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Posted by Houndhuntin on 01-24-2011 02:58 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by jackbob42
I don't believe I should have to "train" a dog to tree on the right tree.
I train them to come , sit , stay , heel , load , and lead. And I break them off trash.
I shouldn't have to train them how to go and tree a coon. If I do , I might as well just go headlight them and shoot them out and not buy dog food.
I started going back to the old clubs about 8 years ago. I haven't put a dog in a hunt because of people like you.
Hunted with a NtCh for 4 weekends. Out of 33 trees made , we saw the coon 3 times. The owner thought that dog was great. NOT a dog I care to hunt with.
Every dog I've seen that was "broke" from slick treeing , still slicked too much for me.
I've had 3 dogs over the years that were what I call coon dogs.
Did they have faults? Sure they did. Mostly it was little stuff that didn't matter to me. Like too loose on the tree , or babbled with strange dogs. But , when it came to treeing coon , they made VERY few mistakes.

This is exactly why you will never have a coon dog !!!!

Posted by thedirtyrat1 on 01-24-2011 03:48 PM:

Not a dog alive that want slick every now and then especially with the coon rutting. You find me one that never and I mean never trees a slick tree and I will meet you at the bank and buy him or her. LOL.

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Posted by patches9452 on 01-24-2011 04:59 PM:

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Originally posted by thedirtyrat1
Not a dog alive that want slick every now and then especially with the coon rutting. You find me one that never and I mean never trees a slick tree and I will meet you at the bank and buy him or her. LOL.

jay if they aint treeing any slick trees they want be treeing many coon either

Posted by Maniac on 01-24-2011 05:36 PM:

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Originally posted by thedirtyrat1
Not a dog alive that want slick every now and then especially with the coon rutting. You find me one that never and I mean never trees a slick tree and I will meet you at the bank and buy him or her. LOL.

i will show u one that wont SLICK WHEN THEM COON R RUTTING AND TAPPING TREE'S

AND NO HE IS NOT FOR SALE!!

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Posted by ~MIKE WRIGHT~ on 01-24-2011 05:52 PM:

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Originally posted by Maniac
i will show u one that wont SLICK WHEN THEM COON R RUTTING AND TAPPING TREE'S

AND NO HE IS NOT FOR SALE!!

''' Settel down son !

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Posted by clc3800 on 01-24-2011 06:03 PM:

slick treein'

Well first of all, I think we have extremist from both sides posting on this issue. I'm new to the forum but not to hounds and coonhuntin', so here's my 2cents. Balance in breeding is important.... If not, why would anyone ever look at a pedigree? However, very few are perfectly balanced naturally. A good handler/trainer needs to be able to realize his dogs strengths and weaknesses and help the animal develop into a balanced hound. I realize that breeding plays a big part in the equation, but something that some of the old timers don't seem to realize is that animals can be trained, and just because a dog has a little to much desire to tree doesn't mean he/she needs to meet a bullet. Do we not all make mistakes in life and learn from them? Our hounds can do the same thing. Now to go back to the origin of this thread, all dogs are different and therefore need to be corrected differently. I seem to always wind up with dogs that don't react to negative reinforcement very well and this is difficult because you have to be patient and wait for your dog to do things right, then encourage them with positive reinforcement. It all boils down to what caused the problem to begin with, and the temperment of the dog. I hope this helps.

Posted by thedirtyrat1 on 01-24-2011 11:54 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Maniac
i will show u one that wont SLICK WHEN THEM COON R RUTTING AND TAPPING TREE'S

AND NO HE IS NOT FOR SALE!!

LOL. Better hold on to him.

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Posted by hillbilly56 on 01-25-2011 12:30 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ~MIKE WRIGHT~
''' Settel down son !

mr wright i had alot of dogs that didnt slick tree but yjey were the no account red dogs thats why i kept them didnt matter the weather if coon were moving they would tree and have the coon i old school so i probly aint as smart as this younger gen hunters are if i had one keep doing it after i hunted it enough that it could tree a coon on its own if it kept comming up empty i put them where they needed dog heaven that way wasnt no tree happy genes going to be put in the breed from that dog like i say i aint to smart but i dont think you can take a tree happy dog and make it quit slick treeing jmo

Posted by patches9452 on 01-25-2011 12:42 AM:

i have done it ...you can stop some of them and what makes us new generation hunters... is it because we disagree with you... i am young compared to some and old i guess to others so just wondering

Posted by thedirtyrat1 on 01-25-2011 01:00 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by patches9452
jay if they aint treeing any slick trees they want be treeing many coon either

Rite. Who is this from Ackerman?

