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Posted by Justin Smith on 12-26-2010 04:46 AM:

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Originally posted by bigdiezel79
Come on guys lets get off the polotics please! LOL

Amen .. wait , not that either !!

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Posted by Buckshot on 12-26-2010 04:50 AM:

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Originally posted by Justin Smith

When a product is sold for more than it's worth ... that is wrong . It doesn't matter that folks do it or that it's not against the law ... it's wrong and that's the end of it .

You realize there is 2 parties involved in buying and selling?

The seller and the buyer.

When a product is sold for more than YOU feel it's worth, remember that there was a buyer that agreed to the price.

It may be wrong to you, but it must not have been wrong to the buyer as they bought it and paid for it with THEIR money.

Posted by Traxx Addict on 12-26-2010 04:57 AM:

Pups are only worth what people are willing to pay for them/

If someone can create enough hype and desire for one of their pups that they can get $2500 for one.

MORE POWER TO THEM !!!!

I hope they all grnite out at 16 months old and win a truck for their owners!

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Posted by Justin Smith on 12-26-2010 05:00 AM:

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Originally posted by Buckshot
You realize there is 2 parties involved in buying and selling?

The seller and the buyer.

When a product is sold for more than YOU feel it's worth, remember that there was a buyer that agreed to the price.

It may be wrong to you, but it must not have been wrong to the buyer as they bought it and paid for it with THEIR money.

Not true , that is why contracts between minors and adults aren't legally binding.... kids will happily give more money for things than they are worth and it's not right to take advantage of them.

Most agree that's true ... why ? Because we know that it's not right to charge more than stuff is worth and just because a buyer pays it ..... that doesn't change.

Like I said .. we have bluebooks , appraisels and such that do tell us what things are worth in the real world .

Coonhounds aren't much different ... we can use the bloodline , ability , sire programs , hide prices and all this other stuff to do the same .

Right and wrong aren't a matter of public opinion or what is popular at the time and two people doing wrong don't make a right ...

Giving me examples of people being happy to do wrong won't do much but make me laugh ..

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Posted by Traxx Addict on 12-26-2010 05:13 AM:

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Originally posted by Justin Smith
Not true , that is why contracts between minors and adults aren't legally binding.... kids will happily give more money for things than they are worth and it's not right to take advantage of them.

Most agree that's true ... why ? Because we know that it's not right to charge more than stuff is worth and just because a buyer pays it ..... that doesn't change.

Like I said .. we have bluebooks , appraisels and such that do tell us what things are worth in the real world .

Coonhounds aren't much different ... we can use the bloodline , ability , sire programs , hide prices and all this other stuff to do the same .

Right and wrong aren't a matter of public opinion or what is popular at the time and two people doing wrong don't make a right ...

Giving me examples of people being happy to do wrong won't do much but make me laugh ..

What a load of horse squeeze. Justin.....how many mirrors have you wore out arguing with yourself?

BTW..Does someone who is too cheap to even put a nameplate on his dogs collar really need to be telling someone they paid too much for a pup??

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Posted by bluecole on 12-26-2010 05:34 AM:

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Originally posted by dixiewalker1
Im not disrespecting the breeder nor am i jealous over anything I just see one more person takeing advantage of someone else and that person being takine advantage of is at fault its my fault if i pay a crazy price for a pup but if we all stick together and stop paying the crazy prices the price hikeing will stop just like everything else if you can charge it and someone will pay you for it well fine thats life but it shouldnt be that way im not wanting to be a breeder. The outside world of coonhunting thinks that coon hunting is a poor mans sport that could not be futher from the truth to get started in this sport for a decent hound,tracking system so that you dont loose that dog a shocking system to help you train him your lite your boots and everything else that goes along with this sport it adds up to be quit an exspencive sport but I love to coon hunt just love there is very little besides God and my family that brings me as much joy and happiness than to turn my dogs lose and to listien to them get struck an track and fall treed I just love it.and im going to keep doing it till the good Lord takes it away from me like I said I wasnt trying to disrespect any breeder or nor was I trying to find a hand out just feed up with the prices of everything and seeing all theses beautiful hounds with crazy prices just voiceing my God giving right.So know I hope they deleat this post.

