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Originally posted by Donnie Stevens
So your gonna give a silent dog 100 strike points every time it trees a coon ?

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As much as I hate a babbler nothing will ever change on that front. Make first tree 125 and only 25 after 30 seconds and nothing after a minute. Make the dog still stay treed for 5 before you handle it but if you come to a tree after a minute you don't deserve any points as far as Im concerned.

Re: I think strike points is dumb

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Originally posted by Rocketman55
Interesting position about strike points. I think I could use that same logic on tree points and ask that they all be the same as well, lol. The first dog to bark on the tree may not necessarily be the first dog to find the tree.

Have you ever been sitting close to a dog working a bad track, and see that dog rear up on a tree checking it, only to see that young gun of a pup come rolling on with its mouth wide open and telling all the world it has found the tree. I have seen this many times and for those that have not , it will be a learning experience. Now when dogs get treed off by them selves then yes you can pretty much figure that dog treed the coon, but when all dogs are working together on a hot track, it's which ever dog that throws the locate first that usually gets called for first tree, not necessarily the dog that actually found the tree first. So If barking is not a very good identifier of first strike, then it should not be used as an identifier of first tree either. Heck we can just watch the garmin and see who's little tree emblem looks up first.

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Originally posted by JiM
No Richard, I'm saying way too many first strikes are awarded for nothing but barking at nothing and we all know that's the truth. Now, if there ever became an effective way of awarding those 100 points for actually being the first dog to strike a coon track, then I'm all for that and there would be no reason to even think about changing the strike rule.

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How about this.. if u strike ur dog in the first min. Then it has to b treed with in 3 min.... if track is that hot that ur turning loose on it. Then ain't no reason can't b treed in 3 min...

If u no ur striking a babbling dog in the min Cuz it will bark for the next 50 min then u won't b striking that babble Cuz u no its a babble an he ain't gonna tree. U get minus..

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Originally posted by walkerman75
How about this.. if u strike ur dog in the first min. Then it has to b treed with in 3 min.... if track is that hot that ur turning loose on it. Then ain't no reason can't b treed in 3 min...

If u no ur striking a babbling dog in the min Cuz it will bark for the next 50 min then u won't b striking that babble Cuz u no its a babble an he ain't gonna tree. U get minus..

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As long as there are dishonest people in the world, you will have these problems. The problem is some folks just can't admit when they are wrong and can't stand to lose and will do anything to win. Some don't even want a good coon dog, just a dog to win with. In their eyes it's I won and you lost and they will laugh all the way to the house with their winnings. I know it's been like this for years but in my honest opinion, it's gotten a lot worse. I'm sure some younger folks won't agree but those who hunted 30 to 40 years ago know the difference. One of my best dogs I ever owned would automatic when I first turned her loose just like some race horses would rare before they enter the stall before a race. Difference was, I wouldn't strike her because I knew she would quit within 10 r 15 seconds. That's where the honesty thing comes in. Changing the rules won't help because dishonest people will still be dishonest and will find a way to beat you and your honest dog, not always but enough to get you on here to start a thread because you are frustrated. I was always taught that honesty is always the best way and the cream will rise to the top and I still believe that. Good will prevail over evil in the long run. Morals and values outweigh dishonesty in my book every time and it don't take the head cashier at Walmart to figure that out. We all know when we're getting rooked and those dishonest ones will fade but beware because there is another one where that one came from. Happy hunting and have a great day.....Ron

I've put this type of post on here before but here I go again. 50 strike across the board. Everyone still strikes in so the judge can determine each dog. If dog a is struck and treed before dog b is struck. Strike pionts get a line through. Unless declared split. All the same. Some dogs babble if they cant gain from it then no big deal. Then u will start to see less and less of them. Especially if they get minused for babbling as well. This would be easier on the judge the and youngsters trying to get in this sport. Less argument on splitting strike or argument on getting strike. This post will get trumped I'm sure. This is simple logic to me but everyone got there own.

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I've put this type of post on here before but here I go again. 50 strike across the board. Everyone still strikes in so the judge can determine each dog. If dog a is struck and treed before dog b is struck. Strike pionts get a line through. Unless declared split. All the same. Some dogs babble if they cant gain from it then no big deal. Then u will start to see less and less of them. Especially if they get minused for babbling as well. This would be easier on the judge the and youngsters trying to get in this sport. Less argument on splitting strike or argument on getting strike. This post will get trumped I'm sure. This is simple logic to me but everyone got there own.

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Originally posted by roger roberts
I agree no way to prove what a dog is doing when they open there mouth

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Originally posted by Donnie Stevens
Maybe not when they're 400 yards deep. Anybody that can't tell a dogs runnin and babblin when ya still got your light on it should be playin bingo not competition coon huntin !!!

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What if all strike points were minus unless a coon was seen?
Leave all other rules the same. First strike every time could get you in trouble quick if you weren't putting up the meat.
Still would circle tee on dens but strikes would be minus.

Aint that already the rule? Lol. Slick

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Let's put it this way when are dogs gets first strike honestly do we say to are self I am so proud of him or her did a good job yeah right don't think so only thing we be thinking is got a 100 on the paper but first tree with a coon that's totally a different story that's good job my dog or someone else dog how many of us have heard anyone say to someone that gets first strike good job I bet never because getting first strike just means getting 100 on the paper it takes Talent to tree a coon but it don't take talent for a dog to open there mouth strike points is a joke I think 50 strike points across the board would be good

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Originally posted by AppalachianBlue
Aint that already the rule? Lol. Slick

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Originally posted by AppalachianBlue
Aint that already the rule? Lol. Slick

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Firm judging they say I say when you cut 3 out of 4 leave there barking and yours ain't the one doing it good luck getting them to do the right thing especially if one of them needs a strike to win jmo.

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Firm judging they say I say when you cut 3 out of 4 leave there barking and yours ain't the one doing it good luck getting them to do the right thing especially if one of them needs a strike to win jmo.

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Dawg I just can't make myself do it ! But I do like beating them with a tight mouth dog makes the wonder why all that barking ain't doing them no good.

I like to strike my dog off their barking idiot. You wanna talk about confusing to em. It is. LOL. I mean they go to studdering and all. But but but but but but but butbutbutbut. That that that that that was mymymymymy dog. Im like naw. Mine barked once. LOL.

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I saw that done once and it really did cause some stuttering!

I also drew a dog once that babbled bad. The guy even told us she had been accused of it but she just had a real good nose. Well, after the 2nd turnout; I warned him that I also believed the dog babbled. What I did was walk back to the blacktop parking lot we had just left and told the cast I was scratching everything that barked before they got to the edge of the woods...including mine if he opened his mouth. The woods were about 50 yards from the parking lot. I knew his would bark and was willing to take the chance that another coon hadn't walked across. LOL!