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Re: 1|2 brother sister cross

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Originally posted by tom edwards
Could have been mine ,both Out of WILD CHILD JOKER. They are six months old ,I kept a male and a female and both are making dogs. I really didn't know how it would turn out but as of now I may do it again. The female was treeing squirels at three months ,the male is slower but may be better in the end. I am retired and spend a great deal of time with my pups .I also have the perfect place to rise and train pups. Like someone said try it you'll never know until you do. TOM

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on fire/tree dogs

I don't like inbreeding at all. I think the reason the walker breed is so much stronger than others is because we don't breed as close as others. Sure we linebreed often but not near as close as other off breeds. See a couple links I found below. They are pretty scientific they may not interest some.

http://doublehelixranch.com/defects.html

http://extension.missouri.edu/publi...ub.aspx?P=G2911

"Development of highly productive inbred lines of domestic livestock is possible. To date, however, such attempts have met with little apparent success. Although occasional high performance animals are produced, inbreeding generally results in an overall reduction in performance. This reduction is manifested in many ways. The most obvious effects of inbreeding are poorer reproductive efficiency including higher mortality rates, lower growth rates and a higher frequency of hereditary abnormalities. This has been shown by numerous studies with cattle, horses, sheep, swine and laboratory animals" (missouri.edu).

Animals are no different than people so any time you breed to tight for too long you will have genetic abnormalities. I would advise anyone against it, but than again its whatever you like.

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Originally posted by casey brown
I don't like inbreeding at all. I think the reason the walker breed is so much stronger than others is because we don't breed as close as others. Sure we linebreed often but not near as close as other off breeds. See a couple links I found below. They are pretty scientific they may not interest some.

http://doublehelixranch.com/defects.html

http://extension.missouri.edu/publi...ub.aspx?P=G2911

"Development of highly productive inbred lines of domestic livestock is possible. To date, however, such attempts have met with little apparent success. Although occasional high performance animals are produced, inbreeding generally results in an overall reduction in performance. This reduction is manifested in many ways. The most obvious effects of inbreeding are poorer reproductive efficiency including higher mortality rates, lower growth rates and a higher frequency of hereditary abnormalities. This has been shown by numerous studies with cattle, horses, sheep, swine and laboratory animals" (missouri.edu).

Animals are no different than people so any time you breed to tight for too long you will have genetic abnormalities. I would advise anyone against it, but than again its whatever you like.

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I would take a closer look at the science and history behind inbreeding. Not going to get into a debate here, but seems like the logical consensus is that it isn't really healthy. The last thing I want to point out is genetic abnormalites aren't always visible so how do we know which ones to cull. To each his own, but in replying to the original post I don't think its a good thing.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IF U LINE BREED AT LEAST U KNOW WHAT UR BREEDING TO NOT WHAT U READ ABOUT OR WHAT SOMEONE TOLD U.IT COULD BE WORTH DOING AT LEAST ONCE TO SEE WHAT U COME UP WITH.JMO

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on fire/tree dogs

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Originally posted by dburnette
Ransom what line of walkers do you call track dogs? I would like to know.Thanks

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Just bought a 8 month old started pup that is from a half brother x half sister cross. Time will tell

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To really see the effects of linebreeding you must breed tight and cull hard over several generations then outcross to another linebred dog who is unrelated to create hybrid vygor. This is done in other breeds all the time but i have never seen it in any coonhounds.

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matt dalton mt.vernon il.

Had good results last year with half bro there sister made the cross again

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tighting it up

1/2 brother x 1/2 sister is no different then father x daughter or mother x son as far as genetics go (its still a outcross). The only way to prove your line or as far as that goes to build a line is to breed tight, and pull out all the receive genes. And fix what you don't like. Full brother to sister is the tightest cross you can make

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Line bred Trackman pups

Trackman Line bred pups half brother an sister cross

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I made a half brother chalk sister cross last year and they are 1 year old this coming Monday and so faro couldn't be more happy with this cross !!! With that said it takes the rite female crossed with the rite male and from what I have seen the pups areturningout robe exactly what they were bred to be!!!! Huge mouths wired 440 but listenbetterthanmost kids or any house dogs!!!! I believe they. Have the drive and heart that they will go until they pop!!!!no quite in them what so ever!!!! And yes if all continues this cross will def be made again!!!!!

I have a male off a half brother/sister cross and he is very nice. I am breeding one of his son's to his half sister who was already out of a cousin cross. I am thinking about breeding his daughter back to him as well.


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1/2&1/2

Best pups I ever raised were a Sty. Lipper female bred to Sty. Hayes

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