Merry Christmas to all and Happy Birth Day my dear Lord

i undrstand some of what he is saying,i've tried to buy a "nice" pup for quite some time and i keep gettin "r ya gonna comp. hunt him/her" i don't lie so i say i doubt it,it aint my thing,then i get "well i'd really like my pups to go to comp. hunters" so now i'm on my fourth pup that i've bought with not much luck of gettin what i want,but oh well i'm poor so i guess i'll just have to take it in the ***. i finally found someone who would sell me a nice pup,we'll c how that works out next spring,i guess you just gotta keep lookin,it's taken me four friggin years tho to find one. i definetatly aint gonna get to upset though,anyone who asks that much for a pup must have a screw loose and anyone who would give that much for a pup must have many screws loose,but to each there own,who cares about the money i still have fun and i cant afford to pay attention.

Posted by hillbilly56 on 12-26-2010 05:46 AM:

justin

quote:
Originally posted by Justin Smith
Amen .. wait , not that either !!

i cant help stirring the pot but when you see these people getting all ticked off you just have to keep putting bs up on these post to give them something to agure about lol ole traxxx he really get up tight on the political post lol

Posted by l.lyle on 12-26-2010 05:47 AM:

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Originally posted by Justin Smith
If you want to borrow money on a house , someone has to come appraise it and tell you what your property is worth .

If you want to sell a truck , you look up the blue book and that is what it's worth .

The county assessor comes by and tells you what your property is worth .

Every insurance policy against property is based on what others think your property is worth .

In business , there are laws to prevent price gouging ... not a single one of us could afford to buy gasoline if this were not true .. and still some gas stations and such still get in trouble now and then ... yall seriously never heard the term ?

Without leadership and laws ... we would all still be serfs , endentured servants or just plain slaves to those with old money or power .

This stuff doesn't change or become wrong just because we are talking about hounds ... it just shows how far removed the working man has become from reality and why Obama got elected ....

Justin you seem to contradict yourself when you say anytime someone "charges more than the product is worth, that is just wrong".

Compare to the above with that statement.

My day starts out with putting 10 gallons of gas in my 200K mile truck. My job that day is to evaluate a piece of land the client is fixing to spend 1 million dollars on buying and anothe 5 million in fixing up. My job is to separate the "meat from the bone" so to speak. At the end of the day I tell him the land is 25% meat and the rest bone for his goal.

Should I charge him 40$ worth of gas and 8 hrs of minimum wage ( and who set the minimum wage? there is none in my case) . That is what the product is worth OK ? according to that theory ; let's say $140.

That's all I'm worth for saving a man a cool $1 million and potential $2,000,000 adding the Closing, Engineering, Architectural, Etc Etc???? On top of that, once it fails the Government Whiff test and won't get permited, his property is now worth 100K$??? . Come on man! By the way , one of my girlfriends just paid $500 for a 6wk old dome headed Cocker pup she bought herself for her Christmas present. Come on Man.!

Posted by Larry Wood on 12-26-2010 05:49 AM:

traxx to them the truth does'nt matter evidently !!! justin by the way i will gladly accept your offer for the tax value on my house and my truck and my wifes car and my dump trucks and my wifes jewerly ! so on and so on !!and i would like for you to look at the added tax on a gallon of gas the next time you pull up to a station the government could care less if you are putting your last 10$ to your name in ! and you say its right ??you are living in a state of confusion ! i think people are really confused about who they are defending !bout like a democrate saying their against abortion !! man the worst person to lie to is yourself !!!teachers unions have destroyed our future that and liberal text books .. tell me your tired of people being took advantage of ...you gotta be kidding me !

