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Posted by BlueLabelKennel on 09-25-2015 08:21 PM:

TOTO

quote:
Originally posted by Surveyor
I believe the wizard of Oz dog is out of Alice. According to the post that was deleted, Alice will produce top dogs regardless of the dog or even breed of dog she is bred to, so Oz's sire is a moot issue.

Hey Mike, Toto,had a curly tail and it would show in his offspring and if the truth would ever be known or mattered , he could have been out of the Gypsy Tonic Mans moot dog .

Posted by ov_blues on 09-25-2015 09:25 PM:

---------------Nt Ch Dryfork Blue Spud
------------Nt Ch Smokey River JBS Cheif
---------------Smokey River BB's J-Bell
---------Fch Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Vining Runnin Bullet
---------------Gr Nt Ch Coz' Spare Time Spanky
------------Gr Nt Ch Smokey River Crazy's Blue Fly
---------------Gr Nt Ch Rob's Crazy
------Gr Nt Ch Judges Smoky River Bandit
---------------Ch Nt Ch Triple D's Blue Ltl. Man
------------Nt Ch Ch Triple D's Blue Couch Tatar
---------------Ch Triple D's Blue Joyce
---------Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Foley's Smokey River Blue Joey
---------------Triple D & Bryant's Blue Ubu
------------Nt Ch Smokey River Grover's Blue Fly
---------------Nt Ch Triple D's Blue Checker
---Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Smoken Blue Magic
---------------Nt Ch Dryfork Blue Spud
------------Nt Ch Smokey River JBS Cheif
---------------Smokey River BB's J-Bell
---------Gr Ch Gr Nt Ch Smokey River Chiefs Bl Stormy
---------------Gr Nt Ch Kirby's Blue Spike
------------Ch Gr Nt Ch Ameling's Blue Misty
---------------Nt Ch Garbes' Cedar Ri. Cindy
------Gr Nt Ch Buffallo Creek To Tuf Betty
---------------Nt Ch Ch Illinois River Sport
------------Pattie's Blue Mike
---------------Mighty Blue Lou
---------Coats' Bawl Creek Blue Lucy
---------------Pattie's Howling Blue Hooch
------------Patties Blue Patsy
---------------Patties's Blue Babe
Nt Ch Nite-Time's Game Changing Blue
---------------Nt Ch Dryfork Blue Spud
------------Nt Ch Smokey River JBS Cheif
---------------Smokey River BB's J-Bell
---------FCH Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Vining Runnin Bullet
---------------Gr Nt Ch Coz' Spare Time Spanky
------------Gr Nt Ch Smokey River Crazys Blue Fly
---------------Gr Nt Ch Rob's Crazy
------Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Appels Blue Oak Bullet
---------------Gr Nt Ch Northern Blue Jet IV
------------Gr Nt Ch Northern Blue Jet V
---------------Nt Ch Hoosier C.C. Lady II
---------Jet V's Blue Candy
---------------Gr Nt Ch Coz' Spare Time Spanky
------------Indian's Blueridge Billy Blue
---------------Spare Time Spot
---Ch Double AA Whiskey Blue Rose HTX
---------------Nt Ch Smokey River JBS Cheif
------------FC Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Vining Runnin Bullet
---------------Gr Nt Ch Ch Smokey River Crazys Blue Fly
---------Gr Nt Ch Ch Bullet's Runnin Ratter
---------------Gr Nt Ch Northern Blue Jet V
------------Ch Turkey Creek Mandy II
---------------Nt Ch Turkey Creek Mandy
------Nt Ch Rattlers' Runnin Rose
---------------Gr Nt Ch Uchtman's SB. Blue Scout
------------Ch Gr Nt Ch Uchtman's So. Blue Hornet
---------------Nt Ch Kuks Backwoods Blue Bell
---------Gr Nt Ch Langan's Blue Suzie II
---------------Gr Nt Ch Coz' Spare Time Spanky
------------Nt Ch Langan Bl Bell
---------------Gr Nt Ch Ch Foleys Smokey River Blue Annie

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Posted by calblu on 09-25-2015 11:53 PM:

Anyone know pedigrees for the Molly B and Misty's Rose dogs?

