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Posted by Hoosier Outlaw on 10-17-2012 06:07 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Preston

quote:
Originally posted by redpower
Shane I know what ur saying and never ment they were that radical(Sackett and Rat Attack). Not trying to take the accuracy out just more tree in. My first redbone was 90% accurate because he would ckeck the tree 3-5 times before commiting and these high strung tree dogs would lock down on his first or second locate and u can t win hunts takeing second and third tree. Shane keep up the plan u have look foward to seeing u and ur dogs in the winners column.

I guess some lines of redbones out there might need a little improvement on tree power....I really don't know. Most of the redbones I hunt with I have drawn in hunts and they seemed to be pretty good tree dogs, especially the fireball, outlaw, coffman's, sawblade, pepper and yellow river stuff. But then again...most people are not going to bring a dog to a hunt that isnt a good tree dog...
The areas that I have seen that need work is drive, mouth, natural independence and quick locating ability. That last one is where we have to be very careful. That is where the walker guys let it get away from them. Most redbones end up locating pretty quick....by the time they finish out at 3-5 yrs
But before that age and especially in competition I have noticed that they tend to check themselves alot before committing to a tree. In a way this is good because they are moor accurate because of it...but from a competition standpoint it is bad because you will take fewer first trees unless they are off by themselves....which I would like to see more of. There is a fine line we need to watch between fast locating and accurate locating. There are super quick locating walker strains that are also accurate...so it can be done. In fact, there are some lines of redbones that seem to be the same....but I see alot of tight mouthed dogs from those strains and that is not a trait I like to see in a dog.
Alot of people think I am against certain lines of redbones...but I am not. I am however against certain traits that certain lines carry that I do not want to introduce into my line through outcrossing. My favorite little female that I am currently hunting is fireball bred on the top through Doc who went back to Yellow River Rocky, probably the best fireball dog I ever hunted with.
Some guys are using a different approach and method to get where they want to go in this breed....but we all have to admit, I think....that the redbone breed is once again motivated and definately not standing still at this time. Motivation comes in many forms and sometimes all it takes is a few passionate discussions (some might even call them heated

....) to get things moving. I love this breed and I love that soo many other people in it are just as passionate about improving it as I am. Our time is coming....and redbones are going to rise up again in a big way..... just wait and see

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Posted by Chad Byrd on 10-17-2012 06:30 PM:

In my opinion the clover line of walkers are quick to locate and tree with accuracy. The ones I've seen go anyway. What line do you think has that trait in the red dogs? Just curious

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Posted by Preston Owens on 10-17-2012 07:35 PM:

I agree

I dont want a tree grabber, but to win they have to get struck and be a quick locater, If I had the time to post the 6 gen on Jack and Deuce it would show a different side of the fireball stuff, it was bred heavy in a different direction than some of the others, these dogs are very open trailing and quick locaters.I think by linebreeding them that I may be able to increase the # of pups per litter that carry those traits, Ive seen some very nice 3rd strike 1st tree dogs in this Fireball stuff, but with these ive seen they can be 1st and 1st type hounds. They dont mind bein split, who knows what will happen down the road. Im trying is about all I can say. If all else fails I can go to Nevergone in a few years and breed the best females I produced or maybe that someone else produced right back to ole Jack. Its all a gamble but I think if folks work together and try to stack the deck the odds wont be as long.. I sure am enjoying the young dogs ive gotten off him, and I enjoy the calls from others who really like theirs as well. Redbones are on the comeback I have several folks that hunt other breeds trying these and hopefully they will make the grade. I know if raise off good pups with the genetic back ground to be consistent that it will pay off. As will the others who are and have been concentrating "strains" What I wont do is outcross to an inferiour dog when it gets time to outcross im gonna be driving and watching for an improvement to compliment what I have or havent accomplished..

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Posted by Preston Owens on 10-18-2012 10:40 PM:

Pups

Its sure nice to see these young dogs tree.. I think it speaks volumes to just see them grow up and be natural.

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Posted by Preston Owens on 10-20-2012 09:01 PM:

Lots of thoughts today

I sure do value the friendships Ive made thru these coondogs. I have made alot of friends and hopefully will be able to make more.

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Posted by Preston Owens on 10-23-2012 01:15 AM:

The Return Of Fireball

I have been very fortunate to be given the chance to own and raise some hounds from a very well known and very popular strain of redbones. I hope everyone remembers the good ppl in this breed who have helped us younger guys, no matter the strain,bloodline, etc. Those folks are the reason we all have hounds we are proud of. I hope to make them proud as I move forward in my efforts to continue these hounds. As some of yall know a very dear and close friend of mine is in a very serious medical situation and it has really took its toll on me as im sure it has many others. These hounds mean an awful lot to me but not near as much as the friendships I have made thru coonhunting. I consider these guys family, they stretch from Arkansas,TN,Indiana,Michigan,Alabama,Florida,NC,NJ
,Ohio Maryland,etc... It truly amazes me how something like a coondog can bring you into contact with people who will make such an impact on your life. Everyone who reads this hopefully will think about the special people in their life and maybe even give them a call this week just to catch up.. Take care and thanks for reading.

