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I count the dens where the coon is seen. Hunted three nights in a row with three different dogs this past week. Leaves are not on enough here to cause issues finding a coon. I counted four dens as coon seen last week. Two of them just happened to be looking , one was made to look by squalling , and one was videoed by camera smart phone with a hand spot light in hole. A fith den I did not see a coon. Another 11 were on the outside and clearly visible, one treed in a big pine tree , amongst a bunch of saplings could barely shine and did not see a coon and two separate trees that were gut slick. Seeing four coon in five dens is above average for me. I suppose some have a 90% success rate squalling coons out of dens because they have a 90% accurate dog. I'm in reasonable good health and fit for my age but not planning on climbing any trees. When it is late December , 15° , snowy and windy , my getting a coon to look out of a den percentage drops even more. I have always given a dog the benefit of the doubt on the dens. Figure dogs have them right about same percentage as coon and slick trees.


High Ridge , when you find that 90% "coon seen" dog please take me hunting with you. I want to be able to say I have hunted with one.

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Originally posted by Fisher13
........... Mine have either been staring at the moon, or curled up hiding.......

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I posted a couple years ago with actual facts and percentages done in the hunts. What some of you guys don't understand is wasted time on circle trees. I've tried more 80/90 percent dogs that were more 25 in my area that I care to talk about. People that have done alot of winning in there lifetime understands that 5 plus beats 5000 circle. Bottom line is that in a cast a hound that don't waist time and don't make mistakes will win every time in moderate to low coon populations. 25 years ago and today NO MATTER the circumstance you put a hound in if they can be where the coon is 70% of the time and seen that's as good as it gets. I've hunted with probobsbly 15 hounds on all time earning list and they were all deadly accurate but had there nights and made mistakes. By the way I took 6 of the most wanted final 4s to be in and looked at scorecards. 2 ukc world hunts and 4 ss cast. Dogs were struck in declared treed 41 times and this counted against them if they backed ect. They were awarded plus points 16 times. Do the math. How many of those handlers would have said there hound was 39% accurate? Most of those cast the card was filled with action and one coon was scored. That's why a hound that can be deep and Lonley every time with 2 lookin down 70% of the time is poison in my area. And little blue has proven that.

EVERY TIME YOU GO HUNTING IF YOU TREE THREE TIMES AND SEE TWO COONS THATS 67% I'LL SIGN UP FOR THAT RIGHT NOW!

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Originally posted by shadinc
EVERY TIME YOU GO HUNTING IF YOU TREE THREE TIMES AND SEE TWO COONS THATS 67% I'LL SIGN UP FOR THAT RIGHT NOW!

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I agree totally but I WILL SURE BUY THAT 90% DOG. ESPECIALLY IF THEY WONT BACK A WOOD MONSTER.

MY PHONE HAS NOT RANG ONCE NOR HAVE I HAD A MESSAGE OF ANYONE TO SALE OR SHOW ME IT. FELLOWS,COME ON YOU CAN MAKE A SMALL FORTUNE OFF ME. PLUS,I WILL WIN A SMALL FORTUNE WITH THAT DOG. IF ITS 90% AND WONT BACK A WOOD MONSTER I SEE A WORLD TITLE IN MY FUTURE.

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Originally posted by Kevin Deboy
Jason Baldwin , shame on you for starting this thread. Ha ha.

I have a dog I consider accurate and I really like him. A couple hunts this past winter stand out in my mind. Cold moon light nights with some snow on the ground. He made three trees and all had holes in them. I did not see a coon looking out of the hole so I guess he is 0% accurate. A couple a nights later under the same conditions he made four trees three big dens and one coon on the outside , 25% accurate. Currently the past few hunts he is treeing coons seen at a rate of 100%. I would have to say that if you hunt hard year round and count coon seen and coon not seen that no dog would make the 90% standard. If you would pick only the exceptionally good nights to hunt you might have a better chance of making this mark. Even hunting on the good nights you will probably tree a den that you may or may not see the coon. During the year you have a few fooler trees with limbs running out to the ground extending across a creek or fence row you would have another blank. Just saying if you hunt a dog year round through the hot , wet , dry , cold , snowy or just plain perfect nights I have never had a 90% average for the year. Nor have I hunted with anyone else's dog making 90% yearly average either.

High Ridge , I think it is possible for a dog to meet the criteria you have laid down. Especially this time of year , the dog probably wouldn't be for sale.

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Most of you boy's need to get a coon dog....not a comp dog and you will be amazed...

