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Posted by xbolt on 08-02-2012 12:28 AM:

I thought the word from garmin is

quote:
Originally posted by Jacob Garrett
The not working with my Dc collars and $300 for the new collars is a deal breaker for me. That is getting crazy for a tracking collar!

the handheld for the new alpha 100 is compatable with your old garmin collars.

Posted by JiM on 08-02-2012 12:52 AM:

No, it isn't.

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Posted by HOBO on 08-02-2012 01:53 AM:

Re: I thought the word from garmin is

quote:
Originally posted by xbolt
the handheld for the new alpha 100 is compatable with your old garmin collars.

No Its Not.....

The $300.00 isn't JUST for a tracking collar. You get a tracking collar and a shock collar all in one.

This system might not be for everyone, but if your running two collars on your dog then I'd think you would be happy to be able to do two things with just one collar.

Also the new collar you can turn on a white light. You can have it steady on, blink slow or blink fast.

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Posted by cedarhillkennel on 08-02-2012 02:11 AM:

think i will stick with my 220 and dc 30's.they tell me everything i need to know about where and what my dogs are doing.
how in the heck them deer hound guys gonna afford to collar up a pack of 15 dogs. back when i had deer hounds you could buy a good broke deer heathen for 150-200 dollars,these collars are more than the dogs worth,now thats a problem.

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Posted by BWSupplies on 08-02-2012 02:27 AM:

My only question is with heavy use how long will the battery stay up in the handheld. If its anything like a smart phone that isn't to good, especially when ya cant change them.

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Posted by ahinsch on 08-02-2012 03:42 AM:

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Originally posted by BWSupplies
My only question is with heavy use how long will the battery stay up in the handheld. If its anything like a smart phone that isn't to good, especially when ya cant change them.

Bill, i think I read somewhere that the batteries are removeable. So you would be able to switch them out quick.

Posted by GA DAWG on 08-02-2012 03:52 AM:

If Garmin reads these threads. Just start making the DC 30s again if you wanna make a pile of money!!

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Posted by Virgil on 08-02-2012 04:06 AM:

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
If Garmin reads these threads. Just start making the DC 30s again if you wanna make a pile of money!!

YEP!!! I still have two DC-30's that were bought when they first came out that I use every night I hunt.

Never bought an Astro 320 or any of the DC-40 collars, the way I see it if it ain't broke no need to fix it.

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Posted by xbolt on 08-02-2012 05:49 AM:

Well

I guess the dc 30 and 40 collars are gonna get alot cheaper to pick up if guys start switching over.

Posted by truly on 08-02-2012 07:35 PM:

repost from another thread regarding another KC's rule change:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
All right 'hounded', if you have connections in the R and D dept at Garmin, here is another problem and possible solution:
Using a Garmin during a night hunt is very problematic. If you leave it turned on it must stay at the truck. If you leave it at the truck, and you hunt deep into a large section of land, and now you are over a mile in and time is called and you have to hustle back to the truck to get your Garmin, only to find that your dog is even deeper in the country, so now you have to hustle back in where you just came from. Or you can bring the Garmin with you, but leave it turned off. The problem with this is that if your dog goes out of range with the handheld turned off you don't even have any idea which direction your dog went, and if it got into something that is blocking the signal, or if the dog went super deep you may never find them with the Garmin. An example of this- dogs are cut loose, your dog goes up over a hill [silently], gets in the next valley and chases a raccoon into an old abandoned barn, or rock den, or well. Now when you call time out and turn on your Garmin it does you no good at all.
So here is a possible solution- create a setting on the handheld unit in which the unit is on and gathering data of where your dog has been and the route that you walked in, but will not show any of that info on the screen. Basically create a "sleep" mode. When you want to turn it on to the "live" or "active" mode it will sound an alarm- a trademarked and unchangeable tone or beeping that would be audible up to 25 feet- equal to a cell phone ring. When the handheld goes to the "active mode"it also displays on the screen when it was turned to that mode and for how long. Or better yet, when you put it in the sleep mode it starts a timer and tells you how long it has been in the sleep mode and displays the UKC logo on the screen.
So the whole point of this is that Garmin shows the technology to UKC and UKC changes their definition of Garmins being turned off to mean that they must be in the "sleep" mode. Then a hunter may take his Garmin with him in the night hunt. He may have it turned on [in the sleep mode] and carry it with him during the hunt. In the event that time is called and dogs are lost, the handler may turn handheld to live mode and know where the dog was when it went out of range, or where it is if still in range. If a judge of a cast thinks that a handler has used the handheld during regulation time, he may ask to see the Garmin. If the screen shows the UKC logo, then the judge knows that it is in the sleep mode, and he may see just how long it has been in the sleep mode. So if a handler tried to cheat and slip off to the side and check the where abouts of his dog, the alarm would have sounded, and if the cast did not hear that then the judge could see that the Garmin had only been in the sleep mode for a few minutes and know that it had been used. If the amount of time on the sleep mode was any amount less that the length of that drop, then the handler would be scratched and even barred.
This all sounds a bit complex, but I think a few programmers could add these features into the "brains" of the handheld, and I imagine that UKC would see the benefits of allowing handlers to better know the whereabouts of their dogs when time is called.