Posted by lightning1 on 12-26-2010 05:49 AM:

I'm glad I stay off the walcur board. The best dogs I've had were from unproven crosses but coon dogs. A 2,500 pup better be bringing me gold coins instead of 5 dollar coon.

Posted by Larry Wood on 12-26-2010 05:57 AM:

i just wonder how many people complaining about prices being charged to other people on here have cell phones ,cable tv , cars with power windows ,ac etc etc ?

Posted by bluecole on 12-26-2010 06:01 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by lightning1
I'm glad I stay off the walcur board. The best dogs I've had were from unproven crosses but coon dogs. A 2,500 pup better be bringing me gold coins instead of 5 dollar coon.

ain't that the friggin truth,i want a chance to hunt with 2500 dollar pup just to c what i've been missin,does a 2500 dollar pup eat it's own crap or lick his balls,well he better dang well not,lol i would just like to hunt with a 2500 dollar coon dog,and that dog had better not even think of treein a slick or jammin a possum

Posted by l.lyle on 12-26-2010 06:23 AM:

Then what coersion was used to make you buy him? If you did buy it was it because you thought your buddies evaluations of you would be elevated? Or, if you did not buy it , why not look at your buddy that did buy it and snicker at his stupid Ways. Or if he did buy it and it turned out to be a better dog than what you got, would you still chalk it up to random selection or show an appreciation for someone that has a better understanding of the "future value " of a product than you will ever comprehend?

Reminds me of the guy that bought the triple crown winner at an unbelievable high price. Also the same dude that bought a 2 out of three winner for unbelievably low auction.

Posted by lightning1 on 12-26-2010 06:39 AM:

I guess I shouldn't say anything. I was offered 3,000 for a 18 month old dog and didn't even consider taking it because I liked his potential. What's a good dog really worth. He ended up going bug eyed and getting culled.

Posted by l.lyle on 12-26-2010 08:39 AM:

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Originally posted by lightning1
I guess I shouldn't say anything. I was offered 3,000 for a 18 month old dog and didn't even consider taking it because I liked his potential. What's a good dog really worth. He ended up going bug eyed and getting culled.

LOL sometimes chit happens, and sometimes, like the great philosopher, Eddie Murphy say, Sometime psy jus fall out de sky.

Once upon a time I would push a 18 inch lawnmower across an acre for three dollars. I saved and saved and bought a bluetick from a fellow gwoin off to Veit nam. ??? should I hold a grudge on the vietnam vet what ain't even a vet yet for 40$? Upon dat same time de dawg got tired of walking around in the woods with his nose up my crack ( I can't blame the dog) and he took off to get between the Old Yellow lines in a highway that I-95 took the place of and didn't make it 100 yards.. For 40$ worth of stick his nose up my crack dog , or just let it slide?? ?? ?? What would you do?

Posted by l.lyle on 12-26-2010 09:13 AM:

WELL< since no daggum body has the guts to answer that simple one,. It is simple so answer it. ( I proclaim deaf my self so dat gives me another scuse to shut the heck up and listen, Ise still in de learnin mode my own self. Please enlighten me!!!

Like my old assed councelor used to tell me, Boy, You may be in the right church, just sittin on the wrong pew; which does not much for stability " Crazy, Me tinks not". I give you an excuse not to answer me and you still won't take me up on it???? Don't miss your chance.

That is OK if you must take months or even years to formulate a response. Do not worry about it. I will still be here when you get your stuff together.

Posted by Russell Boyette on 12-26-2010 09:21 AM:

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Originally posted by Traxx Addict
I am all for it.

Me too! But a policy of permanently registering only the dogs who have proven abilities has far, far less to do with someone like you raising a litter of pups or me buying one of them to start than it does with the $$$ it would cost UKC, PKC, AKC, etc.

