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Posted by Lakeland Kennel on 11-18-2012 01:49 PM:

Tom, what is all this stuff about a job. When is the last day you were on a payroll? Probably longer than me. LOL

This thread was supposed to be about seccesion. Well, to me, it looks like the minute folks realized signing a seccesion petition could be considered an act of treason, some may have had second thoughts. Conceivably, the government could seize all of the assets of any traitor. That may be a way to ease the National Dept. LOL

Some of the guys writing posts that are anti-government were the same guys that had America, Love It Or Leave It stickers on their bumpers years ago. Now, the worm has turned. LOL

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Posted by Hey Preacher!!! on 11-18-2012 02:08 PM:

Using your own logic, Tom doesn't have to be on a payroll to be concerned with the jobs market. You see, Tom is part of the economy owned by "We, the People", and as such is entitled to examine any part of said economy he may choose, inasmuch as he is an American, and "the economy should benifit all of the American people, not just the wealthy".

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 11-18-2012 02:11 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Lakeland Kennel

Back to the start of this thread, I think anyone who signs a petition to seceed has possibly committed treason.

The election is over and President Obama won.

Dave,

Do you even own a dictionary? By virtue of you being on this very message board, I know that you have both a computer AND internet connectivity. Therefore there really is no excuse for not knowing what TREASON is.

Treason is an attempt to, or conspiracy to, overthrow the present Government. Signature on a petition that asks for permission to "peacefully" withdraw from the United States does not in any way shape or form constitute TREASON.

As I pointed out to you once, and you seem to have chosen to disregard, one of the first documents drafted by our founding fathers on the way to freedom for the original colonies was the Declaration of Independence. If you had ever read that document, you would see the EXACT same language used in the petition that I PERSONALLY SIGNED.

So are you saying that the founding fathers and their constituents were guilty of treason against the crown in requesting to dissolve their ties to Great Britian?

The petitions that are being signed are asking permission from the US Government to PEACEFULLY dissolve the ties between the state and federal government.

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

"...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government..."

I truly have to laugh at your assertion that sedition and treason are acts of asking to withdraw from control. That peaceful demonstration of lack of confidence in our current government, and the claim of TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION are "treason".

The other issue that I would like to address is your constant reminder that "OBAMA WON". Jeez Dave, we know that....We don't have to like it, some may argue that he won with the help of voter fraud, but we understand that when it comes time for the electoral college to cast votes, Obama will become the next president of the United States.

HOWEVER, the last time I knew, as an American citizen, and a veteran of the US Army, I have the right to express my opinions, and to lobby my governmental bodies in an attempt to express my viewpoints. Are you so partisan that you don't think that anyone on the Right side of the aisle should never again express an opinion on how the country should be managed up until such a time as a Republican is elected? Are you so insecure with the ideas and beliefs that you hold that you can not enter into an educated exchange of thoughts and ideas about what should happen going forward?

Do you not understand that at LEAST 48% of the people that Obama was elected to lead and represent STILL have a voice, and still have opinions about the direction of the country that may or may not align with the views of the party in power? Do you believe that the election of a president should shut down any conversation, negotiation, or the voicing of dissenting opinion about policies, especially taxation and representation?

If you truly believe that, then we have become a socialist nation, where just the mere mention of dissent can result in charges of treason and sedition and you could face prison and even DEATH for disagreeing with the current administration.

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 11-18-2012 02:23 PM:

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Originally posted by Lakeland Kennel
Tom, what is all this stuff about a job. When is the last day you were on a payroll? Probably longer than me. LOL

This thread was supposed to be about seccesion. Well, to me, it looks like the minute folks realized signing a seccesion petition could be considered an act of treason, some may have had second thoughts. Conceivably, the government could seize all of the assets of any traitor. That may be a way to ease the National Dept. LOL

Some of the guys writing posts that are anti-government were the same guys that had America, Love It Or Leave It stickers on their bumpers years ago. Now, the worm has turned. LOL

Dave I'd like to know what "having a job" has to do with anything. You don't have to have a job to vote, you barely have to be a US citizen to receive the full benefits of the US Government regardless of how you got into the country! Some would argue that you don't have to be a legal US citizen to be President....that you can attend college in the US as an "exchange student" and then become president as a natural born citizen!

If you are referring to me as being "anti-government...you are so sadly mistaken. Just because I don't embrace the continued economic, social,and to some extent foreign relations policies of an ineffectual President, that doesn't make me "anti-government" or Anti-American.

I don't like continued intrusion into my life and suppression of my liberties as provided in the US Constitution by "big Government". Last I knew I had the right to express my opinion about deficit spending and how I know that it will in fact kill the way of life we know today, and stating my beliefs, expressing my opinion, and attempting to influence those in control of sharing my way of thinking.

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Posted by trackdriver on 11-18-2012 06:29 PM:

The market creates jobs,corps.see the bottom line,the dollar. Sorry you can't understand the welfare state also applys to corps and the wealthy. Not anti-gov.or anti-american because you never said a word about bush but you seem to see everything wrong with america now.....hmmm.What policies or constitutional changes have pres.obama made that have intruded in your life? Worked 30 years and never drew unempolyment plus ever man in man family except my father served from world war 1 to desert storm,all that are living voted for obama. Didn't want a bunch of fools taking that away!!

