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Originally posted by casey brown
God will judge you for your proclamation of false doctrine! Harsh, but I am weary of the lies of this despicable doctrine. You guys are no better than the gays proclaiming "I was born this way."

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Telling the truth usually does not make you many friends, in fact it can get you stoned…

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Well Stanley,this looks like another fine mess you've gotten us into

Ray Hudson

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughtsand intents of the heart. I don't think that anyone should take offence to waht was wrote he just gave scripture and sometimes the word of God hurts.

2 Corinthians 6: 17 Wherefore come out from among them , and be ye seperate saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing and I will recieve you.

2 Corinthians 5:17- Therefore if any man be in Christ he is a new creature, old things are passed away, behold all things are become new.

there has to be a speration from sin your a new creation, your not what you was and shouldn't want to do the things that God delivered you from

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John 3: 16 - For God so loved the World ,that he gave his only Begotten Son that whosoever believeth on him should not perish but have Everlasting Life. " GOT JESUS"

I ask this question several pages back and never got an answer from anyone.

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Originally posted by longshot
, for those of you that believe you can loose your salvation , I have a question.... Exactly when do you loose it ?... Is it lost as you're walking out of church and have a bad thought in your head , or do you have to go out and steal something , or commit adultery or something such as that ? Does ANY sin cause you to lose it , or do you " have to sin real bad " ? How do you know when you've lost it ?

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Calling a brother a heretic and how they're no better than "gays". That's a first. Casey would love to see you answer Marks questions or any of mine on the previous pages.

And Ray&Louie you just made my block list. You have added nothing to the discussion besides being a cheer leader and making snide comments.

Revelation 2: 1-5 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks.2. I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience and how thy canst not bearthem which are evil, and thou hast tried them which say they areapostles, and are not, and hast found them liars.3. And hast borne, andhast patience, and for my names sakehast laboured and hast not fainted.4. Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left you first love. 5. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen andrepent and do the first works, or else I will come unto thee quickly and will remove thy candle stick out of its place except thou repent.

These words are wrote in red which means there from Jesus's mouth, he said you left your first love It's not God but it's leaving our first love he goes on to say that if you don't repent he will come and take away your candlestick.

It's not God's will that any shall perish, but God will not let any sin enter into heaven,he told us in the scripture above unless you repentand do your first works over. The church above was doing good things but they left their first love and thats what he begins to tell them to repent and do their first works over or he was going to remove their candlstick

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John 3: 16 - For God so loved the World ,that he gave his only Begotten Son that whosoever believeth on him should not perish but have Everlasting Life. " GOT JESUS"

Revelation is written to christians and disciples who overcome and the rewards they receive. Such as the hidden mana and being able to eat from the tree of life. Has nothing to do with the unsaved and being given eternal life

god does not want us to worry about our salvation,he died for sin once and for all.before christ died the priest went into the holy of holys to sprinkle bulls blood on the alter, and he did that once a year.thats why before christ died, salvation wasnt perfect,but when jesus arose from the tomb salvation was complete. how much better is christ blood then that of a bull? didnt paul say he was chief among sinners? jesus said there is noone good not even hisself except god.didnt jesus say our righteous is as filthy rags compared to god? that tells me i have to rely on what jesus and what he done for me, and not rely on myself. i dont worry where iam going when i die,i will put my trust in christ to keep me and i have barley enough faith to believe it. romans3:23 for all have sinned and come short of the glory of god. this means every one of us.

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Originally posted by pastor
Revelation 2: 1-5 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write;

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Originally posted by longshot
Well , so much for us all getting along so good.

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No problem Casey. We just vastly disagree on what the Scripures say on this subect.. God Bless my friend.

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Mark Reavis
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who fills the churches ,christians . without the people the church is just a buiding. Go read revelation 21: 8 and see if those people are gettin rewards for being christians if that is all the book of reveations is, which it is not.


