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Posted by hollaback maine on 03-10-2014 03:41 AM:

Great dogs dont need to get alone if they are in front! Kinda like a spoiled kid that dont wanna play when they cant have it their way! go kick the ball alone? Lack of ambition and desire to compete is poor development socially...... I sure dont want that in my kennels gene pool!

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Posted by joeinmo on 03-10-2014 05:51 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by hollaback maine
Great dogs dont need to get alone if they are in front! Kinda like a spoiled kid that dont wanna play when they cant have it their way! go kick the ball alone? Lack of ambition and desire to compete is poor development socially...... I sure dont want that in my kennels gene pool!

I once had a man tell me if his dogs couldn't compete heads up treeing coon he didn't want them. he thought one that snuck off and treed them was a bad looser. there sure is a lot of ways to look at things lol

Posted by hollaback maine on 03-10-2014 06:20 AM:

Long before any comp,hounds were used to hunt for food and work to tree or hold at bay the animal desired....Nowhere in history is there talk of the special hound that got alone!....Our 4 fathers would of culled them for not helping in the hunt.....Like a bad employee if they dont work well with other,fire em'!

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Posted by BIG$BLUES on 03-10-2014 07:16 AM:

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I once had a man tell me if his dogs couldn't compete heads up treeing coon he didn't want them. he thought one that snuck off and treed them was a bad looser. there sure is a lot of ways to look at things lol

Lol sneaky sore looser I never thought of it that way

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Posted by ov_blues on 03-10-2014 12:30 PM:

I talked with a guy one time who didn't like hiss young female because she wouldn't pack with his brothers older dog and was finding fault with her. i ask him why he wasn't faulting his brothers dog for not packing wit his young female. i pleasure hunt way more than i competition hunt but i still want dogs that will do their own thing.

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Posted by southernthunder on 03-10-2014 01:38 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by hollaback maine
Great dogs dont need to get alone if they are in front! Kinda like a spoiled kid that dont wanna play when they cant have it their way! go kick the ball alone? Lack of ambition and desire to compete is poor development socially...... I sure dont want that in my kennels gene pool!

Great post Bill. Bet you cant wait for it to thaw out up there

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Posted by hat creek mac on 03-10-2014 03:58 PM:

one man's trash is another man's treasure

if I wanted to pack hunt I would buy 4 beagles

Posted by rance56 on 03-10-2014 05:28 PM:

some of these pack dogs probally just get it honest from their owners. you know the ones that don't want to make it on their merits so they attach themselves to a line or breeder so they can share in the successes of others and ride the coattails. kind of like a pack dog of another sort

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Posted by bigjake318 on 03-10-2014 05:53 PM:

Why...

do people think that independence equates to a competition style hound? I don't compete in the hunts but won't own one that won't do it by themselves. Most of those pack oriented dogs don't have enough hunt for me when they are cut by themselves. Since when did the old timers need a pack to tree a coon? I've never hunted with a pack of squirrel dogs. I've had the privilege to hunt with some great old houndsmen and none of those men wanted a bunch of me too style dogs. Why? Less game caught and harvested. Give me an independent dog any day. If I had to choose between a dead loner and a packer, give me the loner. When me and my hunting partner went hunting we would tree twice as many coons, which is why I coon hunt, to look at coons in trees. I will go to the tree by myself and my partner too, we ain't scared of the dark and don't need dogs that have to help each other tree a little ol coon.

Posted by joeinmo on 03-10-2014 06:33 PM:

balance

I want them balanced if he has company that's fine I want him the fastest in there that dosent make him a me to dog at all in my eyes that makes him a ass kicker. but if he can get one by him self to that's great to. but just because he will pack to a extent dosent make him a me to dog. dosent matter to me if he gets treed in front of them or beside them or away from them as long as he is first lol.

Posted by hollaback maine on 03-10-2014 06:46 PM:

I wont own a dog that wont do it alone when hunting alone! Hard to tree bears with dogs that dont work as a team! I see coons as no different.....If turning 4 dogs down means going to 4 separate trees you can have it!.....In Maine you'll be in trouble......Especially in late December...If shooting a coon out, and it was on the ground would you want your dog to leave it and not join in on the action to find another one for himself instead? Why? one is already there????? to each is own....they wont eat here! A loner has all the ingredients of a trouble maker at a tree! He want to be alone for a reason and generally trouble follows!

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Posted by z-town-blue on 03-10-2014 06:59 PM:

won't play with others....LMAO

This is not a team sport, ..How many times have you seen a pack of dogs win the World Hunt?? or a cast of dogs Win A.O??. lol
......"I have only seen a single dog win any hunt"...
..Some me too dogs may win events buy their slick , quick tounged handler, But , for the most part it is the one that will tree coon with no help from others and get off by themselves tree a coon and hold pressure and be accurate...

..."Not to mouthy on the ground, deep and lonely with two looking down." Now that's my kind of hound....GetttrreDone!!!