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Posted by solo sammy on 11-18-2012 10:42 PM:

hey friends,how long will it take for you cry babys too get out of dodge huh.hey the more of you free loaders leave the more for me ok.

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Posted by truly on 11-18-2012 11:00 PM:

Any chance OP meant to start a thread about
SUCCESSION?
1. The act or process of following in order or sequence.
2. A group of people or things arranged or following in order; a sequence.
3.
a. The sequence in which one person after another succeeds to a title, throne, dignity, or estate.
b. The right of a person or line of persons to so succeed.
c. The person or line having such a right.
4.
a. The act or process of succeeding to the rights or duties of another.
b. The act or process of becoming entitled as a legal beneficiary to the property of a deceased person.
5. Ecology The gradual and orderly process of ecosystem development brought about by changes in community composition and the production of a climax characteristic of a particular geographic region.

May we wish you much success with your goal of secession.

In the meantime, lets focus on meaning 3a of succession.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 11-18-2012 11:34 PM:

Didn't some states get together and cecede from the Union a few years back? How did that turn out?

Posted by Oak Ridge on 11-19-2012 12:27 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
Any chance OP meant to start a thread about
SUCCESSION?
1. The act or process of following in order or sequence.
2. A group of people or things arranged or following in order; a sequence.
3.
a. The sequence in which one person after another succeeds to a title, throne, dignity, or estate.
b. The right of a person or line of persons to so succeed.
c. The person or line having such a right.
4.
a. The act or process of succeeding to the rights or duties of another.
b. The act or process of becoming entitled as a legal beneficiary to the property of a deceased person.
5. Ecology The gradual and orderly process of ecosystem development brought about by changes in community composition and the production of a climax characteristic of a particular geographic region.

May we wish you much success with your goal of secession.

In the meantime, lets focus on meaning 3a of succession.

So what are you implying? That Obama is going to need a THRONE?

Great...KING OBAMA

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Posted by Lakeland Kennel on 11-19-2012 02:15 PM:

The signers of the Declaration of Independence would have been hung for treason if caught. They were just "peacefully" trying to with draw from the British Commonwealth.

Seccesion has been tried before and ended up with Sherman's march through Georgia.

Anyone who signs a secession petition may be guilty of treason and have their assets seized.

As for Tom's job, he is like me and is too old to work any more. And, I have health issues, I can't speak for Tom. I do know he worked very hard for lots of years.

Posted by Oak Ridge on 11-19-2012 08:45 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Lakeland Kennel
Anyone who signs a secession petition may be guilty of treason and have their assets seized.

Dave,

My lack of assets is leading me to be in favor of signing a petitiion requesting the government allow my home state to succeed.

I promise you that they would spend way more bringing a truck here to "seize" my assets than what those assets are worth.

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Posted by Robert Johnson on 11-20-2012 12:12 PM:

Well i don't even know if Georgia is one of the states that is throwing around papers, but i do know they don't have to suseed from the union. They did that back in 1861, and have never once sign any re-entry paper like the rest of the states did. Wow! A country into and of ourselves.....a third world nation we are. Now mr. fruit cake, please hand us the millions you do other countries. we sure can use it.

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Posted by Lakeland Kennel on 11-20-2012 01:23 PM:

My wife is from Georgia so I make a special case out of it. If I bad mouth Georgia too much, it can be slim pickings at supper time if you know what I mean.

As for seceeding, my advise is to think twice before signing any petition. It could be used as evidence against you.

Joe, I know you own a computer or a smart phone. Probably both. They could give a traitor free room and board for a long time. Joe, I don't mean you personally.

Posted by conhtr1 on 11-20-2012 01:39 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Lakeland Kennel
My wife is from Georgia so I make a special case out of it. If I bad mouth Georgia too much, it can be slim pickings at supper time if you know what I mean.

As for seceeding, my advise is to think twice before signing any petition. It could be used as evidence against you.

Joe, I know you own a computer or a smart phone. Probably both. They could give a traitor free room and board for a long time. Joe, I don't mean you personally.

The quickest way to start a civil war would be for obama to TRY to seize the assets of over 112,000 Texas citizens.Not to mention the hundreds of thousands from other states.

Posted by Chris.S on 11-20-2012 04:05 PM:

To whom it may concern...

The correct spelling is "secession", if you're going to debate a pipe dream at least get the spelling correct.

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Posted by Lakeland Kennel on 11-20-2012 11:05 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by conhtr1
The quickest way to start a civil war would be for obama to TRY to seize the assets of over 112,000 Texas citizens.Not to mention the hundreds of thousands from other states.

It's been done before.

Posted by conhtr1 on 11-20-2012 11:12 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Lakeland Kennel
It's been done before.

I'm glad your the one saying this administration is capable of just that.

Posted by JustinH23 on 11-21-2012 12:35 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by solo sammy
hey friends,how long will it take for you cry babys too get out of dodge huh.hey the more of you free loaders leave the more for me ok.

Have you ever said anything even remotely intelligent in your life?

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Posted by TOP on 11-21-2012 02:06 AM:

don't you really hate communist....

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