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There was a post on this sometime ago, the best post I saw in thread, basically made the point, that you can find whatever trait your looking for in any coon hound breed, if you look hard enough.

If I were you I would start with the traits you are looking for, then try to figure out which line out there throws them traits or trait, and then try to find a stud dog out of that line with an owner you feel has the same appreciation for the same kind of traits you like in a hound. More then likely there stud will reproduce the desired traits you are seeking.

One of the nice things about hounds, is that there pretty genetically healthy, no hip issues and other genetic disease. I believe some of those issues are more prevalent in other breeds and would be careful to research that aspect of it as well.

yes sy i do have redbones, what do you have there?

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No real breeder will ever let you know, they can or could have been banned from registry's, I have had thru the years some of the heaviest House bred hounds alive in these parts, certain stains have something else in them, I was told from a couple different people that the bird dog was bred in to keep from cold tracking( blueticking a track to death)lol. And to add to the drifting ability. I know my females and never had they thrown a flag tail or slender hyper active hound till bred to a male of that strain. You have to raise allot of pups from a set family to see the difference. So yes I believe it was done. Secretly!

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That ol flag tail comes out here and there. Just what's that from recken. Looks like a german shepard. Is it Springer spaniel or something?

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That ol flag tail comes out here and there. Just what's that from recken. Looks like a german shepard. Is it Springer spaniel or something?

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No real breeder will ever let you know, they can or could have been banned from registry's, I have had thru the years some of the heaviest House bred hounds alive in these parts, certain stains have something else in them, I was told from a couple different people that the bird dog was bred in to keep from cold tracking( blueticking a track to death)lol. And to add to the drifting ability. I know my females and never had they thrown a flag tail or slender hyper active hound till bred to a male of that strain. You have to raise allot of pups from a set family to see the difference. So yes I believe it was done. Secretly!

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Ty, The time period I am referring to is when some of these walker strains were being produced.

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The dog of choice was the English Pointer, characteristics were hard going and hard hunting,winding ability, block head and a little shorter ears, colors are liver and white, orange and white and black and white, also will exhibit splotchy pink nose. Very short coat. Hmm I remember some good breeders when I was a kid that had good bird dogs plus there hounds and there hounds were known for some of these traits.

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You guys that don't think this cross will work, You know the world is round right ? Not one of you guy have had one or hunted with one (HA HA that you know of) But you just know with all your heart that it will not work. Do you think the breed your hunting today just fell out of the sky. Come on guys the year is 2014.

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You guys that don't think this cross will work, You know the world is round right ? Not one of you guy have had one or hunted with one (HA HA that you know of) But you just know with all your heart that it will not work. Do you think the breed your hunting today just fell out of the sky. Come on guys the year is 2014.

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This thread has been dead for a min, but still on the search for a walker X GSP cross. Anyone out there got one or both? I can't even find a GSP female pup forsale with out spending some cash.

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Understood, but a lot of these breeders are charging these high prices because of other reasons. I'm lookin for somthing out of hunting stock.

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Whats the intent again to make a better squirrel dog or a better coondog? Ive never tried breeding a bird dog to a hound to see if it makes a good coondog. Maybe it would I definitely would like to see one go hunting just to see. But as far as a squirrel dog why would you want a hound in the mix? I know they're exceptions to anything I have saw a few hounds that were good squirrel dogs but in my experience with my hounds trying to squirrel hunt them they open bark on a trail one of the instinct that born in them. And if a dog barks on a trail the squirrel timbers out into a den tree and its over then. So if I was seriously wanting a squirrel dog hound wouldn't be in the mix. Now thats just my opinion and I would like to hear other opinions.

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im not ready to mix gsp with my rag tag hound breeding program but ive had some fun "bird" hunting with several friends shorthairs.

seen bird hunts turn to coonhunts up the tree, ground catches, and in holes. mostly in cat tail slews and no doubt coon were right there on the ground. most hunting dogs hate a coon.

also seen coyote chases and catches. same with skunks, possums, porkies, rabbits ect... oh and deer some will run deer for miles.

most the fun stuff ive seen was with young bird dogs or guys that refused to trash break.

as well have shot a pile of pheasants over pointing dog when you figured no way would be a bird there.

great bird dog but they will hunt anything and some have amazing grit. for a lot of years they were more than a "bird" dog.