UKC, you will need to get competitive! Think about it, UKC logo on the screen with a timer counting up from when it was put into sleep mode, ruling made that judge has the right to inspect anybodies electronic equipment. If you are on a 40 minute drop and someone slips off to the side for a minute, judge gets to check their unit, if the timer shows significantly less time than it should, handler is scratched. Unit could also have a log of when any E-color use had happened.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 08-02-2012 07:45 PM:

That's a good idea. I think we should just be able to leave em on anyhow

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Posted by H. L. Meyer on 08-03-2012 02:30 AM:

Virgil

I agree with you 100%. I bet the Alpha is the greatest. Mr. Zep has NEVER led me wrong on anything I asked him about. If he gives this his stamp of aproval that is good enough for me, BUT I just can't aford it BECAUSE my old Garmin is working good. RETIRED and gota watch the $ you know. NOW if there was a trade in available count me in. O well it ain't broke and glad of it. H L Meyer

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Posted by hounded on 08-04-2012 01:04 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
If Garmin reads these threads. Just start making the DC 30s again if you wanna make a pile of money!!

I'll second that for the Next "Astro" release... I've been asking since the first time They brought the 40's out.

truly,

Give me a call sometime to talk about what your asking about.

Why can't they just make a rule that everyone throws there units in a Bag with the Judge. I would think that might be easier?

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Posted by GA DAWG on 08-04-2012 04:21 AM:

If Im judging. I don't want to keep up with 4 transmitters and ain't going to.

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Posted by mike shannon on 08-05-2012 03:58 PM:

I heard garmin bought out tri tronics...

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Posted by R_Wilson on 08-05-2012 05:17 PM:

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I heard garmin bought out tri tronics...

yes sir like 2 years ago.

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Posted by mike shannon on 08-05-2012 07:55 PM:

Wow I need to get out in the real world more lol...

Posted by Bob Hennessey on 08-07-2012 04:40 PM:

I'm going to wait till the new MARSHALL GPS comes out. That way my Garmin 320 will be completely worn out before I get the new Marshall. LOL!

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Posted by HOBO on 08-07-2012 04:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by The Seeker
I'm going to wait till the new MARSHALL GPS comes out. That way my Garmin 320 will be completely worn out before I get the new Marshall. LOL!

I hope your not up in years.....

Posted by JiM on 08-07-2012 05:14 PM:

I was thinking the same thing Hobo. I'm 58 and I'm just not sure I will make it to 100 so I'm not waiting on Marshall.

Posted by GA DAWG on 08-07-2012 05:18 PM:

It will be out at autumn oaks and yall know it

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Posted by Bob Hennessey on 08-07-2012 05:23 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
I was thinking the same thing Hobo. I'm 58 and I'm just not sure I will make it to 100 so I'm not waiting on Marshall.

Well I'm 72. Think I've got a chance to see one?

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Posted by HOBO on 08-07-2012 05:36 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by The Seeker
Well I'm 72. Think I've got a chance to see one?

I'm not gonna make that bet. LOL

Posted by amazingcursouth on 08-07-2012 06:58 PM:

just remember sportdog did it first. no they don't have a map card, but they are a nice unit and dependable. i have both and my garmin is for sale.

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Posted by runnin rebels on 08-07-2012 08:08 PM:

This ? was never answered...if you allow your buddy to track your dog can he shock them too?

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