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Posted by patches9452 on 01-25-2011 01:04 AM:

jay this is steve wilson... im stuck down here in the camp... need a boat just to get hunting lol

Posted by jackbob42 on 01-25-2011 01:09 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Houndhuntin
This is exactly why you will never have a coon dog !!!!

You mean I will never keep what "you" call a coon dog ! LOL

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Posted by l.lyle on 01-25-2011 02:19 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by thedirtyrat1
Not a dog alive that want slick every now and then especially with the coon rutting. You find me one that never and I mean never trees a slick tree and I will meet you at the bank and buy him or her. LOL.

LOL I'd be scared to meet anybody at a bank to get money for a dog that never ever slick treed cause he would have to rob it and I'd get caught as an accomplish.!

Posted by thedirtyrat1 on 01-25-2011 02:22 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by patches9452
jay this is steve wilson... im stuck down here in the camp... need a boat just to get hunting lol

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Posted by thedirtyrat1 on 01-25-2011 02:24 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by thedirtyrat1

How the heck are ya Steve? How is that coon treein Bonnie?

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Posted by patches9452 on 01-25-2011 02:41 AM:

im good been down here in delta national since thanksgiving but mostly hunting young dogs.... been having some good hunts ive treed over 200 in 60 days... get a chance run down and we will hunt my cell is 662 341 2375

Posted by thedirtyrat1 on 01-25-2011 04:35 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by patches9452
im good been down here in delta national since thanksgiving but mostly hunting young dogs.... been having some good hunts ive treed over 200 in 60 days... get a chance run down and we will hunt my cell is 662 341 2375

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Posted by thedirtyrat1 on 01-25-2011 04:39 AM:

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Originally posted by thedirtyrat1

I hunt by most of the time. Was going tonite but decided to not get wet. Rain don't look like its goin to stop. Where are u camping over there. The Burns hideout. Lol? May drop over and hunt with u this week one night.

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Posted by thedirtyrat1 on 01-25-2011 04:44 AM:

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Originally posted by l.lyle
LOL I'd be scared to meet anybody at a bank to get money for a dog that never ever slick treed cause he would have to rob it and I'd get caught as an accomplish.!

LOL

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Posted by DANNY RAMEY on 01-25-2011 05:11 AM:

I'VE HUNTED SINCE I WAS A YOUNG MAN AND COULDN'T COUNT THE DOGS I'VE BEEN IN THE WOODS WITH BUT NO DOG AND I MEAN NO DOG IS A 100% ACCURATE. THE GUYS THAT SAY THAT ARE THE ONES THAT SAYS THEIRS HAS NEVER TREED A POSSUM AND DON'T KNOW WHY ITS TREED ONE TONITE. I'VE SEEN ALOT OF SLICK DOGS GET BETTER HUNT THE HAIR OFF OF THEM AND LIKE THEY SAID IF ITS FOR SURE SLICK WHIP IT WITH A HICKORY AND LET IT KNOW YOUR NOT HAPPY. I'VE SEEN SOME THAT YOU COULD PET FOR TREEING A COON. I KNOW SOME OF THEM IF YOU PET THEM ON THE TREE THEY'LL WANT TO TREE AGAIN RIGHT OR WRONG TO GET PETTED. DOG TREATS NEVER HURT NEITHER I'VE GOT A MALE DOG THATS ABOUT 110% ACCURATE. LOL. AND I USED TO HAVE A TREAT IN MY POCKET FOR HIM WHEN HE TREED A COON. IF YOU READ BACK THE REALLY OLD TIMERS NOT THE ONES ON HERE USED TO CARRY BISCUITS WITH THEM AND WOULD SOAK IT IN BLOOD AND FEED IT TO THE DOG. JMO BUT TRY EVERYTHING I'VE GOT A DOG HERE NOW SHE'S NOT MINE BUT IF SHE'S LAID UP SHE'LL GET LAZY AND PULL SHORT BUT WHEN YOU KEEP MAKING HER GO ON AND GET HER IN SHAPE SHE'LL GET IT DONE. DON'T LISTEN TO THOSE GUYS ABOUT IT NEEDS TO BE SHOT MOST OF THEM PROBALLY HAVE MORE MONEY THAN THEY HAVE CENTS AND DON''T KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE HAVING TO MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING AND IT CAN BE DONE BELEIVE ME.