Another thing that I learned is don't go pushing many of them so called small dens over. They will sure hurt your feelings. At least my non 90% dogs hurt my feelings a few times.

The last two nights my pup has been 100%. Week before that he was 60%. Best I ever had a dog do was 19/19. Obviously,I have never owned a good dog. No man alive corrects their dogs more than I for screw ups. Some are small corrections some extreme. I hunt extremely regular not a once a week guy or once a month. I demand a lot out of a dog. Probably too much. I am never satisfied. I also try to be totally honest with myself about what is on my lead. If I am not I will never have the dog I want.

WITH THE ABOVE BEING SAID PLEASE TELL ME WHAT I NEED TO DO TO ACHIEVE A DOG LIKE WE ARE SPEAKING OF. IF I CULLED BELOW 90 DOGS MY PEN WOULD STAY EMPTY. AM I NOT CORRECTING ENOUGH? AM I DEALING WITH WRONG BLOODLINES? YOU ALL TELL ME. MY EARS ARE OPEN.

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Greg,what is def of comp dog? What is a coon dog? I normally like to go to a hunt with a coon dog. Seems I can win more. Seems like a dog that blank trees is considered a comp dog. I can't win big checks if I don't have eyeballs. So,my theory is get that ol coon dog that gets over there alone away from all the crazy crap and score coons with him or her. Get a lot of CW that way.

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high ridge you need to get you a main street hound.

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Originally posted by high ridge
I agree totally but I WILL SURE BUY THAT 90% DOG. ESPECIALLY IF THEY WONT BACK A WOOD MONSTER.

MY PHONE HAS NOT RANG ONCE NOR HAVE I HAD A MESSAGE OF ANYONE TO SALE OR SHOW ME IT. FELLOWS,COME ON YOU CAN MAKE A SMALL FORTUNE OFF ME. PLUS,I WILL WIN A SMALL FORTUNE WITH THAT DOG. IF ITS 90% AND WONT BACK A WOOD MONSTER I SEE A WORLD TITLE IN MY FUTURE.

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Originally posted by high ridge
I agree totally but I WILL SURE BUY THAT 90% DOG. ESPECIALLY IF THEY WONT BACK A WOOD MONSTER.

MY PHONE HAS NOT RANG ONCE NOR HAVE I HAD A MESSAGE OF ANYONE TO SALE OR SHOW ME IT. FELLOWS,COME ON YOU CAN MAKE A SMALL FORTUNE OFF ME. PLUS,I WILL WIN A SMALL FORTUNE WITH THAT DOG. IF ITS 90% AND WONT BACK A WOOD MONSTER I SEE A WORLD TITLE IN MY FUTURE.

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PR Van Dusen's Hanna o/h
NTCH PR Buck Brush Little Maggie o/h
NTCH PR Buck Brush Little Mickey o/h
PR Buck Brush Copper o/h
D NTCH PR Crooked Oak Boss o/h
D NtCH PR Alford's Alibi h
NTCH PR Alford's Hatchet h
NT CH PR Mill's Dotty h

Buck sorry to upset you. You stated your dog was not for sale so I figured why waste your time or mine. Chill ol buddy I not trying to down you or your dog.

I do keep a wood monster around to train with.

Make no mistake though,when I turn one loose,which I do a bunch,you can believe it can tree coons.

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Hoosier you could be right. I had one called Main Street Ghost that could sure tree coons. I sold him to a guy in NC who loves him. He was very accurate but had a few quirks. I had a couple Main Street that was little happy. But,Ghost was a coon treer. I will be breeding a cross bred gyp to Jack soon

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Originally posted by jackbob42
Did you " see " them doing this ? Or are you guessing ?

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Originally posted by Fisher13
Our leaves aren't on so I have been paying attention to how many coon I see verse how many eyes I see. Almost all of mine have been at the top looking at the moon. If I had to put a number I would say probably only 20percent have I seen the eyes and the body.

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Originally posted by high ridge
Another thing that I learned is don't go pushing many of them so called small dens over. They will sure hurt your feelings. At least my non 90% dogs hurt my feelings a few times.

The last two nights my pup has been 100%. Week before that he was 60%. Best I ever had a dog do was 19/19. Obviously,I have never owned a good dog. No man alive corrects their dogs more than I for screw ups. Some are small corrections some extreme. I hunt extremely regular not a once a week guy or once a month. I demand a lot out of a dog. Probably too much. I am never satisfied. I also try to be totally honest with myself about what is on my lead. If I am not I will never have the dog I want.

