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Originally posted by CHEWBACH
I see well started you have never owned or hunted with a dog that is capable of finding coon!! regardless wather its layed up in a oak tree or somewhere after feeding!! its something hard to explain when ya have owned dogs that is capable of doing this!! I don't mean silent dogs eather!!coon scent will stay on side of a tree longer than on ground in winter!! some dogs just know to go thru timber and go around and search for scent in the air!! how they know!! don't have a clue!! something in genes!!? if I had to have a dog that had to have a track to run to a tree before it treed it!! I wouldn't keep!!!be a nice competiton tho!! I need both track it or just find them!! here where I live coon don't run a mile in season!! they come down and feed and just lay up!! you better have a dog with a good nose and locating ability to tree many!!jmo

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I've hunted with a lot of nice hounds and the hole cold vrs hot nosed thing is all opionions. But one thing I've haven't heard people mention much is locating ability. Some have it most don't. They say back before dna was done a lot of walker and English breeders mixed in bird dog to give the hounds more athleticism and a more powerful nose. I'll take a powerful nose any day over what most call cold nosed. Maybe that's why the English breed is the only breed that consistantly competes with the walkers. Let me give example. I had a walker years back that had an ability like I've never owned or saw in a dog. He was nailor and heavy house breed. I remember I use to send him in to other hounds that had been standing on there heads for hours and he would run in there and often have the coon treed in minutes. If you saw a coon sitting up you sent him in that direction he would tree almost every time if the wind was right. He drifted tracks and run with his head in the air. I've worked field trail bird dogs and believe he had some in him. It might be time for some of you breeders to put back a little of that big hunting pointer in them dogs again. A bird dog uses its nose and brain together to pinpoint where the game is.

My old female is out of Trackman and Browns Haley.She don't have to run half the coons she trees.Just falls treed.Shes medium to wide open on most tracks.A lot of Nocturnal Blood in her.Id love to have another pup like her but I've just about given up on that.After raising 8 pups from different studs I'm getting impatient.

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Originally posted by N Williams
I've hunted with a lot of nice hounds and the hole cold vrs hot nosed thing is all opionions. But one thing I've haven't heard people mention much is locating ability. Some have it most don't. They say back before dna was done a lot of walker and English breeders mixed in bird dog to give the hounds more athleticism and a more powerful nose. I'll take a powerful nose any day over what most call cold nosed. Maybe that's why the English breed is the only breed that consistantly competes with the walkers. Let me give example. I had a walker years back that had an ability like I've never owned or saw in a dog. He was nailor and heavy house breed. I remember I use to send him in to other hounds that had been standing on there heads for hours and he would run in there and often have the coon treed in minutes. If you saw a coon sitting up you sent him in that direction he would tree almost every time if the wind was right. He drifted tracks and run with his head in the air. I've worked field trail bird dogs and believe he had some in him. It might be time for some of you breeders to put back a little of that big hunting pointer in them dogs again. A bird dog uses its nose and brain together to pinpoint where the game is.

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Originally posted by Jackson87
My old female is out of Trackman and Browns Haley.She don't have to run half the coons she trees.Just falls treed.Shes medium to wide open on most tracks.A lot of Nocturnal Blood in her.Id love to have another pup like her but I've just about given up on that.After raising 8 pups from different studs I'm getting impatient.

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Actually here in Michigan the boars will have trails running from den tree to den tree. They do this looking for females. The thing is during breeding season you would be surprised at how often you can squall several coons from a den at one time after treeing on that tree at night.

When it is cold here coons will not move unless they ave a good reason. For boar coon that good reason is looking for females.

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if yu can find it, ark river rattle blood, finley rv stuff. best cold nose ever been. i had it, and lost it. biggest coon hunting mistake i ever made. treed coons all over them popular power houses in the eighties, and fast as greased lighting. opened on the ground harder than some dogs tree now, and 135 a min tree dog. people still talk about them now when i run into them after all these years. my uncle and dad fox hunted hard, use to go coon hunting with me some, always said the same thing, quote; that coon better climb or them dogs gonna eat him.not many have seen a dog thats open mouth that could smoke a drifter or silent mouth dog on track, and some that saw it, didnt believe, or like it, when they were hunting them koolaid power houses. aint gonna name them, theyknow. done it again, imsorry, please forgive me.

