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I'm not at all against hunting for money but it seems like the majority want to be able to win with - circle and for grand notes treein possums. I thought grands were supposed to be better than that is all.

Ok ukc has been alot of fond memories for me and I will always support them. But I said it once and I believe non sanctioned money hunts are going to hit big the clubs have figured out they are doing all the work and having to give half of their profit to sombody that most of the time ain't there and don't care. Ukc is the only kc that you can make money to run the club on a $20 entry fee you have to have ukc hunts to make enough to pay what you loose on the $$$ hunts pitifull. The slam hunts make the club a lot when you consider you only got to have 4 judges and a moh. The all grand night hunt I described would work if you guys with Grntchs only want to hunt against three other dogs then what we call that in the south is a sissy take that bad boy were he has to compete quit holding his sack up when he goes through a fence and make him be a coondog I got a 9 yr old one eyed one and I ain't scared grow a set and compete Jed showed he ain't scared this weekend.

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Originally posted by yadkintar
quit holding his sack up when he goes through a fence and make him be a coondog.

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Originally posted by rob thompson
I'm not at all against hunting for money but it seems like the majority want to be able to win with - circle and for grand notes treein possums. I thought grands were supposed to be better than that is all.

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You may very well be right maybe I'm reading this stuff the wrong way I've been known to do that.

I have read nothing about DIFFERENT rules for Grand Nite casts. Why would you need non hunting guides and judges? How many people on here have hunted at a club where they gave gift cards, gas cards and etc. for the winners? Sounds like it's up to a club if they want to do this, some will some won't, depends on the members. I don't have any skin in the game as I don't own a Grand Nite.

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Take that bad boy were he has to compete, quit holding his sack up when he goes through a fence and make him be a coondog.

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Clubs are going to make money at anything, IF they are willing to put the work to do it.

My experience is people who complain the most about the clubs not making any money are the same ones who never spend any money while at another club. Get your wallet out, buy something from the kitchen, or make a little donation to the club while your there. If your club is putting on the event, do some extra work. Your club is no different than anyone else. The same people show up to do the work every time. If you want it to work you will make it work with what you have.

And when people have a good experience they tend to spend more money. If someone shows up and deal with nothing but a bunch of grouchy people that act like they could care less if they came or went, they'll probably keep my money.

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You all don't seem to get that this has been legal for a year or 2 now. As long as ukc gets their $2 what the club decides to do with their part is up to the club. Win slips only go to the plus point winners just like always but how a club chooses to disburse or keep their $ is up to the club regardless of whether this is an open, ntch or Grntch cast or if they choose to do this or something similar for all of the above. It is the same way if there is a Calcutta for the dogs or an added purse or prizes. You have cast follow UKC night hunt rules and win slips are determined by these rules but how the money or prizes is handled by each individual club as it should be. This is nothing new not sure what all the stink is about now.

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Here is a better idea for Ukc if you want more entry's keep up with the money won by the grands of each state then take 3 from each state and there you can have your purina nationals running these state hunts is worthless!!! And just cost more money!!!!

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I think it is a good idea, Our club at Shell Rock charges $20 entry for our hunt and $5 of that goes into a pot and before we go hunting we draw 1ticket for up to 20 dogs entered over that 2 tickets to win the pot, 1 or 2 people are very happy when you they win between 50 to 100 dollars

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One of the local clubs here has a jackpot at their UKC hunts. It's $10 to get in the jackpot. High scoring dog gets it. If all casts return dead, the club keeps the money. They have made enough off dead casts that they usually throw in a little extra in the jackpot. It's all for fun and you might win a little gas and dog food money.

There is good and bad in everything we do. That's Biblical brother!! How it's good and how it's bad is up to us.

Me personally, I like it and I am a UKC man. Keep the rules the same, plus points only. No winner, club gets the money. Hunt for that accumulated money at the end of the year. Or maybe do a point system within the club and give it to the overall points winner at the end of the year. Doesn't seem to be any rules set in stone, so the sky's the limit. Have fun, that's why I do it!! Oh and one more thing, SCRATCH THOSE GRINNER TREEING RASCALS!!! LOL

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I been told I am really old fashioned lol. But I always believed Grntchs are supposed to move up in competition not down.

