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As I said earlier. This post is going south and before long, it will be deleted. I like my English, you like your Walkers, so what, end of story. I won't push my breed on you and you do the same. It's all about respect and this post is lacking a lot of it!

Respect the breed, respect the people that has it and we all should play nice!

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Lori, I do play nice until I hear the same pathetic excuses from other breed hunters that claim the only reason walkers win is because there are so many of them.

Everyone go to the coon hound classifieds and search each breed. See how many supposedly coon dogs there are for sale in each breed on a weekly basis. Then you will have the reason as to which breed is more dominant.

If you want to buy a good off colored dog it will cost you an arm and a leg and that's if you can even find one forsale. But good walkers are sold everyday.

ive sold 2 in the last year...(off colored) and didnt even ask more than a couple fingers and a thumb for them..both sold quick and both owners are happy...i know of 3 or 4 right now that are pretty decent dogs at decent prices..
as a matter of fact the walker i checked out for my uncle was half the dog and twice the price as my off color potlickers....
so that theory wont hold sand around here..

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And as I stated in my very first post...Redbones dominate here. You have a handful of Blueticks & Walkers. I'm about the only English person in our club. We had 3 hunts since October and my male won all 3 hunts. He had Walkers, Blueticks and Redbones in his casts and 1 B & T, he won over all the other casts of Walkers, Redbones & Blueticks. Does that mean the English dogs are better? No, it just means he was better on those nights then the other breeds. I counted it up, for him to make NITECH he had to beat 36 other dogs to get there and all 3 times, his score was higher then the winning NITECH score.

It really amuses me when a post is made, stating something about Walkers, people get down right mean and nasty in some of their posts, if another doesn't agree with them. Their are 7 breeds of coonhounds and all 7 of those are winning in the Nite Hunts, which means not everyone is a Walker fan. Why can't we all just accept that we have different tastes and go on from there? All this bickering back and forth, isn't making the Walkers or any other breed look good. Just accept that it is different strokes for different folks and be done with it.

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I will agree that there are good dogs in every breed of coon hounds! I don't think that anybody that has ever coon hunted doubts that. HOWEVER I will take a stand when people say the only reason walkers win is because there are so many of them because that's a sad excuse.

Lori, I own a little 2 year old 40lb walker female and I own a just over 2 year old english male.

I trained this english dog from a pup and I entered him in his first hunt 8 months ago he is now a Nite Ch with 3 wins toward grand. All my grandpa ever hunted with were english so that's all I had ever been around until 5 years ago when I bought a walker female that was unreal and that's when I decided to hunt them.

I am not nervous when it comes to drawing the big name dogs and or handlers but I must admit I get a little nervous when I draw out with a little walker female.

It is obvious to me after reading this forum that competition is alive and well and will be for some time. I love it, it gets your motor runnin don't it. I need clarification though. Has one of the registries changed the rules behind my back. I thought plus points (live coon in tree) trumped all else and that was also the objective of the pleasure hunt. Please help me understand the difference I only been at this for 35 years, mabe I'll catch on soon.

David

Numbers don't lie. The Walkers are flat out the "Benchmark" in the only common measuring stick we have.........The Nite Hunts. They have flat out dominated, period. I've had the pleasure of following several of those tri-colored rascals around the woods that were top shelf. That being said, one thing I have noticed that is common about the folks who have those good Walkers. They don't bump their gums about how good they are & why they are so good, they let the dog do the talking. Put a positive spin on it, the hopeless & clueless like myself that hunt an "off colored" dog have something to aspire towards. Nothing like a good scalding of ole blue from a good walker to serve as motivation to better what one has!

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Just something I thought of, probally get my head chewed off for it, but here goes...

You own an 'off color' dog (in English, they can look like a Walker and still be English), you decide to enter a hunt. there are 100 dogs entered (yeeehaw) 75 of those dogs are Walkers and the other 25 are 'Off Color', so what percentage does an 'off color' dog have of winning that hunt? Near as I can figure, a 25% chance of winning. When the odds are stacked in their favor, yes a Walker has a good 75% chance of winning that hunt. Not saying this in a bad way, just in a way that seems understandable.

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So since the New York Yankees spend tripple the ammount of money on players they asould be almost guaranteed victory right?? WRONG

Here's a little stat for you. 2 times I drew 3 english dogs in casts with my female I called the d-train and smoked them. So based on youre theory I was out numbered 6 to 1 but smoked them.

