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Posted by JDS on 07-01-2011 06:56 AM:

Ive seen alot of walkers flatout smoke a Deer, fox, yote, rabbit. I can count on one hand how many could tree a coon, they were Clover bred. If you want a track dog that is accurate get you a Swamp Cat or Rocky bred hound.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 07-01-2011 08:11 AM:

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Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
oh I'm listening, I just don't agree. I'm only 34 years old and I didn't even start coonhunting till 1995. You was probably coonhunting before I was born and Elvis was too. I respect my elders but that don't mean I like what you like. A pack of dogs running a coon track does not impress me in the least. Me too dogs do not impress me at all. Any mutt can jump in a pack and run. It takes a real dog to consistently get coons treed all alone. And i don't mean split off treed. I mean turned loose alone. No other dogs in the woods whatsoever. Give me a dog that you can consistently turn loose in ridge and mountain country all alone in thin coon and go see a coon on a consistent basis and I call that a real coondog. Take away the crutches and the training wheels folks ! Take away the feeder buckets, take away the leaves on the trees, take away all the other dogs. What your left with is what you got. I know what I got.

LMAO Never ceises to amaze me the people that doesn't know the differance between a pack dog and a me too dog.
Then there are the ones that think it is harder to run a track under trees that have shaded the ground from the sun than it is to run one out in a hot dry field with no vegitation and nothing to block the hot dry wind.

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Posted by Glenn Wells on 07-01-2011 09:02 AM:

Grady- I do think that some are confused about pack dogs, I have seen an old pack dog hear a slight yelp and plum take a trail and tree away from the independent types. There isn't no me too involved it comes from competetive streak that wants to lead not follow. If anybody has ever followed 5 or 6 dogs together, you have probably seen it too, they are in it to win, and seem to take pride in it.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 07-01-2011 09:16 AM:

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Originally posted by Glenn Wells
Grady- I do think that some are confused about pack dogs, I have seen an old pack dog hear a slight yelp and plum take a trail and tree away from the independent types. There isn't no me too involved it comes from competetive streak that wants to lead not follow. If anybody has ever followed 5 or 6 dogs together, you have probably seen it too, they are in it to win, and seem to take pride in it.

I seen it or atleast listened to it but it was when I was a kid. Hadn't seen two in the same spot since though. Sure would like to listen to 4-5 good ones after the same coon again.

Posted by l.lyle on 07-01-2011 09:33 AM:

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Originally posted by Glenn Wells
Grady- I do think that some are confused about pack dogs, I have seen an old pack dog hear a slight yelp and plum take a trail and tree away from the independent types. There isn't no me too involved it comes from competetive streak that wants to lead not follow. If anybody has ever followed 5 or 6 dogs together, you have probably seen it too, they are in it to win, and seem to take pride in it.

You said it. A true check dog should be like what the old timers think they were paying money for a Public Education Teacher for. Such as some moran kid gets to spouting off and writing stuff , to "baffle with BS if you can't dazzle with Brilliance" and Jason, this has absolutely nothing at all to do with a dogs name. You have heard that your whole life , I am quite certain. A Teacher does not follow a child to arive at a tree nor a conclusion. And I am glad we agree we are on the same page. A teacher checks the work and sends the prodigy, only in somebody elses head, on their way. Or such as it was the way I was taught. Today, who knows?, Somebody has what they feel is a pup that can do no wrong, that calls for circles on obvious slicks.. They need training that obviously the best paid professional handler cannot provide and if we ask a real trainer , they will tell us that.

Posted by jackbob42 on 07-01-2011 11:14 AM:

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Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
........ I know what I got.

You know Jason , if he was "all that" , he wouldn't have been for sale.
Or , if he was "all that" and was for sale , you wouldn't have been able to afford him !

There's got to be "something" about him that somebody didn't like.
Maybe he was too slow on track ! LOL

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Posted by jamie stall on 07-01-2011 02:56 PM:

you can take the best dog in the world and someone will find something wrong with it. and take a dog that has all kinds of faults and get a group of buddies to brag on it ,then everyone wants to breed to it. if you took these high power dog and took the handler away you wouldnt have much more then a average dog

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Posted by dragonslayerrb3 on 07-01-2011 03:10 PM:

my 2 year old wilkes county show champ dog is a fast dog i hunt her with dremmer and she keeps up with him

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Posted by Dan Dogs on 07-01-2011 04:38 PM:

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Originally posted by Diggerman
Well Dave , It's not a thing of the past. You just got to get past this dual grand this and dual grand that. Come bear huntin or cat huntin sometime,there is a whole gene pool that hasn't been dual granded. Don't get me wrong, I like ukc hunts, and I got a coondog to hunt in them, but for what you want you have to think outside the box. Some of the best lines are not promoted and you have to look for them.

digger, i don't get caught up in the fads.. you witnessed some of my stuff on a bear..i don't want to listen to a dog cold trail all night on a 10 hr old track. but i don't like a hot nosed dog either. just like a medium cold nose, but when they open there mouth they put her in high gear..i have bred the same stuff for yrs.. pretty much house bred of lipper and old harry (original) and multipule times daniels bred, back to finley river Dan. you witnessed a daughter to father cross on bear last yr. sounds like the more fresh dogs you cut into her the farther the pack got behind..to bad she was to fast and got killed by the bear being all alone..i would like to see a littermate to her go on bear once. i think he would be a decent bear dog to, providing something could keep up with him.

