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Posted by Tom Jones on 09-10-2013 04:12 AM:

Re: Re: rance

quote:
Originally posted by rance56
tom you seem to run your mouth alot here lately about what you know and what you had and what people should do ect ect.

what have you ever done or owned that makes you such a qualified person to give thier opinion all the dang time. i dont want to hear about shoulda coulda would ofs, just what have you an your dogs accomplished. ive tried to be polite to you and just discuss things but you go out of your way to try to start something with me.

and if you have a problem with anything i have said my number is 404-219-1199. now continue to talk about coon hunting while others are actually doing it. i.e INTERNET HUNTER!

You mean my opinion? I give it when I please and you asked the question to start with, oh but I knew why before I even reposted. We agree alot I believe but nobody always can.
What would calling you solve seriously.

I will be the first to admit that I ain't been hunting to hard, when you are severely lacking in dog power you usually find a excuse to stay home.

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Posted by rance56 on 09-10-2013 01:52 PM:

Re: Re: Re: rance

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Jones
You mean my opinion? I give it when I please and you asked the question to start with, oh but I knew why before I even reposted. We agree alot I believe but nobody always can.
What would calling you solve seriously.

I will be the first to admit that I ain't been hunting to hard, when you are severely lacking in dog power you usually find a excuse to stay home.

i ask questions to get people thinking for themselves and to have a decent discussion on things. maybe you should do alittle more thinking on things before giving your opinion on everything all the time and you might not be severly lacking in dog power all the time. thats one of the problems, people who least qualified to give advice are the ones that are always giving it.

btw, lots of your comments are stated n a matter of fact way, not an opinion. and we have moderators on here, i dotn need someone like yourself trying to dress me down like im a child.

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Posted by max destruction on 09-10-2013 01:57 PM:

I hope all of you.that been doin this for 30 years and got the breeding program perfected will be headin to zones this year and put on a better showing than at AO!

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Posted by southernthunder on 09-10-2013 01:58 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by coonbone
I've hunted with enough Rambo II dogs to know that Rambo II put loud mouths,independence,and good conformation in his pups.
Also hunted with enough Bullet dogs to know that they tree layed up coons more often than most lines of dogs.
Noticed the Echo dogs win a lot of bench shows,and have seen where they have place in some big hunts.

I agree. our dogs are a tight mixture of these hounds together and how you described them is how they are. we do get some extra big ones crop out from time to time though lol

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Posted by southernthunder on 09-10-2013 02:03 PM:

Re: mr smith

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Jones
Talk to southerthunder and see what popatop again is throwing. He has close to a dozen titled hound out of under a 100 pups. I don't have any personal experience to give you. I have personally seen truck clouds from bullet 2 and several different females like you described. Good luck

only 89 pups on the ground and over 10% In reproduction for Pop A Top Again.

the dam to those dogs only had 27 pups and was over 22% in reproduction. her name was Rambo's Flag "Jane" and was a daughter of Rambo II.

Posted by Tom Jones on 09-10-2013 02:18 PM:

Re: Re: mr smith

quote:
Originally posted by southernthunder
only 89 pups on the ground and over 10% In reproduction for Pop A Top Again.

the dam to those dogs only had 27 pups and was over 22% in reproduction. her name was Rambo's Flag "Jane" and was a daughter of Rambo II.

wow, that is very impressive................Joe said she was a wild hunting gyp who would get gone and treed in a hurry

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Posted by southernthunder on 09-10-2013 02:29 PM:

Re: Re: Re: mr smith

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Jones
wow, that is very impressive................Joe said she was a wild hunting gyp who would get gone and treed in a hurry

we have a litter of her grandpups that act just like her! complete loners lol

Posted by ov_blues on 09-10-2013 03:54 PM:

I own and have hunted with several different dogs bred up with a lot of the different dogs and lines that have been mentioned so far. I've seen different strengths and weakness' in all of them and from what I've read on here, I'm not too far off on what my assessments have been of different lines so far. Even if I choose to mix some of the bloodlines, I know I need to breed for the traits that I like and I am hoping that strengths will come forward and can overcome some of the weaknesses that I see. Hopefully all of us can in some way help to move our breed forward.

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Posted by 408northville on 09-10-2013 04:05 PM:

Jesse, Since you keep asking were there are, they must not be at your house.
Come over, there here, I will show them to you, not on coons but bobcats. Bring your best bobcat dog over. They will do it with coons too if I had any interest but with all the game, coons are too easy for my hounds.

quote:
Originally posted by max destruction
I hope all of you.that been doin this for 30 years and got the breeding program perfected will be headin to zones this year and put on a better showing than at AO!

Posted by okietreedog on 09-10-2013 04:11 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by 408northville
Jesse, Since you keep asking were there are, they must not be at your house.
Come over, there here, I will show them to you, not on coons but bobcats. Bring your best bobcat dog over. They will do it with coons too if I had any interest but with all the game, coons are too easy for my hounds.

Is this invite open to anyone? I would like to see your dogs go

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Posted by Tom Jones on 09-10-2013 04:31 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by 408northville
Jesse, Since you keep asking were there are, they must not be at your house.
Come over, there here, I will show them to you, not on coons but bobcats. Bring your best bobcat dog over. They will do it with coons too if I had any interest but with all the game, coons are too easy for my hounds.

where in texas are you located, I love a hound that can blow the air out of a cat and make him freeze up. tell me how they are bred please??