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Last night I took Rose by herself on the first drop. We were in a standing corn field and about 3/4 the way around she started to work the edge of the woods. There was a lot of sign and I had a feeling that she was having trouble with to many tracks. She did tree and sure enough there where 3 other sets of eyes in 3 other trees. Could she have done better? Sure, but heck sometimes I go out to eat and looking at all that's on the menu, I have trouble deciding.

Next drop is big country so I left Zach out for the first half, had 2 coyotes run in front of the truck while I was roading around the field and lots of deer feeding in the picked field. The old boy was born straight and I love that trait in this stain. Got to the end of the field road so I left out Rose and started to walk into the woods. There's a couple spring feed creeks, lots of down trees and lots of swamp. Well, here's where the "nose" took over. Zach left out his long bawl that he found scent and it's been ther awhile. I was on the ridge overlooking one of the creeks and because I use lighted colors I could watch him work. And work he did. He was going up and down some of those big down trees and letting out a bawl now and then, Rose was there working also but not opening as often. They started to move out to the west which I wasn't sure why, so I started to follow. Now, here's where it got "fun". Cross 2 creeks, made it thru the first swamp, heading to the second and they are starting to but the heat on. Get into swamp #2 and folding this deer trail when I just about get ran over by a big doe!! I'm standing in water and cat tails so I turn off the light to get a better lay of the land and there across the swamp is a standing corn field and now I figured out why this coon traveled all this way (about a mile) to get in this hell hole---to have supper! They made a swing thru the corn and both hit the tree and did a nice job. This was our second night out so we are all out of shape. They had him but because I didn't have permission I could only pet them up and start the long walk back to the truck. I would say that this is hunting cold nose hounds. Do they tree more coon? Are they what you want in a 2 hour hunt? I'll let the experts answer those questions, I'll just say, I love to hunt hounds that take an old feeding track and work it as fast as trailing allows and end up under a tree with a coon in it. Could we have done it better and faster? Sure, but that's my fault for not hunting year around and having them in shape, but I wouldn't trade the time watching my grandson playing baseball this summer or teaching my granddaughter to drive so she could get her license this fall and the week at a cabin with my wife was really nice. So the answer to hunting a cold nose hound over a hot nose dog? As long as you are buying the feed and enjoying them have at it. BUT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE!!!

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Last night I took Rose by herself on the first drop. We were in a standing corn field and about 3/4 the way around she started to work the edge of the woods. There was a lot of sign and I had a feeling that she was having trouble with to many tracks. She did tree and sure enough there where 3 other sets of eyes in 3 other trees. Could she have done better? Sure, but heck sometimes I go out to eat and looking at all that's on the menu, I have trouble deciding.

Next drop is big country so I left Zach out for the first half, had 2 coyotes run in front of the truck while I was roading around the field and lots of deer feeding in the picked field. The old boy was born straight and I love that trait in this stain. Got to the end of the field road so I left out Rose and started to walk into the woods. There's a couple spring feed creeks, lots of down trees and lots of swamp. Well, here's where the "nose" took over. Zach left out his long bawl that he found scent and it's been ther awhile. I was on the ridge overlooking one of the creeks and because I use lighted colors I could watch him work. And work he did. He was going up and down some of those big down trees and letting out a bawl now and then, Rose was there working also but not opening as often. They started to move out to the west which I wasn't sure why, so I started to follow. Now, here's where it got "fun". Cross 2 creeks, made it thru the first swamp, heading to the second and they are starting to but the heat on. Get into swamp #2 and folding this deer trail when I just about get ran over by a big doe!! I'm standing in water and cat tails so I turn off the light to get a better lay of the land and there across the swamp is a standing corn field and now I figured out why this coon traveled all this way (about a mile) to get in this hell hole---to have supper! They made a swing thru the corn and both hit the tree and did a nice job. This was our second night out so we are all out of shape. They had him but because I didn't have permission I could only pet them up and start the long walk back to the truck. I would say that this is hunting cold nose hounds. Do they tree more coon? Are they what you want in a 2 hour hunt? I'll let the experts answer those questions, I'll just say, I love to hunt hounds that take an old feeding track and work it as fast as trailing allows and end up under a tree with a coon in it. Could we have done it better and faster? Sure, but that's my fault for not hunting year around and having them in shape, but I wouldn't trade the time watching my grandson playing baseball this summer or teaching my granddaughter to drive so she could get her license this fall and the week at a cabin with my wife was really nice. So the answer to hunting a cold nose hound over a hot nose dog? As long as you are buying the feed and enjoying them have at it. BUT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE!!!