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Posted by J. Lovell on 09-26-2015 01:50 AM:

Molly B is out of Bullet ll

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Blueticks that I've started and hunted over the years:

Nt. Ch. Lovell's Coon Catching Blue Sally
Nt. Ch. Home Brew Blue Josie (Out of Gary Uchtman's Jobe and Sarah which is a Thorn female)
Gr. Nt. TP's Dizzy Dot (Gr. Nt. Ch. Gr. Ch. Razor Ridge Pop-A-Top)
Gr. Nt. Ch. Lovell's Smokey River Blue Ann (Gr. Nt. Ch. Gr. Ch. Coonbranch Blue Bandit)
Nt. Ch. Lovell's Smokey River Daisy (Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Twin Springs Blazin Bull)
Nt. Ch. Lovell's Smoken Blue Molly (Gr. Nt. Ch. Gr. Ch. Dillion's Smoken Blue Magic)
Gr. Nt. Lovell's Smokey River Snap (Gr. Nt. Ch. Gr. Ch. Jennings Blue Top Hank)
Gr. Nt. Smokey River Blue Molly (Gr. Nt. Ch. Nixon's Wolf Creek Geronimo)
Gr. Nt. Smokey River Blue Wahoo (Gr. Nt. Ch. Nixon's Wolf Creek Geronimo)
Gr. Nt. Davis White River Sugar (Nt. Ch. Smokey River JBs Chief)
Nt. Ch. Lovell's Katy Bar the Door (Gr. Nt. Ch. Nixon's Wolf Creek Geronimo)
Gr. Nt. Sky's Blue Bumble Bee (Gr. Nt. Ch. Northern Blue Jet 5)
Nt. Ch. Lovell's Coon Catchin' Katie (Nt. Ch. Bowden's Wolf Creek Smokey)
Gr. Nt. Washburn Valley Blue Drip ( Gr. Nt. Ch. Gr. Ch. Uchtman's So. Blue Hornet)
Gr. Nt. Stewart's Natural Okie Reb (Gr. Nt. Ch. Gr. Ch. Natural Smokey River Rebel)
Nt. Ch. Coon Catchin' Jim (Gr. Nt. Ch. Gr. Ch. Clear River Diamond Jim)

Jeff Lovell (918) 839-3066

Posted by Danny Glista on 09-29-2015 06:59 PM:

Mike!!!

quote:
Originally posted by Surveyor
I believe the wizard of Oz dog is out of Alice. According to the post that was deleted, Alice will produce top dogs regardless of the dog or even breed of dog she is bred to, so Oz's sire is a moot issue.

What I have said about Alice I have said many times about many hounds! Fly II,Tree Slammin Lady and when it came to males,Jet 6. Made that comment on all of them,just as I did Alice.It's nothing more than having faith in what one has. Like I stated,I could breed her to anything and come up with treedogs at the end. It's called having faith. Maybe you should have felt that before you guys sold her back to me and I went my own way with her.If you remember which I do clearly,Pie couldn't get the job done so I left my bussiness,cost me money and came down and got her AI,ed to get these pups on the ground. Without my effort,Pie wouldn't be where he is and same with Alice. Joint effort and I went out of my kennel to get this done. Just Like I did with Echo Joe. I believe she has alot to offer and yes after those 2 crosses came back to my source and bred her to Gauge. Best cross from what I'm seeing but yet went back out and bred to Zero. 4 Play,when Alice was bred to Piazon,don't think he was on the list when the cross was made,Echo Joe,not on the list has moved her up to where she is now and the Gauge cross will put her where one has never been in the bluetick breed. Mike,it was a joint effort on both parts and if you remember,you and Luke Lock purchased Alice from me for 4 g's and I was the one that got her back and paid 6 g's to get her only because I felt the need to pursue greatness thru her. Can't blame one for doing that!!!Sometimes,statements I put on here can confuse one,not this time! Alice is a great reproducer and will continue to do so and that's jmo!!Mike,wish you the best of luck with Pie on down the road and hope it goes well for you! Danny G.

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Posted by Treedoggmafia on 09-29-2015 07:43 PM:

Why the need to breed her to suck greatness if she'll reproduce off anything?

Posted by Tom Jones on 09-29-2015 09:59 PM:

Re: Mike!!!

quote:
Originally posted by Danny Glista
[Piazon,don't think he was on the list when the cross was made,Echo Joe,not on the list has moved her up to where she is now and the Gauge cross will put her where one has never been in the bluetick breed. Danny G. [/B]

Danny, I can understand believing in something and cant ridicule you for that. The statement above does seem a little arrogant (or a lot). I just looked at alices numbers and while they are good, they are actually just average and yawl have a LOOOONG ways to go to get to "where one has never been in the bluetick breed". good luck, and remember folks............."don't drink and post"

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Posted by 4play on 09-30-2015 04:35 AM:

Re: Re: Mike!!!