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Posted by max destruction on 09-11-2013 12:57 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by 408northville
Jesse, Since you keep asking were there are, they must not be at your house.
Come over, there here, I will show them to you, not on coons but bobcats. Bring your best bobcat dog over. They will do it with coons too if I had any interest but with all the game, coons are too easy for my hounds.

Well enjoy your bobcat dogs!
Now back onto coondogs,theres 74 blueticks goin to zones,does any of em havr ALL the tools to make it to the end?

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Posted by Tom Jones on 09-11-2013 01:10 AM:

lol

There is 11% blueticks to 59% walkers. They only allow a small % to go through each zone so we will end up at about 2%. I know I know it doesn't matter but if the odds where flipped I know where the smart money would be

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Posted by max destruction on 09-11-2013 01:15 AM:

Well that leaves 41% other breeds besides walkers,so does that mean there wil be 2 walkers in final 4 and 2 from other breeds? No matter what color dog your hunting you GOTTA win yur cast so throwyour percentages out the window!

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Posted by Tom Jones on 09-11-2013 01:43 AM:

jesse

In the zones winning your cast guarantees nothing as they only take a % of the cast winners. Good luck to all the real coonhunters making the trip

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Posted by max destruction on 09-11-2013 01:43 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Blue Iron
Maybe not a bunch of Blue dogs winning big, but there are some out there that win way more than they lose and do it all over the country.

You got names and resumes? I follow pretty close and i allready got a pup outa piazon,id say him and his pups have acomplished more than any other male alive!

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Posted by max destruction on 09-11-2013 01:44 AM:

Re: jesse

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Jones
In the zones winning your cast guarantees nothing as they only take a % of the cast winners. Good luck to all the real coonhunters making the trip

Win your cast 2 nites youll get threw!

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Posted by bluetickman2002 on 09-11-2013 03:19 AM:

wow you guys are makein up excuses for losein the world hunt and it hasent even happened yet LOL!

it shouldn't matter if there is a thousand walkers there if you are packin the best dog that is all that matters

even if a blue dog wins the world it isn't gonna make the one you own any better

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Posted by Blue Iron on 09-11-2013 03:37 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by max destruction
You got names and resumes? I follow pretty close and i allready got a pup outa piazon,id say him and his pups have acomplished more than any other male alive!

Dancer, Son, Hillbilly, Jet 8, Gauge, Grover, Double Barrel Durango. Pie for sure too. Brummy has held his own anywhere I've carried him. That's dogs that are alive or recently deceased, several more in the past that were a handful any time you drew them. Not a bunch like I said, but some that I'd put up against anything.

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Posted by max destruction on 09-11-2013 03:46 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Blue Iron
Dancer, Son, Hillbilly, Jet 8, Gauge, Grover, Double Barrel Durango. Pie for sure too. Brummy has held his own anywhere I've carried him. Not a bunch like I said, but some that I'd put up against anything.

Dancers gone,sons gone nobodys breeding to 8 and his pups aint winning now much,gauge was a winned and his pups are winning now,piezon was bred at an older age and his pups are young yet but winnung,Brummys got in top100 and got wins at a couple hunts but the verdict is still out on his pups,7winning dogs can be named? Really? I think we need improvment!

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Posted by Blue Iron on 09-11-2013 03:59 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by max destruction
Dancers gone,sons gone nobodys breeding to 8 and his pups aint winning now much,gauge was a winned and his pups are winning now,piezon was bred at an older age and his pups are young yet but winnung,Brummys got in top100 and got wins at a couple hunts but the verdict is still out on his pups,7winning dogs can be named? Really? I think we need improvment!

All of those have won on the big stage. Does the Bluetick breed need improvement? Absolutely. But:

quote:
Originally posted by max destruction
408 im not doubting your method but how is it working? Im still not seeing any bluedogs winning big?

7 is a heap more than ANY. Those 7 are ones I've personally hunted with or have trusted friends that hunted with them.

You've got the Echo, Bodacious, Pop a Top stuff out west that seem to win more than they lose. Hell Jesse, you're feeding dogs that win a lot. If you're not constantly looking for better you might as well quit, but me personally, I'm happy with what I'm feeding, If I wasn't I'd knock them in the head and start over. I want better but I'm not mad at mine.

Posted by Tom Jones on 09-11-2013 04:41 AM:

well said

I agree a 100%. Some make it sound like they hunt blues cause they like the color. I don't get it.

Good post Mr Clyde

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Posted by JScott187 on 09-11-2013 04:49 AM:

PURPLE!!!i like that color?if im hunting a purple dog then i can bitch that im out numbered!!!

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Posted by southernthunder on 09-11-2013 02:13 PM:

AGAIN, what happened to the original question asked on this thread? just about any good thread started by someone In our breed gets blown up and taken off the subject. some of you complain and whine way too much about what others are packing when you yourselves have never won anything worth talking about. some can't loose a hunt because they got beat by a better hound or out handled. some will complain about getting beat and then talk bad about others when they do the same thing. hypocrites! we do have some nice dogs in our breed that carry good traits and just because some of you don't have one or don't like certain lines of hounds or the owners you will let your pride get the best of you and trash dogs you have never hunted with. once again shame on you! stop talking about what it takes and show us!

nuff said!

lets get back to talking about traits in certain dogs and maybe then we can find dominant things in certain lines that will help some of our dog's faults. I was hoping to get educated by this thread.

Posted by max destruction on 09-11-2013 02:31 PM:

Hard to educate the guys that allready no everything!

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