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My point on the squirrel dog is that if I seriously wanted to kill squirrels I would want a dog that was silent on track and barked on the tree. And thats not what most hounds do.

But like you said on the last post dogs use to be multi use hunting dogs but breeding specifically for fox coon rabbit bird ect.made it easier to train.

When I was a kid I had a basset and mut cross that was an exceptional good rabbit dog. I later got a fiest that trained him to tree squirrel and he trained her to run rabbit until she got ran over then it was back to just rabbit. Fun times

Now I have black and tan coonhounds I take them squirrel hunting occasionaly but they make better coondogs because of what I mentioned earlier. And if a young dog runs a deer I secretly enjoy it a little because they have took our deer dog hunting rights away from us here were I live and I miss it.

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We don't very many gray squirrels around me, those are the ones that timber out. I think what some people may find with hunting squirrels with hounds is that there is to much nose power and most trees would be slicks because of old tracks. From what I under stand is that if you took your GSP to the park, and it saw a squirrel, it wouldn't start tracking to the tree. It's a sight chase and they just want to catch it. If you crossed a GSP with a cur or hound, now we are using all the tools: the winding ability, the tracking, the treeing, and the "cross" should make some dogs that will put the meat in the sack.

There's no doubt in my mind that there would be some trash breaking needed but that's what's so cool about it. If Joe over in OK wants to use them on cats then use them on cats, I want them for squirrel and mostly coon.

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Bird dogs

If you want the heads up winding type dog why not Try pure fox hound X Blue Tick, Most Good Fox dogs will run with their head in the air not on the gound ............

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That is something that I didnt know about squirrel we mostly have grey squirrel here and if you see a fox squirrel its rare and you go home and tell all your buddies about it. Lol So I just assumed they all timber. You said you mostly would want them to tree coon well maybe it would work. You definitely got my attention I would consider trying one if I was looking for a pup. I dont think everyone should quit breeding purebred but I have no problem trying something every now and then just be honest with people who get those pups. I have a hound with longer hair than most hounds. He came from a respectable breeder and I was shocked when he got grown and had that hair. But I have learned that it comes from that line of dogs from years ago before that breeder used that blood in his kennel. Do you reckon it comes from a bird dog?

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If you want the heads up winding type dog why not Try pure fox hound X Blue Tick, Most Good Fox dogs will run with their head in the air not on the gound ............

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I've got a little blue ticked female, she's a pet, her daddy is a registered english pointer, her mother is a ukc registered american bluetick, i gave a littermate brother to her, to a good friend of mine. He gave Socks, to his sister, she lives on a farm, the dog trees everything around there, and crawls in bed, sleeps with the kids at night. He said you couldn't buy that dog for love or money. Mine loves to go hunting, hasn't treed, but i have seen her stretched out up on a tree, as far as she could go, i thought if i had just waited 5 minutes, she would be treeing. Years ago, my dad bought an old bluetick looking dog, that had come in to a bowling alley, looked like he had bird dog in him . They hunted the dog that winter, he would fight coons, be at the tree, looking up, but would not bark. Dad bought him, took him squirel hunting, he saw a couple of squirels running around in the top of a black oak, the dog"s mouth got to quiverling, he said speak to him, he started barking. My uncle Lew, took him on trial the 12th day of december, by the 4th of Febuary, they had caught 124 coons, he made a once in a life time coon dog.

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Multipurpose (trashy) beagles.

Treeing on a squirrel


Treeing on a chipmunk


She caught this one on the ground. She's caught two squirrels on the ground and a couple rabbits. She's definitely not fast so I guess she must be sneaky.

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My buddy down by Indy IN had a Beagle that would tree squirrels.

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