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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 07-01-2011 04:55 PM:

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Originally posted by jackbob42
You know Jason , if he was "all that" , he wouldn't have been for sale.
Or , if he was "all that" and was for sale , you wouldn't have been able to afford him !

There's got to be "something" about him that somebody didn't like.
Maybe he was too slow on track ! LOL

Your right. He trees possums and runs deer every night. But i guess he will do for now till something better comes along. One day i just hope to have a perfect dog like you guys.

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Posted by jackbob42 on 07-01-2011 05:33 PM:

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Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
Your right. He trees possums and runs deer every night. But i guess he will do for now till something better comes along. One day i just hope to have a perfect dog like you guys.

I'm not saying he's bad , I'm just saying he ain't perfect.

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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 07-01-2011 05:39 PM:

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I'm not saying he's bad , I'm just saying he ain't perfect.

My dog is 1,000 miles from perfect. Kinda of a cross bred cull , just like his owner.

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Posted by coonhunter2009 on 07-01-2011 05:52 PM:

IT is so funny how a person ask a ? and it turn's in to stuff like this

Posted by jamie stall on 07-01-2011 07:01 PM:

STUPID QUESTIONS ,YOU GET ALL KINDS OF RESPONSES, LIKE WHAT DOG FOOD? OR WHAT BREED ? OR WHATS THE BEST STUD, STUPID QUESTIONS

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Posted by huntinginsc on 07-01-2011 07:04 PM:

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Well , now might be a good time to listen to some older guys then and learn then.

Because it was also back then that most dogs could tree together and not one off bark would be heard.
We'd sometimes hunt 6 or 8 dogs together after the Nite Hunt was over and hunt till daylight.
I remember one night we had 5 or 6 dogs on a tree and my dad and his friends sat down while us kids threw rocks at this coon till our arms got tired. ALL them dogs were on the same tree and none of them were tied back. Nobody was worried about letting them dogs tree together.

I remember those days to. It would be just pleasure hunting. Might be 5 or 6 friends bring there dogs to go. Dogs falling all over eachother and no trouble. Might have seen 1 or 2 that were mean. But they didnt last long, and you didnt have to make an enemy over it.

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Posted by Two Toes on 07-01-2011 09:20 PM:

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Originally posted by Diggerman
It's not a thing of the past. You just got to get past this dual grand this and dual grand that. Come bear huntin or cat huntin sometime,there is a whole gene pool that hasn't been dual granded. Don't get me wrong, I like ukc hunts, and I got a coondog to hunt in them, but for what you want you have to think outside the box. Some of the best lines are not promoted and you have to look for them.

Just because some shoot for makin theirs Dual grand does not mean they couldn't hang with the bigdogs. Also not hung up on titles on dogs to add in. Went that direction to have the first All Grand litter of Bludawgs. One of the most dissapointing cross' I ever made all for titles. Sad part is it took thousands of miles traveled & hiked,lost sleep & a crapload of money to get my half. Very valuable lesson learned just like the stuff I continue to learn daily.
Coondawg to coondawg & Don't care if their titled or not.I was bear huntin years before you had'ta start enterin the lottery to get a tag. Stop at any sport shop & buy it just like a small game license. Ran the crap outa coyotes as well for a lot of years.
I demand that same kinda go & grit in our coondawgs. Sent seraval pups west & some to Venezuala. Some guys have bought several. Probably some dang good coondawgs that never have or will see a coon but their shaggin the Big Cats. I've got pictures of Jaguars hangin with a pair of Bludawgs. Got pictures of the same dogs grubbin their quarry & there's a dozen dawgs or better & only 2 wearin trackin collars.
I know withouta doubt there is some overlooked blood that not many ever hear about but there's a lil more involved for me than a track to a tree. Deffinately some that are my kinda dawg no doubt but how do you find out if they got that lil extra that we all seek? Some you may never know about their ability as a coondawg with that lil extra because it doesn't get brought out cuz they don't hunt coon.
Not a gamblin man I guess,to much time wrpped up in our gig to experiment, "Basically".............