WITH THE ABOVE BEING SAID PLEASE TELL ME WHAT I NEED TO DO TO ACHIEVE A DOG LIKE WE ARE SPEAKING OF. IF I CULLED BELOW 90 DOGS MY PEN WOULD STAY EMPTY. AM I NOT CORRECTING ENOUGH? AM I DEALING WITH WRONG BLOODLINES? YOU ALL TELL ME. MY EARS ARE OPEN.

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Fisher, I agree totally with you.

Also,what if a dog trails a coon to tree checks all the way around it and settles in. You get to tree and notice entire top broke off going into a tree 30 feet away. No doubt dog put coon up right tree but there was an escape route that there was no way the dog could have known about.

Or same on creek bank. Tree on this side but branches growing together. No way for dog get over and check.

Both scenarios dog could have had a coon but there was an escape route.

But,we can't count that as coon seen since it wasn't. Make 10 trees a night. 8 see coons then two trees like that you got 80% seen. THERE ARE JUST WAY TO MANY VARIABLES BEYOND DOG OR MANS CONTROL THAT MAKES JAN 1 to DEC 31 CONTINUOUSLY HAVING 90% SEEN.

I DOUBT NO MAN OR THEIR DOG. I SIMPLY WANT TO SEE IT.

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Also,in rough mountain hunting coon goes up tree beside cliff. No doubt coon went up it but there no way dog can get up cliff to check top of tree. One can't count that as a coon because it not seen. It could just been slick.

To many variables

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I actually think a lot of slicks you walk deep in the country to had a coon in them at one time.

Think on this. You,the coon,are running for your life with a predator chasing. You climb tree to flee scared to death. You are up in tree for 45 minutes or more getting more and more nervous that your life is near the end. How far could you jump. What risk would you take to save your life. I think more bail than we think. Just my opinion.

I know the above is a bizarre scenario but I have thought about it often.

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Billy you need you some dot. You will pray to draw the wood monsters. She's not 90% but about as accurate as I've seen in cast situations. We have gotten tickets last 2 times we ran. In April last year she was only scored on 2 trees that was not plused and won about 2 grand that month. In January we went to 9 hunts won seven. This is pretty amazing here: we drew 18 hounds that month stayed in the woods 27 hours Only one coon was scored the other dogs treed she treed 11. And people wonder why I like a dead loner. We have went 18 trees before with coons seen in everyone. Bring one 90 % were I live it would be unfair for others if a dog could get scored 2 times in 2 hours. We won 2 grand in open jan in Deep South treeing one coon in 2 hours and holding our points. That's not made up you can look it up.

I know Dots a good one. To much winning not to be the right kind. Enjoy her as you know how tough it is to find that rare gem.

I got a fall one year old I like very well. Best I had in last ten years. I been lucky and won 7 out of 9 with him in February and March. I hope he continues. Always alone on cast. Quarter strike dog I don't much care for but he good at staying clean and having grease. I not gonna push him much till after Fall SS. Me and him just enjoying watching coons fall down right now. Working on few quirks with him.

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Originally posted by N Williams
When the leaves get on they will look at almost every time if you have a good squaller.

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What I have seen with higher percentage dogs is they will often tap a tree with a coon in and then move on. For example, a dog picks up a good sow track, this time of year many of our sows stay close to dens. So the dog tracks the coon to a family den, locates but then checks and finds there is a track leading away from the den, from another coon living in the same tree, the dog continues on and 20 minutes later deep in the country has the coon. Or maybe in the summer when a sow sends her kittens up a tree and continues, I have noticed this type of dog will check that tree with the kittens on and then move on with sow.

That's all great and everything but I want my dog to tree the coon it trailed, not grab another track. If it's a den tree so be it,I can't expect my do to know that, they can trail that one up after a I turn them loose from the den tree.

There is a difference between a dog just grabbing a den, or back tracking to a den, but you can't distinguish these nuances through a percentage or a number, because coon do climb trees with holes in. Certain woods have more dens available then others.

Accuracy is like any other trait, by itself it's not that advantageous, but combine with speed,heart,brains,mouth, etc etc then ya got something to brag about.

I have seen my fair share of dogs that miss more then what I would prefer, but I have also seen my fair share of dogs run past the tree and hop on to another track, or leave a tree. Ya got to have some tree in a hound, to tree coon effectively, after all coon do climb trees last time. I checked.

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