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Posted by Preston Owens on 10-25-2012 03:31 PM:

Fireball's Cooncommander Willie

He has been doing a pretty good job but has started picking at his feed worse than he was. Im feeding him Diamond Premium Adult, does anyone have any ideas why he isnt wanting to eat? Im wondering if its the feed?

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Posted by redpower on 10-25-2012 03:38 PM:

Preston

Is he keeping his weight and what does his stool look like?

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Posted by Preston Owens on 10-25-2012 06:27 PM:

Dale he has a decent stool not as firm as it should be, he could stand to gain a few pounds as well. Its odd how his appetite has fell off, nothing in heat,I may have to carry him to the vet. He isnt wormy, and I gave him a dose of Panacur just to be on the safe side

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Posted by jason e smith on 10-26-2012 03:20 PM:

shoot

u a few beaver while u huntin in bottoms that put him lookin good in bout 3 days

Posted by Billporter56 on 10-26-2012 08:24 PM:

Hey Preston

My nephew Randy wants you to give him a call so he can give you an update on the Mike dog he got off of you. His # is 812-360-8183. Thanks. Bill Porter

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Posted by Preston Owens on 10-27-2012 12:38 AM:

Re: Hey Preston

quote:
Originally posted by Billporter56
My nephew Randy wants you to give him a call so he can give you an update on the Mike dog he got off of you. His # is 812-360-8183. Thanks. Bill Porter

Will do just got home.

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Posted by RUTTIN' RIDGE on 10-29-2012 02:34 PM:

dog Food

I feed Diamond dog food also, I prefer to feed Diamond Naturals...my husband switched the hunting dogs over to the purple bag 'High Energy.'
I'm seeing more piles in the pens, darker stools, some are even to soft, which I don't like to see.
Diamond did have a recall on some of the dog food, you might want to check that out. Their is alot of chemicals that come from China that goes in USA dog food. And they don't don't care if they know the chemical is bad or not. I think I tryed the Diamond dog food that you are talking about and my dogs didn't like it. Maybe mine are to picky, but when all of them are being picky then they are letting me know something is wrong. I switched back to Naturals.
I hope your dog is going to be alright.

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Posted by Preston Owens on 11-03-2012 04:36 AM:

Banjo3 X hiedi

I really do like my pup... I have major plans for her she told me today she is a winner...

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Posted by Brian Ratliff on 11-04-2012 01:19 PM:

Up top for the FIREBALLERS!

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Posted by 54tsmith on 11-04-2012 02:08 PM:

Re: Banjo3 X hiedi

quote:
Originally posted by Preston Owens
I really do like my pup... I have major plans for her she told me today she is a winner...

i like mine also!!! she is full of fire!!

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 11-04-2012 02:16 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Brian Ratliff
FIREBALLERS

Oh my goodness.....

I like that a lot better than Team Fireball. I can see the hats and t-shirts now.

Posted by Preston Owens on 11-04-2012 03:09 PM:

LOL

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Oh my goodness..... I like that a lot better than Team Fireball. I can see the hats and t-shirts now.

I think "team fireball" has stuck Richard, I know several folks who call us some different names... You know,the ones that cant be posted.

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Posted by Preston Owens on 11-11-2012 08:10 PM:

Just

a few more days and there will be coon raining down on the next generation of Fireball winners from Jack...

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 11-12-2012 01:43 PM:

Preston, are we all set? Can I just show up Saturday afternoon? Give me a call whenever you get a chance. 423-605-3757.

Posted by Preston Owens on 11-12-2012 02:58 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Preston, are we all set? Can I just show up Saturday afternoon? Give me a call whenever you get a chance. 423-605-3757.

Richard, we had a storm system moving thru yesterday so I backed out on pulling my camper over there when Dale carried his, I do plan to take it over there this week tho, I will call you this week, I havent heard from Rex g on when he plans to come so I need to call him too. Jarrod has a Futon frame to finish putting together as well. We will get it there and hopefully I can get to hunt this weekend, The kids are after deer so I may be tied up, but that doesnt mean you cant come on over, I may be driving alot tho. I will call

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 11-12-2012 10:01 PM:

Preston, I talked to Dale and he said that he would "leave the light on".

Posted by Preston Owens on 11-13-2012 09:11 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Preston, I talked to Dale and he said that he would "leave the light on".

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Posted by redpower on 11-16-2012 03:27 PM:

Preston

Call me

Posted by Preston Owens on 11-29-2012 10:07 PM:

Work

Ive been way to busy...

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