If I bought a pup from you or raised a litter for myself to keep a couple, it would be of far more benefit to me not to spend my money on paying those pups up for the Performance Program, SS, Breeders' Stakes, etc before they're 6mth old. Everytime I think about all the 6mth & younger pups I've registered or paid up for programs that I sent to the Hereafter before they even came close to a hunt, it scares me to death!

BUUUUTTTTTT! Our KC's are set-up to make a lot of money from those pups we spend money to register. Hell, they could help a lot by removing all these late fees that make it that much harder for someone who wants to wait until they know the pup's worth a crap to register it.

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Posted by l.lyle on 12-26-2010 10:41 AM:

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Originally posted by bluecole
i undrstand some of what he is saying,i've tried to buy a "nice" pup for quite some time and i keep gettin "r ya gonna comp. hunt him/her" i don't lie so i say i doubt it,it aint my thing,then i get "well i'd really like my pups to go to comp. hunters" so now i'm on my fourth pup that i've bought with not much luck of gettin what i want,but oh well i'm poor so i guess i'll just have to take it in the ***. i finally found someone who would sell me a nice pup,we'll c how that works out next spring,i guess you just gotta keep lookin,it's taken me four friggin years tho to find one. i definetatly aint gonna get to upset though,anyone who asks that much for a pup must have a screw loose and anyone who would give that much for a pup must have many screws loose,but to each there own,who cares about the money i still have fun and i cant afford to pay attention.

Number 1 , Pore ain't got one thing to do with it. If you want to take my pup and make into something, I will work with you. In fqct , if you want to take six of the eight pps out that litter , Iwill wok withyou. I will even size up a little 13 year old boyman , and say to my self, if I could cut grass for threee months to buy a 35 $ pup 35 years ago, while I am looking that child in the eye. And if he CANNOT LOOK me in the eye, I will send his little itty bitty on away, the excact same as I doos with a full growd man. What really ain nothin but a itty biity wanting something for nothing shows up at dog dog shows . But I don''t mind puytting a boot in a " I am somebody's typa ass . His Daddy has the chivrollet place , but everybody already knows he ain't worth crap,. even though he he don't do drugs his daddy ain't yet taught him how to shake a man's hand when he strikes some kind of a deal and look the MAN IN THE EYE and that is what happns come Hell and High Water.

History is not bad, in fact it is good, I made a dog when I was 13 , But I had an advantage of being able to drive my Daddy's Chrysler which was what my aunt gave him, dogs in the trunk around when I was 13. But when I did not have that advantage, I walked and walked and walked and treed a possun and kicked some ass. and Iwas
trotted and jumped deer but I had on tenis shoes so I ran the basterd pup of mine down and I shure did hate to do a deer messing with dog , but I did it. But sometimes I would leave that pupy on de chain and take off cross my uncle's place and swing back round through hour place and get to bustin through the briar patches , Id be close to out of breath but wen you breathin from time to time anyaway, what really does it matter when you charge ainto an big Bucks bed and you happen to exhale at the approprate momoent and it scares to chit out of that Buck( Hell , Lets call it a male deer with hornies on e haid. Get this picture, I'm thirteen , been training dogs for most one year, been spliting the famlys wood for three years or so, an den a big deer jumps clean out de bed while i am a haulin it through his area which dat moron shjould have done already knowed he had staked out as his'on . So I jog and breathe and he gits terrified and instead of hauling ass like the grass splittin doe he bin sleeping with , that moran jumps straight up out of his bed , so hell, by the time he can come back to earth , I am standing under him whith my 16 gauge Ivey- Johnson , and dat bees all she wrote. I' don't mind giving a pup to a 13 year old stud hoss to be , but a chile won;t get one for 250 $ but if an idiot offers 350 he will probly haul home a pup between his breast. LOL.