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Lots of really far out there opinions get stated as facts. It was said earlier that coon sent holds longer on trees than on the ground in the winter. How in the world would you know that? It might I don't know and neither does any of the rest of us. How our dogs noses work and how different conditions affect their ability to tree a coon is the least known part of our sport, but everyone likes to think they know.

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Originally posted by joey
Lots of really far out there opinions get stated as facts. It was said earlier that coon sent holds longer on trees than on the ground in the winter. How in the world would you know that? It might I don't know and neither does any of the rest of us. How our dogs noses work and how different conditions affect their ability to tree a coon is the least known part of our sport, but everyone likes to think they know.

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As usual, I agree with Bruce...could it be that we are both over 60 and have hunted over 50 years???? Why would any coon hunter, especially a competition hunter want a cold nosed dog??? I lion hunt but train my dogs on coon around here so I never cut them loose until after daylight so that they will have to learn to work an old track. Last week, I waited until 10:30 AM before cutting them loose and still caught two coons before lunch.
I prefer to lion hunt over anything else and do most all of it on dry ground. If you don't have a dog that can trail, you are simply out of luck as it is rare to cut a lion track that is less than a day old. The toughest thing for my dogs is to learn to be patient and work as a team. None of these qualities are found in a really good competition hound, this is simply another game.
Thanks Bruce and Adios,
Gary

An old man told me one time that dog's noses are usually about the same (unless there is a medical condition) but some actually have the brains to use them proficiently.

THE PLEASURE

The pleasure of the hunt for me has always been from start to finish ! Strike and move the trail constantly until treed or Jumped hot and run to catch or tree ! iv never cared for a tight mouthed hound ,if treeing the coon was all there was too it id do something else , trailing for me is of the utmost importance , if they cant find it , move it and tree it then to me he useless,,,,,

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Hi,

Thousands of words can be written on this subject. Cold nose, etc, etc. I crossed a linebred Finley River Dan, Dan 3 female on Houses' Lipper in the early 80's. First female bred to Lipper, the first night Mac McCallister had Lipper in Missouri.

Outstanding track dogs with superior noses and blazing catch on the ground speed came from that cross. Maybe you have heard of a few. Dual Gr Ch Trap's Finley River Slick, Dual Gr Ch Finley River Rambo, owned by John Rich.

From Slick, came a dog they still talk about in southeast Kansas, named Ol Factory. From Ol Factory, came a dog that wrote his own history, Dual Ch Durbin's Rambler or Ch Coon Rip'n Rambler.

Want your buddies to scratch their head and make comments about what your dog is running, comments about... my dog can't open on that track... it must be off game... that's a deer track.. that is not a coon. ? Buy a Rambler/ Finley River Dan line bred pup. They will teach you about tracking. I raise one or two litters a year. Some as many as Rambler 4 times up close.

Jason Clark has a pair in Sunbury, PA. Go hunt with Spot or Stormy. Come hunt with their sister Tanna or brother Iron Man. Come hunt with Emma, littermate to Junk (Kenny Durbin and Micki Helms dog). Hunt with April, a daughter of Wild Bill's Boone.

Come any cold, winter, frosty night after midnight and we will turn loose.

Good Hunting,
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