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Posted by BIG$BLUES on 03-10-2014 07:08 PM:

Re: won't play with others....LMAO

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Originally posted by z-town-blue
This is not a team sport, ..How many times have you seen a pack of dogs win the World Hunt?? or a cast of dogs Win A.O??. lol
......"I have only seen a single dog win any hunt"...
..Some me too dogs may win events buy their slick , quick tounged handler, But , for the most part it is the one that will tree coon with no help from others and get off by themselves tree a coon and hold pressure and be accurate...

..."Not to mouthy on the ground, deep and lonely with two looking down." Now that's my kind of hound....GetttrreDone!!!

Good post and you are right some like the pack dog and they like the cast to get deep so they can tree ol gooden as soon as they hear a dog looking up because they know they will be there it works until they draw Someone that won't let them get away with it

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Posted by bigjake318 on 03-10-2014 07:10 PM:

With all due respect....

quote:
Originally posted by hollaback maine
I wont own a dog that wont do it alone when hunting alone! Hard to tree bears with dogs that dont work as a team! I see coons as no different.....If turning 4 dogs down means going to 4 separate trees you can have it!.....In Maine you'll be in trouble......Especially in late December...If shooting a coon out, and it was on the ground would you want your dog to leave it and not join in on the action to find another one for himself instead? Why? one is already there????? to each is own....they wont eat here! A loner has all the ingredients of a trouble maker at a tree! He want to be alone for a reason and generally trouble follows!

We are not hunting bears in Maine, and the subject of the coon on the ground is miles away of the subject matter of any post on this thread. I've found most loners are the ones staying away from trouble. 4 different trees with meat in all 4 trees=1 awesome hunt.

Posted by hollaback maine on 03-10-2014 07:12 PM:

If that's your thing and its fun for you have at it! They'll never eat here! Your comment about me too dogs wont eat here either....They need to run a honest track themselves but not run over one to get alone either! big difference!......

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Posted by hollaback maine on 03-10-2014 07:16 PM:

Im talking about dogs that wont honor a track they have to cross over to get by themselves!.....

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Posted by hollaback maine on 03-10-2014 07:16 PM:

Im talking about dogs that wont honor a track they have to cross over to get by themselves!.....

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Posted by hat creek mac on 03-10-2014 07:16 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by hollaback maine
A loner has all the ingredients of a trouble maker at a tree! He want to be alone for a reason and generally trouble follows!

I am lost....

you mean to tell me if a dog is a loner, he or she also has aggression problems?????

Posted by hollaback maine on 03-10-2014 07:19 PM:

Seen a few claim trees that get by themselve that id never feed for that reason....not saying all are that way just the few I've seen.....

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Posted by Vic Stoll on 03-10-2014 07:51 PM:

Re: won't play with others....LMAO

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..."Not to mouthy on the ground, deep and lonely with two looking down." Now that's my kind of hound....GetttrreDone!!!

Murph you ole rascal, you been giving them woodlot coons up that way the what for? Got a question for ya, lots of folks talk about two looking down, how in the world do you train those ole coons up there to look every time? Maybe I'm just unlucky, but more often than not these woodlot coons around here will not look at ya. Could it be one of the many mysteries of the bluetick message board forum?

Take care & keep ole blue in that timber!

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Posted by Tom Jones on 03-10-2014 08:23 PM:

Re: Re: won't play with others....LMAO

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Originally posted by Vic Stoll
Murph you ole rascal, you been giving them woodlot coons up that way the what for? Got a question for ya, lots of folks talk about two looking down, how in the world do you train those ole coons up there to look every time? Maybe I'm just unlucky, but more often than not these woodlot coons around here will not look at ya. Could it be one of the many mysteries of the bluetick message board forum?

Take care & keep ole blue in that timber!

because his hound is more then 50% accurate so instead of looking at imaginary coon there is actually one in the tree lol or maybe them pet coon you have up there are not interested in looking since they are so use to you treeing them all the time.................just giving you a hard time stoll, be good

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Posted by mikehurt on 03-10-2014 08:32 PM:

???

After reading this entire thread, I'm not sure I even know what a good dog is......Pretty sure I've hunted a couple of mean dogs through the years and didn't even realize it......Huh.

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Posted by southernthunder on 03-10-2014 08:37 PM:

you can always tell who is realy packing something they like verses the kind that just talks about it, cause they are the ones spending the money packing them to the hunts and not always on here talking about what everyone else needs to be hunting or the kind they wish they had lol

carry on fellas. i'm just going to keep hunting my sorry junk till something better comes along

Posted by bigjake318 on 03-10-2014 09:01 PM:

Well....

quote:
Originally posted by southernthunder
you can always tell who is realy packing something they like verses the kind that just talks about it, cause they are the ones spending the money packing them to the hunts and not always on here talking about what everyone else needs to be hunting or the kind they wish they had lol

carry on fellas. i'm just going to keep hunting my sorry junk till something better comes along

I will have to disagree there, what I got I like, they will do it themselves and will get by themselves. I havnt been to a hunt in years and don't care to. Doesn't mean for one second that I don't pack a coon hound.

Posted by mikehurt on 03-10-2014 09:07 PM:

I've got a sick kid, so I am catching up on some reading.
But if anybody gets tired of this subject, there is some mighty good reading on the Coonhound forum about the use of Garmins in the hunts... Lol.

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