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It's horrible that a babbling, me tooing dog can get 175 points on a tree and the honest strike dog (usually last dog struck) that treed the coon will only get 150 points on a tree.

This could be easily fixed if the rules were changed to first strike-20 second-15 third-10 and fourth-5. This makes the strike points less important and gives a bigger reward for the dog that gets first tree.

Old way: Babbling dog - 175 points WINNER!!
Honest dog - 150 points

New way: Babbling dog - 95 points
Honest dog - 130 points WINNER!!

Change the rules and the type of dogs showing up to hunts will change.JMO

THIS IS THE REAL REASON

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Originally posted by bluedawg1963
I believe 90% of babbling is caused by starting pups too young with a broke dog that is too fast for them to keep up with.I've seen this happen in rabbit dogs,fox dogs ,deer dogs and coon dogs.

Big John Whigham

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Re: THIS IS THE REAL REASON

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Originally posted by Richard Moore
IT IS MOSTLY TAUGHT BEHAVIOR,TO HELP WIN THE PKC HUNTS. BABBING SHOULD NT BE CONFUSED WITH DOGS WHO STRIKE THROUGH THE AIR AND CAN TREE LAY UPS.

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This is my opinion only I have hunted dogs for the public for a lot of years I have never broke a dog from babbling might have slowed them down a little personlly I will not hunt one that babbles to me it's a breeding defect but I have never had a problem winning with a honest strike dog either I think it's more of a cant beat em join em thing

I have a almost three year old walker female. She gets struck pretty quick and is pretty cold nosed. She will rarely bark off the leash, and when she does usually ends up in a quick tree. When I turn her loose with other dogs that babble she will bark right along with them. Is this something that you guys think i can break her of, or would it set her back too much.

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Originally posted by Kler Kry
I don't know Richard Moore, but from this statement I know that he has wornout more boots than most hunters and leads and outstanding hound.

Decreasing the points for strike pennalizes the few outstanding strike and trackdogs that exists. It is hard for the average hunter to tell the difference between a babbling dog and a top tier strike/trackdog because they are comparing the top dog to the slow trailing dog that they feed and may not have ever seen a truely top dog even though they have hunted for many years.

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Just my opinion again but in my country your not going to dump right on top of a coon every time sometimes your lucky to tree one with a good dog if you get struck off the chain every time you cut loose here you got a babbling dog

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one thing I have noticed from all the talk on here is most people think tight mouthed dogs are quicker tree dogs I have seen some open mouthed track dogs that are very quick tree dogs. I don't like babblers but I am sick of those dogs that get struck on there locate and treed there also.they remind me of a buddies cur dogs we had great meat dogs but not my idea of a hound.no mater what you do people will get around the rules I had a friend that liked chop mouth hounds because if they were way in there he would tree them and it was hard to tell they weren't and by the time you got there they were most of the time, one thing about 100 strike is risk I don't like 225 minus on a slick tree and if you have a crappy babbler he will dig himself a hole soon. had a man tell me once if you get every second strike and every second tree you will win 80 percent of your cast because very little risk comes with it and he is correct. make a rule if there is no eyes or a hole you get minus on a tree and see what happens to all those quick tree dogs that get saved by leaves. I just go and have fun and everyonce in a while I see a realy good hound and he wins most of the time, but a lot of the time its that dog that dosent have enough ambition to make a mistake.

I agree that most of the time the handler and hound combination that produces fewer errors wins the cast. I don't like a babbler nor do I like a silent dog. I like a dog that knows how to use its mouth according to the track. I don't think a lot people really know what their hound is doing because they think when it opens it is on a track and they make excuses for every tree they don't see a coon in. Take time to let your hound mature and learn your hound. An honest handler is only as good as his hound and the hound is only as good as his handler.

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