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Originally posted by yadkintar
Allen just for clarification does or does not the hunting judge still have the authority to go into a tree with his light out to catch a polished aggressor ( light broke ) at the tree.




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That means that you take the whole bunch in they talk really loud , kick and rattle every bush old ouchy is an angel I just come from a time non hunting or hunting judges kept control of the cast. We have to be politicly correct now.




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Originally posted by yadkintar
That means that you take the whole bunch in they talk really loud , kick and rattle every bush old ouchy is an angel I just come from a time non hunting or hunting judges kept control of the cast. We have to be politicly correct now.




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Well if we were having enough problems on a cast that I was judging and I had to go into that tree by myself and I told them to take ole grouchy to the truck they never argued with me you see they already knew what I told them it was no surprise.



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Originally posted by yadkintar
Well if we were having enough problems on a cast that I was judging and I had to go into that tree by myself and I told them to take ole grouchy to the truck they never argued with me you see they already knew what I told them it was no surprise.



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They never did because I am as mean as Richard lambert 😡



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Originally posted by yadkintar
They never did because I am as mean as Richard lambert 😡



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Originally posted by Allen / UKC
You're thinking is spot on. You need to somehow eliminate C from possibly being involved. If you can't, then you're left with not knowing who was, or could have been, involved.

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Bossman back in the day it usually wasn't a one dog fight and it was on like donkey kong and it took more than me to get them apart lol. Richard is classically trained you didn't know that lol.



But he's my buddy.



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I guess that needs to be expained to all MOH's. But I am going to really be dangerous now that I know that MOH doesn't matter because I can ask for a panel anytime I don't like his ruling. And I now know that you aren't supposed to scratch any dogs for fighting whenever there might be more than 2 dogs anywhere near the tree.

"According to UKC's position, face barking would definitely be a form of aggression and satisfy the first criteria. As for clearly interfering with each other as you noted; the intent of the rule does not support your logic. Instead, the face-barker is largely subjected to how any other dog reacts to it. If that other dog has no issue with treeing or is not bothered much by it, then by rule the dog is not being interfered with. If it does keep the other dog from treeing then criteria #2 has also been met and the face-barker would be scratched for fighting.".. ..

Sooooooooooo two dogs squared off at a tree face barking each other doesn't constitute "interfering with each other" ?
I'm not talking about another dog being face bark at , and not being bothered by the face barker to me that's a no brainer ,but 2 dogs squared off or shoulder/shoulder face barking each other at the tree .

I disagree with this rule for several reasons. I feel UKC should revisit this rule.

1. I was hunting with my own dogs years ago. They had never fought before, I ran in there prepared to join the fight with my dog leash. Well, they were treeing like angels when I got there. 30 seconds later coyotes started yapping all around the tree. I would say they came in to the tree and that was the fight.

2. I’ve heard fights ran in and the dogs had a coon.

3. I have heard of several times where yard dogs came into a tree.



Yes, these are what if scenarios. But, innocent until proven guilty. If we are gonna start scoring on sound I heard that coon growling we should plus this tree. Oh wait, I hear my dog treeing that coon must be there we gotta plus it!

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Tone it down guys, or they will delete another good topic...

I agree with Kenneth. I was on a cast one night. The dogs get treed. We are slowly walking in when the judge yells out there is a dog fight. He takes off running into the tree. When the rest of the cast gets there no dogs are fighting and I never heard the dogs make any noise that sounded like a fight to me. The judge wants to scratch the dogs at the tree. I can see where this would be a good opportunity for a judge and his buddy to scratch some other people in a cast.

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Originally posted by Lance Laymon
I can see where this would be a good opportunity for a judge and his buddy to scratch some other people in a cast.

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Originally posted by Dogwhisper
"According to UKC's position, face barking would definitely be a form of aggression and satisfy the first criteria. As for clearly interfering with each other as you noted; the intent of the rule does not support your logic. Instead, the face-barker is largely subjected to how any other dog reacts to it. If that other dog has no issue with treeing or is not bothered much by it, then by rule the dog is not being interfered with. If it does keep the other dog from treeing then criteria #2 has also been met and the face-barker would be scratched for fighting.".. ..

Sooooooooooo two dogs squared off at a tree face barking each other doesn't constitute "interfering with each other" ?
I'm not talking about another dog being face bark at , and not being bothered by the face barker to me that's a no brainer ,but 2 dogs squared off or shoulder/shoulder face barking each other at the tree .

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Thanks Allen .

Number 1 u can’t scratch a dog for fighting or agressive behavior unless you see it. If you could half of these guys Judging would be trying to scratch dogs anytime they through a different sounding bark.
Now here’s my opinion on this and I know a bunch of you old school guys are going to think I’m crazy but any serious hunter will agree. The dog that starts the fight is the dog that covered. If your dog trees and mine goes over there wanting to join in he started it plain and simple. If he would have found his own tree there would not have been a fight. So no matter who was the actual aggressor at the tree the covering dog started it in the first place by going in to the tree. Now that’s just my opinion I know that’s going to hurt the feelings of certain breed owners and some packed up walker dog owners but it’s a fact. If I walk into my neighbors house and start helping myself to his stuff I’m probably going to get hit. Now is my neighbors the aggressor for hitting me or is it me for going over there.

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Originally posted by bowling41762
Number 1 u can’t scratch a dog for fighting or agressive behavior unless you see it. If you could half of these guys Judging would be trying to scratch dogs anytime they through a different sounding bark.
Now here’s my opinion on this and I know a bunch of you old school guys are going to think I’m crazy but any serious hunter will agree. The dog that starts the fight is the dog that covered. If your dog trees and mine goes over there wanting to join in he started it plain and simple. If he would have found his own tree there would not have been a fight. So no matter who was the actual aggressor at the tree the covering dog started it in the first place by going in to the tree. Now that’s just my opinion I know that’s going to hurt the feelings of certain breed owners and some packed up walker dog owners but it’s a fact. If I walk into my neighbors house and start helping myself to his stuff I’m probably going to get hit. Now is my neighbors the aggressor for hitting me or is it me for going over there.

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what about when a you go into the tree handling the dogs and the judges dog nails you dog on the top of his head and wont scratch his dog and the other hunter in the cast says he didn't see anything,I know is supposed to be an honor rule but there is no honor in the hunts anymore.

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Originally posted by bowling41762
Number 1 u can’t scratch a dog for fighting or agressive behavior unless you see it. If you could half of these guys Judging would be trying to scratch dogs anytime they through a different sounding bark.
Now here’s my opinion on this and I know a bunch of you old school guys are going to think I’m crazy but any serious hunter will agree. The dog that starts the fight is the dog that covered. If your dog trees and mine goes over there wanting to join in he started it plain and simple. If he would have found his own tree there would not have been a fight. So no matter who was the actual aggressor at the tree the covering dog started it in the first place by going in to the tree. Now that’s just my opinion I know that’s going to hurt the feelings of certain breed owners and some packed up walker dog owners but it’s a fact. If I walk into my neighbors house and start helping myself to his stuff I’m probably going to get hit. Now is my neighbors the aggressor for hitting me or is it me for going over there.

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