In Mattew 3: 7 -Jesus called the spiritaul people of that day generation of vipers, alot of people got upset but he always spoke the truth, no harm meant here but alot of people get upset ,when wrong about somethingor someone don't see it there way you can't just take the part of the Bible that you like or fits your so called doctrine , you have to take it all whether you like it or not, and when you find something that doesn't fit your doctrine you have a choice either stay in your ways or to grow in the Gospel of truth

2 Tim 3:16-17- All scripture is given by inspiration of God; and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. 17. That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works

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John 3: 16 - For God so loved the World ,that he gave his only Begotten Son that whosoever believeth on him should not perish but have Everlasting Life. " GOT JESUS"

We are not going to "do" anything to get salvation nor keep salvation, EXCEPT believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

We sin, it is what we do best, noone has to teach us how to sin, there are no instructions on how to sin, quite simply we were literally born this way. (sinners)

Christ is the remedy for sin, we can't be Christ, we can only attempt to be like Christ (aka Christian)

We can NOT live without sinning, but we can ask forgiveness for sin, that does not mean we want to sin or like to sin, there are no excuses for sin, this is the very reason God sent his only begotten Son.

I stated previously...before salvation we have "want to's"....after receiving Jesus as our Lord and Savior, our "want to's" change....now if you still find that it is ok and it doesn't bother you to continue in the same ole sinner ways, if there is not something that convicts you of your same ole sinner ways, well then you might want to check up.

Christ died once for the sins of all, Christ keeps what he died and rose for....I am persuaded to believe that Christ is able to keep that which I have committed to him, and that is my all.

Know this also....there is is only ONE sin that will send a soul to hell....ONLY ONE!!! That ONE and ONLY sin is Blasphemy, and that simply means rejecting God's precious gift....Jesus Christ as YOUR personal Lord and Saviour

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Originally posted by trackdriver
Faith without work is ........what?

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Both sides of this debate have scriptures to use to back up their argument. I personally believe you can lose your salvation, but that is because that's the way I've been taught, and I attend a church that preaches that way!!! I have known real Christians on both sides of this fence. I knew they where REAL CHRISTIANS because of the fruits they produced, and how they acted when nobody was watching!!! In my view in all denomnations their are those who get it, and their are those who don't!!!

Even though I don't believe in eternally security. I sure hope I'm wrong, because I want to see as many people in heaven as I possibly can!!!!

I no longer live under the Law, but under Grace. I am bought and paid for by the Blood of Christ and nobody or no law can snatch me from his hands.

Since so many people have quoted Scripture here , I'll include my favorite verse here.

2nd Tim 1:12 I know in whom I have believed and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I've committed unto him against that day.

Now , In plain hillbilly language ( which I am one) that says : I know Jesus Christ personally and I am convinced that he is able to Save my unworthy soul from Hell when my life on earth is over.

Merry Christmas everyone !

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Originally posted by longshot
..............The subject of Eternal Security is nothing compared to debating Calvinism , Arminianism , Faith Healing , Tongue speaking , Prosperity Preaching , I could go on and on and on.

I cannot describe to you how much it saddens me that the Church's of our Lord Jesus Christ is so divided on these issues. I can only imagine how much it has to sadden the Lord..........

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Let's go huntin

Very well said Rip. I really hadn't thought of it that way but that does make complete sense. I believe that pretty much sums up this whole thread.... Thanks for that post.

...and you're right.... One doesn't have to look far to see that people can read the same sentence and come away with different takes... We see that all the time in the UKC Coonhound rulebook.

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MABY

WE ALL PROBABLY SHOULD LIVE LIKE WE MAY LOOSE OUR SALVATION THEN WE PROBABLY WOULD LIVE CLOSER TO GOD,BECAUSE WE WOULD BE SCARED TO DEATH OF GOING TO THE OTHER SIDE WHEN IT ALL OVER FOR US HERE.

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