Posted by l.lyle on 01-25-2011 06:49 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by DANNY RAMEY
I'VE HUNTED SINCE I WAS A YOUNG MAN AND COULDN'T COUNT THE DOGS I'VE BEEN IN THE WOODS WITH BUT NO DOG AND I MEAN NO DOG IS A 100% ACCURATE. THE GUYS THAT SAY THAT ARE THE ONES THAT SAYS THEIRS HAS NEVER TREED A POSSUM AND DON'T KNOW WHY ITS TREED ONE TONITE. I'VE SEEN ALOT OF SLICK DOGS GET BETTER HUNT THE HAIR OFF OF THEM AND LIKE THEY SAID IF ITS FOR SURE SLICK WHIP IT WITH A HICKORY AND LET IT KNOW YOUR NOT HAPPY. I'VE SEEN SOME THAT YOU COULD PET FOR TREEING A COON. I KNOW SOME OF THEM IF YOU PET THEM ON THE TREE THEY'LL WANT TO TREE AGAIN RIGHT OR WRONG TO GET PETTED. DOG TREATS NEVER HURT NEITHER I'VE GOT A MALE DOG THATS ABOUT 110% ACCURATE. LOL. AND I USED TO HAVE A TREAT IN MY POCKET FOR HIM WHEN HE TREED A COON. IF YOU READ BACK THE REALLY OLD TIMERS NOT THE ONES ON HERE USED TO CARRY BISCUITS WITH THEM AND WOULD SOAK IT IN BLOOD AND FEED IT TO THE DOG. JMO BUT TRY EVERYTHING I'VE GOT A DOG HERE NOW SHE'S NOT MINE BUT IF SHE'S LAID UP SHE'LL GET LAZY AND PULL SHORT BUT WHEN YOU KEEP MAKING HER GO ON AND GET HER IN SHAPE SHE'LL GET IT DONE. DON'T LISTEN TO THOSE GUYS ABOUT IT NEEDS TO BE SHOT MOST OF THEM PROBALLY HAVE MORE MONEY THAN THEY HAVE CENTS AND DON''T KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE HAVING TO MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING AND IT CAN BE DONE BELEIVE ME.

To start off with I am not arguing and me and the dirty rat were LOL ing back and forth about a dog that had never never slick treed. I am still not arguing, BUT ( don't you hate the old fashined worn out ways of debating with a BUT?) But , I have a dog that if he locates and trees very likely does not have acoon up the switch he is propped up on. BUT, if I put my light up against his head and shine where he is looking I'm liable to find a coon. Not always But mostly. Where I find problems with slick treeing dogs is where there ain't nothing walking and I know it and You know it and he knows it,(If we're pleasure hunting nobody cares because they are ready to catch the raggetty bith and have a drink, because we don't drink untill the last dogs tail is in the box. Also , sometimes the dog takes an old evening track and there ain't nothing walking and he has been working and trying to tell us that he does'nt realy think he will ever get this thing up to running , if you listen, But I or you decide to drive on up closer ( then we get too close and the dumby grabs a tree because we get on top of him , which is absolutely no excuse to lie.

There, I have said it, LIE, not miss, not slick, not come up short BUT LIE. Back when coonhunters would call a liar a liar there was far fewer of them.

By the way I reread your post and found that I had misinterpreted what you said "If she is laid up" I thought you meant layed up coon and you would put a hickory on her> I now understand you said if she (the dog) is laid up (not hunted) she gets lazy). I'm sorry, for it makes much difference. I'm sure glad we never argued about it. Thanks.

Posted by old ben on 12-28-2011 09:42 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Traxx Addict
I have hunted all bloodlines from Walkers. Especially the Rover Bend Flag, Lipper and Yadkin River lines and EVERY dog I ever hunted hit a spell of slick treeing. All were fairly easy to make them quit. 1-2 were harder headed. But folks who write a bloodline off as slick treers are lacking on common sense and training ability.

As for Jackbob..he is as hateful on the phone as he is on here.

lol

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Posted by patches9452 on 12-29-2011 12:58 AM:

mr tc jones had a dog one time that he said would have a coon everytime he treed.... for 6 months i tried to prove him wrong and failed.... for 6 monthes he never made a tree

Posted by old ben on 12-29-2011 12:12 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by patches9452
mr tc jones had a dog one time that he said would have a coon everytime he treed.... for 6 months i tried to prove him wrong and failed.... for 6 monthes he never made a tree

did you mean missed a tree

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Posted by patches9452 on 12-29-2011 12:45 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by old ben
did you mean missed a tree

no sir i mean he never made a tree...straight run a track like a dog was suppose to and wouldnt tree a lick

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