Posted by Russell Boyette on 12-26-2010 10:42 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by lightning1
I'm glad I stay off the walcur board. The best dogs I've had were from unproven crosses but coon dogs. A 2,500 pup better be bringing me gold coins instead of 5 dollar coon.

quote:
Originally posted by bluecole
ain't that the friggin truth,i want a chance to hunt with 2500 dollar pup just to c what i've been missin,does a 2500 dollar pup eat it's own crap or lick his balls,well he better dang well not,lol i would just like to hunt with a 2500 dollar coon dog,and that dog had better not even think of treein a slick or jammin a possum

Guys, I'm not trying to be a smartass here, because like you I'm not going to be spending $2,500 of my money on an 8 week old pup.

You guys are missing something, & a bunch of you have worked yourself up into a frenzy over nothing. Yes, I said NOTHING!

I'm not saying that there's not someone who sold the last of a litter of $2,500 pup this morning, but for the most part that big "sticker price" is nowhere close to what most of these breeders are getting for their pups. I've gotten to know a few people who have advertised or priced pups over the phone for $1,500 & up. While I'm sure there are some breeders that are serious as a heartattack when they price a pup that high, but I would say on the high side of 75% of them don't sell the 1st pup for that price. I could be completely wrong, but I would bet you far more are given away for absolutely nothing.

Out of the men I know I know personally, a couple of them throw that big price out there to get the coffee shop & message board coonhunters stirred up. It gives them more joy than a kid at Christmas time. The others(I feel like a couple of the latest big $ litters fall into this catagory), they know where almost all of the pups from that litter they don't keep for themselves, are going before the cross is ever made. That $1,000-$6,500 price is floated around some u, me, & every other wishful thinker won't be calling them all hours of the day & night trying to book a pup.

It's not that they're trying to snub you. It's just they don't know you, & to be honest, 99% of you don't hunt hard enough, know enough, or will get off the computer long enough to get the most out of that pup.

Do I agree with the way they handle things? No. If it were me, I just simply wouldn't advertise the fact I made the cross to begin with. You can tell PKC you don't want it in the breeding printed in Prohound, & you don't have to get on the message board & tell the world about it. But that's their decision.

After you're around it long enough you'll realize only about 1/2 of the big $ dog sales actually happen, & only about 1/2 of those that do, are sold for the price that hits the rumor mill

Happy New Year everybody!

Posted by Russell Boyette on 12-26-2010 10:48 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by l.lyle
Number 1 , Pore ain't got one thing to do with it. If you want to take my pup and make into something, I will work with you. In fqct , if you want to take six of the eight pps out that litter , Iwill wok withyou. I will even size up a little 13 year old boyman , and say to my self, if I could cut grass for threee months to buy a 35 $ pup 35 years ago, while I am looking that child in the eye. And if he CANNOT LOOK me in the eye, I will send his little itty bitty on away, the excact same as I doos with a full growd man. What really ain nothin but a itty biity wanting something for nothing shows up at dog dog shows . But I don''t mind puytting a boot in a " I am somebody's typa ass . His Daddy has the chivrollet place , but everybody already knows he ain't worth crap,. even though he he don't do drugs his daddy ain't yet taught him how to shake a man's hand when he strikes some kind of a deal and look the MAN IN THE EYE and that is what happns come Hell and High Water.

History is not bad, in fact it is good, I made a dog when I was 13 , But I had an advantage of being able to drive my Daddy's Chrysler which was what my aunt gave him, dogs in the trunk around when I was 13. But when I did not have that advantage, I walked and walked and walked and treed a possun and kicked some ass. and Iwas
trotted and jumped deer but I had on tenis shoes so I ran the basterd pup of mine down and I shure did hate to do a deer messing with dog , but I did it. But sometimes I would leave that pupy on de chain and take off cross my uncle's place and swing back round through hour place and get to bustin through the briar patches , Id be close to out of breath but wen you breathin from time to time anyaway, what really does it matter when you charge ainto an big Bucks bed and you happen to exhale at the approprate momoent and it scares to chit out of that Buck( Hell , Lets call it a male deer with hornies on e haid. Get this picture, I'm thirteen , been training dogs for most one year, been spliting the famlys wood for three years or so, an den a big deer jumps clean out de bed while i am a haulin it through his area which dat moron shjould have done already knowed he had staked out as his'on . So I jog and breathe and he gits terrified and instead of hauling ass like the grass splittin doe he bin sleeping with , that moran jumps straight up out of his bed , so hell, by the time he can come back to earth , I am standing under him whith my 16 gauge Ivey- Johnson , and dat bees all she wrote. I' don't mind giving a pup to a 13 year old stud hoss to be , but a chile won;t get one for 250 $ but if an idiot offers 350 he will probly haul home a pup between his breast. LOL.

