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Re: question about Chritianity

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Originally posted by beardenrents
How many of you are attending a church where the GRACE of God is being taught and preached? We have been talking about this at work lately. It seem that many preachers are still preaching LAW instead of GRACE. Which leads to peope judging others and still trying to work for salvation, among other issues. What are some thoughts?

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Faith and works

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Originally posted by Ray&Luie
No hackles here but when an, un- truth is spoken out as truth i have a God Given Charge to challenge it my friend

I am an adopted son of Abraham.........
Romans 9:4
King James Version (KJV)
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

Ephesians 1:4-6
King James Version (KJV)

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

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Faith and works

We are justified to God through faith. We are justified before other men through works. Our works and words are to draw other people to come to Jesus.

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Originally posted by beardenrents
We are justified to God through faith. We are justified before other men through works. Our works and words are to draw other people to come to Jesus.

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Yes

We need to works to show others how Jesus has changed our lives. The whole book of James tells us how to live as Christians including works, not judging others, and taming our tongues. Our commission is to spread the Gospel of Jesus and this can only be done with a true change in us.

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Originally posted by beardenrents
We need to works to show others how Jesus has changed our lives. The whole book of James tells us how to live as Christians including works, not judging others, and taming our tongues. Our commission is to spread the Gospel of Jesus and this can only be done with a true change in us.

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Track

What are your thoughts about works? And the invitation is open to come hunt with us.

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Originally posted by beardenrents
What are your thoughts about works? And the invitation is open to come hunt with us.

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The Lord clearly states dont one hand know what the other is doing ; not even a drink given to alittle one will go unrewarded . Do what you do for the Glory of El Shaddi not man . By describe works ???

i think

it's very traditional. At least church services are. We have three hymns a message and go home. We have completely scheduled The Holy Spirit out of our services. Another problem that I have is Young couples say 19-45 years old. My heart is for them. They don't want to come and then when they do, the older people don't want them there and don't offer anything for them. I am 36 and started going to church as a young adult. The sermons that are being preached today for the most part are holding us to LAW not about living under GRACE. So a young person or couple comes in. They hear everything that we as Christians can't do. you hear you can't go here or there you can't do this or that anymore but Jesus loves you will you accept him today? then they are dismissed and sent home. The Gospel is parked at the Cross. We aren't being taught that we can never live up to those laws. They couldn't then (need for a sacrifice) and we can't today (Jesus the ultimate sacrifice). They come a few times maybe even a year they stumble in their walk. Noone helps teach or explain that a Christian walk is Grown in Maturity over time. I remember looking at older guys in the church and wondering how did they get that walk with God. Where am I going wrong. Nobody taught me about maturity and learning. I have stumbled,backslid or whatever you want to call it. I just knew that I wasn't what I thought a Christian should be or even something that I thought I should be. So I quit going to church. Finally it was like a revelation to me that I can't be perfect and Jesus paid a debt that I can never pay for myself. I know people that judge others in the church when we should be loving and encouraging each other. Its time for us to spread the Gospel, Live it , and show others that you can never be perfect but you are forgiven.

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Originally posted by Barry Franklin
There is no good way to reason or discuss when scripture is misapplied and taken out of context. Pls elaborate further on the "perceived" untruth mentioned above. By the way, Romans 9:4 -{Paul dealing with the Jews relationship to God in this age} Israelites where adopted as a nation, to be God's chosen people, above all other nations (Num 23:9). What tribe of Israel are you descended from? Regarding Eph 1: 4-6: No one in Christ before Calvary. Regarding Post on James: During this time frame, faith and works will be required of those left "AFTER THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH."

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Re: i think

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Originally posted by beardenrents
it's very traditional. At least church services are. We have three hymns a message and go home. We have completely scheduled The Holy Spirit out of our services. Another problem that I have is Young couples say 19-45 years old. My heart is for them. They don't want to come and then when they do, the older people don't want them there and don't offer anything for them. I am 36 and started going to church as a young adult. The sermons that are being preached today for the most part are holding us to LAW not about living under GRACE. So a young person or couple comes in. They hear everything that we as Christians can't do. you hear you can't go here or there you can't do this or that anymore but Jesus loves you will you accept him today? then they are dismissed and sent home. The Gospel is parked at the Cross. We aren't being taught that we can never live up to those laws. They couldn't then (need for a sacrifice) and we can't today (Jesus the ultimate sacrifice). They come a few times maybe even a year they stumble in their walk. Noone helps teach or explain that a Christian walk is Grown in Maturity over time. I remember looking at older guys in the church and wondering how did they get that walk with God. Where am I going wrong. Nobody taught me about maturity and learning. I have stumbled,backslid or whatever you want to call it. I just knew that I wasn't what I thought a Christian should be or even something that I thought I should be. So I quit going to church. Finally it was like a revelation to me that I can't be perfect and Jesus paid a debt that I can never pay for myself. I know people that judge others in the church when we should be loving and encouraging each other. Its time for us to spread the Gospel, Live it , and show others that you can never be perfect but you are forgiven.

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Originally posted by beardenrents
. Finally it was like a revelation to me that I can't be perfect and Jesus paid a debt that I can never pay for myself. I know people that judge others in the church when we should be loving and encouraging each other. Its time for us to spread the Gospel, Live it , and show others that you can never be perfect but you are forgiven.

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They are out there

Not all Pastors preach sraight law even though thats what we are taught. Look around and you can find a congregation that suits you . Seems so many are looking for a reason to not go to Lords house . Find your place under the Son and when you do open up an Worship . Every sermon prepared doesnt relate to everyone buf The Gospel MUST BE OFFERED or we arent doing our job as sheppards . Sunday we looked at the wedding and how it relates to today and so many arent willing to come even though its all there for the bad and good . Remember one thing as Pastors we have 20-30 minutes a week on an average of 25 times a year to try to plant the seeds of the word of God into hearts . Rember one thing as Pastor we are held accountable for everyone we preach to young and old an it is very difficult to find a perfect balance . Do as King David did instead of raising a "hand " against Gods annointed PRAY AND PLACE IT AT THE ALTAR OF THE LORD !

I have

Been called to preach. I am currently preaching to a small congregation of about 35. Both young and older. I am doing my best to preach Grace. I agree it's hard to find that balance. I have been blessed to have a congregation that's hungry for the word and wants to work. We try not to be so scheduled in our services. We only have Sunday morning and Wednesday night right now. I don't preach for pay, God has provided me a job. I hope one day that he will bless me in full time ministry. I am working to get completely debt free and at the end of this year hope to be. I think he has called me to preach and evangelize and spread the truth that I have been awakened to. I believe that our churches need to be awakened to the truth and taught how to teach it. They need to get over tradition and sitting in the same pew same spot service after service. It's time to get off the seat of do nothing and get to the Lords work.

The whole counsel of God's word! Too many individual church groups want to have all grace, all prosperity, law and condemnation only. They forget that all of those things go together, and that still is not all of it. We as preachers and pastors need to preach all of it, not just the "smooth things" we are all held accountable for those things that we teach.

Ephesians 4.

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LAST NIGHT

I went with a friend of mine to the Department of Communiy Correction last night. He asked to come preach and I did. We had 28 women of various ages. God preached me long and hard. We got to see two young ladies come to trust Jesus as their savior!!!! What a Blessing!!!

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Originally posted by beardenrents
I went with a friend of mine to the Department of Communiy Correction last night. He asked to come preach and I did. We had 28 women of various ages. He preached me long and hard. We got to see two young ladies come to trust Jesus as their savior!!!! What a Blessing!!!

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Well Stanley,this looks like another fine mess you've gotten us into

Ray Hudson