1. Make a dog a ntch ( local level )
2. Make a dog a Grntch (local level or state hunts )
3. Take Grntch to state hunts , breed hunts , or try and win the world .
4. Hunt him in the larger $$$ hunts

If he can't progress at these levels all he will ever be is just an average dog with Grntch papers.

I apologize but these are my standreds maybe why you don't see me at the hunts very often because it's a long time between dogs like that.

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Originally posted by yadkintar
I been told I am really old fashioned lol. But I always believed Grntchs are supposed to move up in competition not down.

1. Make a dog a ntch ( local level )
2. Make a dog a Grntch (local level or state hunts )
3. Take Grntch to state hunts , breed hunts , or try and win the world .
4. Hunt him in the larger $$$ hunts

If he can't progress at these levels all he will ever be is just an average dog with Grntch papers.

I apologize but these are my standreds maybe why you don't see me at the hunts very often because it's a long time between dogs like that.

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How many people truly have the ability to travel to other states to hit a coon hunt? You don't want hunting to become about money, better not push for an interstate title requirement. If UKC did that it will very much become ALL about money. A working man with a family wouldn't be able to pull that off.

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I been around a long time ain't going to mention no names but the same people that want these 2 to 4 dog grntch hunts will be the first ones to get on here and brag about how many Grntch hunts old woofer won just sayen.

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Originally posted by yadkintar
I been around a long time ain't going to mention no names but the same people that want these 2 to 4 dog grntch hunts will be the first ones to get on here and brag about how many Grntch hunts old woofer won just sayen.

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Yadkintar

I agree with most things you are saying about today's "champions". Champions should be held to a higher standard. That being said, I will agree that something needs to be done to increase participation in the hunts and agree or disagree this just might be a good way to get the grand nights champions to hunt at the small local clubs. My thoughts are that a man should know how good his dog really is. Mine are judged on how they perform in the wintertime pleasure hunting, but that is just me. I cannot hold others to my standards nor will I allow others to influence my standards. Enjoy yourself life is short. Dave

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Dave I am all for them getting to hunt I got one myself but a lot of clubs don't have the extra help to guide them on a night that they are holding their regular hunts if they can guide themselves that's ok I guess. The money thing I don't know about because then you become like everyone else unless you have the all Grntch hunts like I suggested I think that would be good for everybody involved kinda a fund raiser but you would have bragging rights that you beat 16 other Grntchs. I do understand that a Grntch is left out of the loop on the performance program but you have to tree coons and win your cast with plus points to win in ukc anything less to me is unexceptable. The slams makes the club good money everybody needs to push them then the Grntchs would have a place to hunt if you don't try you don't know if it will work all you need for the slams is four judges and a moh and ole tar whooping up somthing good in the kitchen lol.

I understand that you want plus points to win, most everyone does. So if you remember right, you dont have to have plus points to win in the slam events

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Maybe instead of finding ways of keeping finished out hounds coming they should look at reconfiguration:
5 Hunt wins to make Night champion.
1. Will help ALL clubs out by adding several more hunts per titled hound.
2. Will help UKC out with more entries & less paperwork.
3. Will make the title mean something again. Let's face it with the drop in attendance nationwide this title is easier to earn now than anytime in the history of Ukc sanctioned coon hunts. What could it hurt?

H.w the problem arose years ago it took a little while before or became an oh c**t but that's where we are at now that's when cast winners placed first then you finished out through tenth place with dogs with plus points now you got a lot of hunts with one registered cast and one ntch and some big breeders know right were they are at too ! I am ok just to have hunting judges but on my designated days at work the more of us with eyes on a theif the less chance he has to steal I got two today. Back in the day the entry's were full and that made titles harder to get and yes I know the rules in the slams and so do the people hunting in them with a non hunting judge they ain't many going to be won without treeing a coon.

the way I read it and I might be wrong, but you don't win the cast if you tree a possum or have no plus points. The score card is sent to UKC as no cast winner. However the club will pay the money back to the highest scoring or least minus scoring dog in the cast. This is separate from any UKC points, titles or anything as far as UKC is concerned there was no cast winner and therefore no points scored by any dog in that cast.