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Jones
remember folks............."don't drink and post"

Gotta be the best advice on here!!!
lol

Posted by hat creek mac on 10-01-2015 03:51 PM:

Re: Re: Mike!!!

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Jones
I just looked at alices numbers and while they are good, they are actually just average and yawl have a LOOOONG ways to go to get to "where one has never been in the bluetick breed"

That statment is the truth as I see it!

Some people think it is comical to post boastful statements and promote controversy on the board because it gets them "free publicity." The newbies, and folks that don't know, read about ol Wondermutt on the message board and think "he must be good if folks are talking about him." Most coonhunters are intelligent enough to see around the Cool-Aid drinkers, folks that refer to themselves as Uncle, (or in this case "better than Uncle John"), and guys that always have the BEST. (until they sell it to someone else, and then they have a new BEST) There have been all-star breeders in our breed for decades. What some of them have accomplished will probably never be duplicated just for the simple fact that there aren't nearly as many coonhunters today. Look at the drop in numbers of coonhunters in just the last 10 to 15 years.

I have never bought into the repro numbers game in the back of the Coonhound Bloodlines. That doesn't tell me how many truly elite hounds that stud or dam has produced. Making a dog a Nite Ch is NOT very hard. If you have one that you are hauling to the hunts that can't finish to Nite Ch, you don't have much. There was a time when it WAS pretty difficult. I saw a dang nice female here locally that had like 7 or 8 second place wins that never did finish. This was back when hunt numbers were high.

Everyone has an opinion. Tree dogs are a dime a dozen today and that wasn't the case years ago. Although just because they tree, that doesn't mean they can finish to a top hound. It DOES mean if you put a decent handler on one, they can make them a NiteCh. And there you have it...tree power+ decent handler = nite hunt titles and Ol Wondermutt's numbers go up. I'm not saying all of them are that way, but this is how easy you can drive numbers up with tree dogs that will stay treed. Alot of these powerhouses don't come out when the leaves are off. Take them out of "coon zoos" and put them where the coon are thin and they can look pretty stupid. I said all that to make a point....just because a dog produces tree dogs, that doesn't make him or her the greatest thing on earth. I won't call names, but there is a breeder among us that had the market cornered on tree dogs 30+ years ago. His line has always been my "go to" if I needed more TREE in what I was hunting. Some of them might not be the most accurate, but when they crack that head back, they were done and would stay. I have never seen or heard the man brag or boast and there are a lot of folks that are riding on his coat tails today...

Posted by Vic Stoll on 10-01-2015 05:32 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Mike!!!

quote:
Originally posted by hat creek mac
Tree dogs are a dime a dozen today and that wasn't the case years ago. Although just because they tree, that doesn't mean they can finish to a top hound. It DOES mean if you put a decent handler on one, they can make them a NiteCh. And there you have it...tree power+ decent handler = nite hunt titles and Ol Wondermutt's numbers go up. I'm not saying all of them are that way, but this is how easy you can drive numbers up with tree dogs that will stay treed.

Ritchie, you just hit the nail on the head! Very true statements here!

I've got an old potlicker out back that is a dead on representation of what you describe. He finished to Nt. Ch. by the simple virtue he was a stay put pressure tree dog. I could have hauled him to more local hunts & probably finished him to Gr. Nt. Ch., again by the same simple virtue that he would split & hold pressure. I chose not to because bottom line, the dog is very common when it comes to coon treeing ability.

He had above average speed on a running track, was a quick one bark locator off a running track, & once hooked would stay put no matter how close a hound was running or treeing next to him.

The down sides are he is a close to medium hunter by himself (lacks the giddy up), has a below average mouth, common accuracy, lacks speed & decisive locating on older tracks, & is not a layup dog.

I have treed a pile of these woodlot coon with the old potlicker over the years & have enjoyed many hunts with him, but those things still don't change the facts, the cold hard truth that he is just common.

I guess with all this rambling what I'm trying to spit out is that even though a hound may be common, it sure doesn't mean there isn't a place for them where they can be hunted & enjoyed in spite of their faults. On the flip side & to Ritchie's point, a Nt. Ch. title on a common hound sure doesn't warrant being bragged on either

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A couple blue haired potlickers

Gone but not forgotten:
Nt Ch Fanny's Midnite Blue Annie - aka Sodie Pop R.I.P. - I will miss you old girl

Nt Ch Becky�s Midnite Blue Hank - R.I.P. Old Boy, thank you for the memories

Gr Nt Ch S&E's Midnite Lite Blue Snow (Co-Owned with my good friend Harry Eidenier) - We had a blast following you ole girl!

