made an example of so draft dodgers knew the penalty. Instead, he’s still heralded by some when in reality he was a blister on the hands of what hard working men and women have sacrificed their lives for.

Why wouldn’t you want a role model and champion who did the right things and kept his nose clean. Those dogs do exist. Has to be because that’s the type of dog most people will make excuses for and keep around because they are winning. It’s surely not because they are better hounds, just better at defending their tree.

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Re: Re: Stan

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Originally posted by novicane65
Until these guys actually draw a mean S.O.B. I don't think they know one or seen one. There's a huge difference in a dog that runs other dogs off a tree for a few hundred yards vs a dog that refuses to be pushed around and a squabble starts. And I'm 99% sure if you attend 100 hunts in the next year you won't see 1. So if your dog can tree with many dogs and not have any issues but you draw 1 or 2 dogs and you hear some getting straightened out at a tree, whose dog is the problem, Mine, your's, or their's? You know how your dog can be, it runs away from everything, theirs is a young dog and hasn't been around but 1 other dog its entire life, or mine?

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The fact of the matter is at the local level that good ole boy stuff still holds some merit You play in the major leagues with the big boys your dog better have some stick to them or your wasting your time.



I won’t own a mean dog so I stay home.



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