I'm sorry, but what in the HELL are you talking about?

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Price of pups

I just recently bought an English pup from Rev.Richard Moore out of Gr.Nt.Ch.Rocky Again and WLDCh.Gr.Nt.Ch.Rocky Creek Jess.I paid $1250.00 for her.Richard normally has all his pups sold by the time they are weaned.And for one reason only.They are normally ALL natural tree dogs with a natural tracking ability.And it goes back to the blood that is bred into them.Now don't get me wrong,$1250.00 IS a lot of money.But,I know for a fact,Richard has for years made crosses that,for lack of a better word,were nothin' short of AWESOME.So,with that bein' said,I'll take my chances.Here is a pic of her.'PR'Pungo's Hardtime Lil Lucy.

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Posted by l.lyle on 12-26-2010 12:02 PM:

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Originally posted by Russell Boyette
I'm sorry, but what in the HELL are you talking about?

Well then re-read i t and think about it . You may even need to ponder it, and dwell on it . This aint no costume party what I said, and I stand behind every letter of it I typed. So @! just what part of it you had difficulty in comprehending?????. Can you understand any? Or none at all??

Any particular part you would like to review?

Posted by POP on 12-26-2010 12:04 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Traxx Addict
First off..you told a lie.. Bush didnt get us into anything...it was voted on and supported by BOTH parties. not to mention that the intelligence gathered that claimed Saddam was a threat to America by funding terrorism and creating WMD's was gathered under Clinton's watch...It was the DEMOCRATS wanting to go to war and oust Saddam LONG before GW Bush was ever president.

WRONG AGAIN... it was your BABY MURDERING DEMOCRATS claiming Saddam was funding terrorism LONG before GW Bush was ever President..

Here, let them tell you for themselves and refresh your apparent memory loss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDitSbkQKIs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFBl...feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h6g...feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSwSDvgw5Uc

Odd how Democrat supporters cant keep their facts and stories straight...Isnt it?? They seem to suffer from very short memories and defend the lowest of scum that they help elect no matter how corrupt and Anti American they are proven to be.

hahahahaha!!!! quit using facts....they hate that!!

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Posted by l.lyle on 12-26-2010 01:10 PM:

Often times I am axde f I be Cajun . And out ouf ustumary delights, I say knawain't cajum ' keep on guesin. Mr Boyette , You might understand that as 2ll or better danme? we might get along better thanwe may E' spec. I appreciate the fact when somebody don't get the drift, dey go ,Uh?? me too yous be . Alittle Brooklin , Cajun , gullah, tiny bit oLatin and /Scots when you interpret that part you won't ne're gin ax , me what i say? Ebmn dedawgs kno siccum.

Posted by Hokieman on 12-26-2010 01:43 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by l.lyle
Often times I am axde f I be Cajun . And out ouf ustumary delights, I say knawain't cajum ' keep on guesin. Mr Boyette , You might understand that as 2ll or better danme? we might get along better thanwe may E' spec. I appreciate the fact when somebody don't get the drift, dey go ,Uh?? me too yous be . Alittle Brooklin , Cajun , gullah, tiny bit oLatin and /Scots when you interpret that part you won't ne're gin ax , me what i say? Ebmn dedawgs kno siccum.

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