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Posted by Kler Kry on 07-01-2011 11:17 PM:

Re: Best track dogs (Walker)

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Originally posted by ClarkandDial
The man i hunt with says nothing close to a yadkin river dog. I know hes got a 11 month old pup off jimmy meeks curt dog and not to many old dogs can keep up with him. Best young dog im ever seen and got all the tools.
But what other bloodlines can run a track like this?

So how can one contact this friend of yours that has the outstanding dog? As you can tell from the response top dogs are scarce. I'd like to hunt with him. Are there any relatives to him in WI?

Posted by Walker9615 on 07-03-2011 03:20 AM:

I have a female that is the fastest track dog I've ever seen she will be 8 in nov but still at her age nothing comes close to keepin up with her, Im a bear hunter an usually turn her in last just to give the others a head start, she seems to throw pups the same way.

Posted by Diggerman on 07-05-2011 03:58 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Dan Dogs
digger, i don't get caught up in the fads.. you witnessed some of my stuff on a bear..i don't want to listen to a dog cold trail all night on a 10 hr old track. but i don't like a hot nosed dog either. just like a medium cold nose, but when they open there mouth they put her in high gear..i have bred the same stuff for yrs.. pretty much house bred of lipper and old harry (original) and multipule times daniels bred, back to finley river Dan. you witnessed a daughter to father cross on bear last yr. sounds like the more fresh dogs you cut into her the farther the pack got behind..to bad she was to fast and got killed by the bear being all alone..i would like to see a littermate to her go on bear once. i think he would be a decent bear dog to, providing something could keep up with him.

She was a very fast track dog,on a jumped bear, the few times I seen her.I was impressed, but it takes a lot more than that to make a bear dog for me. I am also not makeing lite of You,Russ and other breeders. I would love to have a grandnite, and just maybe if my luck holds,someday I will. But when I am shopping for a Bear dog ,the last thing I want to see is an allgrand pedigree. I want to see a long line of untitled hounds that were alive to breed ,only because they could track in varying conditions and do it to the satisfaction of hunters better than me.

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Posted by Diggerman on 07-05-2011 04:13 AM:

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Originally posted by Two Toes
Just because some shoot for makin theirs Dual grand does not mean they couldn't hang with the bigdogs. Also not hung up on titles on dogs to add in. Went that direction to have the first All Grand litter of Bludawgs. One of the most dissapointing cross' I ever made all for titles. Sad part is it took thousands of miles traveled & hiked,lost sleep & a crapload of money to get my half. Very valuable lesson learned just like the stuff I continue to learn daily.
Coondawg to coondawg & Don't care if their titled or not.I was bear huntin years before you had'ta start enterin the lottery to get a tag. Stop at any sport shop & buy it just like a small game license. Ran the crap outa coyotes as well for a lot of years.
I demand that same kinda go & grit in our coondawgs. Sent seraval pups west & some to Venezuala. Some guys have bought several. Probably some dang good coondawgs that never have or will see a coon but their shaggin the Big Cats. I've got pictures of Jaguars hangin with a pair of Bludawgs. Got pictures of the same dogs grubbin their quarry & there's a dozen dawgs or better & only 2 wearin trackin collars.
I know withouta doubt there is some overlooked blood that not many ever hear about but there's a lil more involved for me than a track to a tree. Deffinately some that are my kinda dawg no doubt but how do you find out if they got that lil extra that we all seek? Some you may never know about their ability as a coondawg with that lil extra because it doesn't get brought out cuz they don't hunt coon.
Not a gamblin man I guess,to much time wrpped up in our gig to experiment, "Basically".............

OK, some of the best lines ARE promoted. Russ, you know I love that Bum dog, and if I hunted Blue dogs I be pestering you constantly for a pup.

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Posted by bo cater on 07-08-2011 04:16 AM:

a dog directly off abbott's yadkin river cruise is by far the best track dog i've ever seen... strike same track in same place as another or 4 or 5 dogs it dont matter... DRIVE the track and be treed for a while before the other dogs get there... i havent ever seen anything like it.. swear to god that he's running a deer... and i just had a litter of pups off my female... she is a very good track dog... that will about always have the coon... she goes back to townsell's ridge roamer, beene & townsell's woody, roger eagle scout... research those 3 hounds and what they reproduced...

Posted by Ray&Luie on 07-13-2011 09:48 PM:

Fast

it aint packin and it ant, me tooing if you run to the tree ahead of everyone else, and have the meat And its hard to bable when your in the leed too, not sayin that dont happen its just harder to prove when your in the front pullin everything else just sayin yawl

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Posted by rghnd123 on 07-13-2011 11:42 PM:

Insane Rocky

Nice little dog. 3 wins toward Grand at 1 year old. I am a Blue Dog man and I say this Walker is nice. He is owned by a man in Plain Dealing LA.

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