I don't care if youre dog is outnumbered 1000 to 1 if youre dog is the better dog it will win!!!!!!!!!!!! The day I result to making excuses for my lack of dog power is the day I up and sell everything. I don't think you or anyone else knows how competitive I am so I WILL put myself in the best position to win and that is made possible due to the independence, accuracy, and nose power of my overgrown beagles.

My last hunt I went to I hunted my little walker female she treed 4 single coon all to herself why the other dogs were packing and making den trees. I scored 750 and had 20 minutes left to hunt but we walked the rest out. Maybe I should have told her to thank all the other thousands of walker dogs that treed those coon for her LOL Give me a break.

I loved hearing how this past year it wouldn't be a walker dog winning the world hunt in those mountains because they don't have the nose power. The walker breed was totally dominate slaughtering all the other breeds.

like i have said before we don't have to get into a breed war over this. it was just asked why walkers were the most popular. just because someone hunts the same breed doesn't mean they hunt less of a dog and if we all hunted the same thing the hunts would be kind of boring. i will say that when you show up to a hunt with 25 dogs entered you have a 1 in 25 chance of winning no matter what you hunt so this numbers thing is silly.

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Originally posted by treberta
So since the New York Yankees spend tripple the ammount of money on players they asould be almost guaranteed victory right?? WRONG

Here's a little stat for you. 2 times I drew 3 english dogs in casts with my female I called the d-train and smoked them. So based on youre theory I was out numbered 6 to 1 but smoked them.

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There is no statistic that can measure the chance of winning except this:

If your dog doesn't tree coons, you have a 0% chance of winning.
If your dog trees coons, but another dog on the cast does it faster you have a 0% chance of winning. (Hypothetically)

Forget how many different breeds there are. Whether there are 3 walkers and 1 off colored, or 1 walker and 3 off colored, they still have to do the same thing - tree a coon.

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Treberta...

I think you read my post wrong... lol

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Re: For what it's worth

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Originally posted by hellcat
I think that there are three reasons for the popularity of the Walker breed.



1. During the early days of hound breeders the Walker breed had some very good breeders who were also very good promoters. They produced a good product and were able to tell the public about those hounds in a way that the public accepted. Some of the other breeds had several breeders producing good hounds but they were not good promoters, there were also good promoters that really didn't produce good hounds.

2. Because of the good foundation laid down by these early breeders the Walker breed today tends to produce hounds with very good athletics. When a Walker hound has the desire and brains to be a top hound you can rest assured that his athletics won't hold him back. That cannot be said about any other breed. Some bloodlines in every breed are like this but not breed wide.

3. The competition hunt rules have been written to favor a hound with the characteristics that the Walker breed tend to be strong in. Therefore the Walker breed has been able to build a long and impressive wining record in the competition hunts for decades. This allows today's breeders a ready made form of promoting their stud dogs. This continues the momentum that was started way back in the day by the foundation breeders of the Walker breed.

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Originally posted by treberta
Stokes you just refuse to believe the truth that walkers are infact the best overall breed! Slice it! Dice it! Chop it up until you throw it up but it's a FACT!

My guess is you have hunted with at most 3 or 4 walkers and they either looked like crap or smoked you. Never base youre oppinion on a select few dogs. If you honestly think that redbones are better then enter all the prohunts this year and travel around and win all these walker dogs money. It should be easy the way you describe it I mean walkers just win because there are so many of them. Ill also add this there's no talking sense into someone that refuses to believe you.

It amazes me how someone can badmouth a breed that has pulled so far ahead of all the rest. I can't count on all my fingers and toes as to how many people I have hunted with that have switched to walkers. There's a reasaon for it, they want to win. They want to show up to a hunt with confidence. My dogs are good and im proud of it!!!!!!!! Im not bragging on them I have worked my butt off trying to train and hunt good sollid coon dogs.

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Originally posted by Sheriff Andy
I THINK THE WALKER DOG OWNERS ARE JUST BETTER TRAINERS, DON'T YA'LL AGREE?

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Originally posted by Justin Smith
Totally , anyone that can get them spotted things to winning could prolly train a poodle to tree coon.

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Originally posted by Justin Smith
Totally , anyone that can get them spotted things to winning could prolly train a poodle to tree coon.

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