Posted by Tom Jones on 10-01-2015 06:21 PM:

great post men

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Posted by hat creek mac on 10-01-2015 07:07 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Mike!!!

quote:
Originally posted by Vic Stoll

I guess with all this rambling what I'm trying to spit out is that even though a hound may be common, it sure doesn't mean there isn't a place for them where they can be hunted & enjoyed in spite of their faults. On the flip side & to Ritchie's point, a Nt. Ch. title on a common hound sure doesn't warrant being bragged on either

I enjoyed your post Vic!

Most hunters are not as honest as you and that is a fact. It is hard to get a hunter to admit his dog's faults and shortcomings. I have never understood this. They are just dogs. They all have holes. I also agree that they don't have to be a super dog to be an enjoyable companion on a coonhunt! One man's trash is another's treasure. What I really like, some would absolutely hate. What I couldn't live with is another man's cherished companion. Terrain and a hunter's age can sure change the style you prefer.

If you are going to brag on one, they need to be in Charlie Manson's class...

Posted by rance56 on 10-07-2015 12:15 AM:

what i want to know why does it take a trainor suposidly better than wick to start a puppy that is from a suposidly world class reproducing female? an then once they need some serious training ship them off to someone else? dont seem to add up to me

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Posted by rance56 on 10-07-2015 12:15 AM:

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Posted by Danny Glista on 10-07-2015 11:32 AM:

Rance and 4Play

I believe you are both a bit confused! 4Play,I know for sure you are because you don't have a clue what the numbers ????? are so when I get home from the bussiness,I'll explain to both! Have a good day,Danny G.

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Posted by Danny Glista on 10-07-2015 10:46 PM:

4Play

I'm gonna start with you first! If you don't know the facts keep your words to yourself because you have no clue as to the numbers. What you stated is nothing more than hearsay! When you know the facts,feel free to post it and until then,PLEASE keep your mouth shut and do us all a favor! If your thinking your hiding behind that 4Play name,wrong!! I know who you are! Now,when I get done with taking care of the hounds,Rance I'm gonna shoot some facts to you! Till then,Danny G.

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Posted by rance56 on 10-07-2015 11:04 PM:

Go easy Leonard

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Posted by Danny Glista on 10-07-2015 11:27 PM:

Rance

Don't worry,I'll try and not be to hard on you!! LOL!! Gonna take a quick shower first!! Danny G.

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Posted by rance56 on 10-08-2015 12:16 AM:

Folks this is the arrogance we are dealing with. I have a hard time stomaching it

quote:

Danny Glista wrote on 04-29-2008 02:00 AM:
rance56, Jet 9 was destind to be shot at 5 months old!! Very shy and mean according to Larry Harvey who I gave the pup to! He owned his grandma!! Brandy!! Now if you think you know more than I do. I suggest you give me a call and I'll tell all that I know!! Ed Mead has raised some nice hounds~!NO DOUBT!! If it wasn't for me his name may well by now be forgotten!! I'm done with the ******** on this board for now! Gauge is by far the better Jet bred hound that is living out of Jet 8!! That's all I have to say!! Maybe we can go hunting some night!! Where do you live?? Thanks, Danny G.

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Posted by Moderator III on 10-08-2015 12:45 AM:

Re: wow

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Originally posted by 4play
Talk about not knowing facts!!
I call b.s at least 4x's in that rant!
Notice the time sent ....2am

Pat you still messing with these blue dog men ?

Posted by ov_blues on 10-08-2015 01:42 AM:

I hope this thread doesn't get deleted before Danny gets out of the shower. Lol

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Posted by breezyoaks on 10-08-2015 03:05 AM:

Chuckle

Its hell when somebody gets called out of the shower only to find out he has no towel....

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Posted by hat creek mac on 10-08-2015 01:44 PM:

"If is wasn't for me, his name may well by now be forgotten!"

Don't think that is going to happen anytime soon. He has forgotten more about breeding and training tree dogs than most of us will ever hope to know.

I have not seen where he has used ol Wondermutt in his breeding program though... Kind of makes you think huh?

Posted by Tom Jones on 10-08-2015 07:48 PM:

Re: Re: wow

quote:
Originally posted by Moderator III
Pat you still messing with these blue dog men ?

lol ole prostock

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Posted by 4play on 10-08-2015 09:11 PM:

Re: Re: wow

quote:
Originally posted by Moderator III
Pat you still messing with these blue dog men ?

NOPE!
I live 10 min. from Larry,1hr from Ed.I know and hear more than most.So what's posted above is a joke in every aspect!

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