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Posted by micooner on 10-15-2009 09:38 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Ben Crocker
Little advise for you guys. I've gotten to know our local DNR pretty good around here. I ran into him hunting last night and we was chatting about a few things. He mentioned how he watched me walk out of the woods shining trees along this fence row. He then informed me that it was agaisnt the law to shine a tree at night without a dog under it. Of course he didn't issue me a ticket, but said he very easily could have even with my dog on the leash beside me. Just thought I'd share.

Ben who is your dnr man is it jason smith or josh wright?? we had both down my way...Hey Brandon made a drop with your dad and kelly goble sun night, He said try to keep you in line I said that was impossible from what I seen LOL

Posted by Brandon Coselman on 10-15-2009 09:45 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by micooner
Ben who is your dnr man is it jason smith or josh wright?? we had both down my way...Hey Brandon made a drop with your dad and kelly goble sun night, He said try to keep you in line I said that was impossible from what I seen LOL

Yea maybe some day he will wake up and say the h*ll with it! lol

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Posted by Todd Miller on 10-15-2009 10:04 PM:

Thats all right, Dicky marked all them spots you guided him to for that 1350+. I'd say there is a strong chance he'll be back in there when the coon prime up. If you knew Dicky better you would of been camping his cast along the Murphy State Game Area. lol

Ben, Oh I know how Dickie is, a lot like me I guess spot and drop LOL. We had that discussion that night.
Thats good info on the shinning, did not know that.

Posted by Davebrott on 10-15-2009 10:36 PM:

DNR

Raccoon
(Regular)
Oct. 1 -
Jan. 31
With dogs only. Firearm must be unloaded and arrows un-nocked except when taking raccoon in tree.
Only lights similar to the type ordinarily held in the hand or on the person.
(Flashlights, portable battery-powered spotlights and headlamps, and similar portable lights designed to be carried in the hand or on the person are legal.)

The use of natural light, including night vision optics and scopes, is legal.

Only a .22 or smaller caliber rimfire rifle or handgun, or shotgun with loads other than buckshot, slug, ball or cut shell, or bow and arrow.

Raccoon
(Damage
Control)
July 15 -
Sept. 30
and
Feb. 1 -
March 31
Only on private lands when doing or about to do damage; landowners and guests only; with dogs only. Firearm must be unloaded and arrows un-nocked except when taking raccoon in tree.

I don't see anything in the rules saying you can't shine your light around to see what the coon population is.

Posted by Todd Miller on 10-15-2009 11:19 PM:

Its probably falls under something else like shining. I am Not sure though.

Posted by Ben Crocker on 10-16-2009 06:19 AM:

Re: DNR

quote:
Originally posted by Davebrott
Raccoon
(Regular)
Oct. 1 -
Jan. 31
With dogs only. Firearm must be unloaded and arrows un-nocked except when taking raccoon in tree.
Only lights similar to the type ordinarily held in the hand or on the person.
(Flashlights, portable battery-powered spotlights and headlamps, and similar portable lights designed to be carried in the hand or on the person are legal.)

The use of natural light, including night vision optics and scopes, is legal.

Only a .22 or smaller caliber rimfire rifle or handgun, or shotgun with loads other than buckshot, slug, ball or cut shell, or bow and arrow.

Raccoon
(Damage
Control)
July 15 -
Sept. 30
and
Feb. 1 -
March 31
Only on private lands when doing or about to do damage; landowners and guests only; with dogs only. Firearm must be unloaded and arrows un-nocked except when taking raccoon in tree.

I don't see anything in the rules saying you can't shine your light around to see what the coon population is.

Maybe you can if your not carrying a firearm. The point he made to me would fall under poaching he said. If its after shooting hours and your shining across fields or in trees with a firearm loaded or unloaded you can be issued a ticket.

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Posted by Larry Atherton on 10-16-2009 04:14 PM:

Ben,

That ticket would be easy to fight as long as your gun is unloaded. You simply take the rules into the judge. Tell him your were just following the rules. I would also show a picture of a coon hunter with a head lamp and explain the light shines where you look.

The Law Enforcement Division often times interprets the rules to their liking, and the DNR can't figure out why their popularity is so low.

The biggest problem is most are unwilling to fight a ticket. I know a guy who has received 19 tickets to date, and he has successfully fought each one with just one trip to the court house.

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Posted by jeremy d kollek on 10-17-2009 12:07 AM:

ben dnr told me the same 15 yrs ago

Posted by Chris W. Baker on 10-17-2009 10:57 AM:

Shining

This falls under the "shining laws". So outside the month of november, your good until 11pm. No shining during november unless on your own property. Then the whole issue of carrying a gun comes up. Your right about the headlamp. Most DNR will not issue a ticket for this, unless they are watching you shine fencerows, and killing coon without the dog treed. With the price of coon, who would do that.
Larry is right - if issued a ticket by the DNR, fight it. Many if not most can be beaten, without an attorney. Just know the law, do some research and your ok.

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Posted by Hardwood Kennel on 10-17-2009 12:11 PM:

Brandon, I saw the photo of the winners last year. Scar looked good in that photo but you on the other hand is another story lol. No reason to break up the winning team if you and ben want to use scar again this year to go back to back you can come get her again.

barry

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Posted by Ben Crocker on 10-17-2009 02:50 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hardwood Kennel
Brandon, I saw the photo of the winners last year. Scar looked good in that photo but you on the other hand is another story lol. No reason to break up the winning team if you and ben want to use scar again this year to go back to back you can come get her again.

barry

One thing is for sure, when Scar is dumped in coon she can tree them like squirrels. She treed most of them coon in that picture.

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Posted by Brandon Coselman on 10-17-2009 04:35 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Ben Crocker
One thing is for sure, when Scar is dumped in coon she can tree them like squirrels. She treed most of them coon in that picture.

lol... I would say that You or Eagan treed most of the coon in that picture with a few by Star & Scar tossed in!

Posted by Ben Crocker on 10-17-2009 08:40 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by HardcoreKennels
lol... I would say that You or Eagan treed most of the coon in that picture with a few by Star & Scar tossed in!

We sure enough treed some ourself, but both dogs treed a bunch of coon, and the one spot that was loaded Scar actually treed a pile in their.

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Posted by Brandon Coselman on 10-17-2009 08:47 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Ben Crocker
We sure enough treed some ourself, but both dogs treed a bunch of coon, and the one spot that was loaded Scar actually treed a pile in their.

Well 10/4... Good Deal! Eagan & Kent said she could sure get treed FAST! Im sure when ya put her in some of them "Coon Pens" up their she can tree a pile! lol

Posted by Hardwood Kennel on 10-17-2009 10:43 PM:

Between them two guys and a pair of treedogs and two good lights, the coons dont stand a chance.

Posted by Brandon Coselman on 10-19-2009 04:44 PM:

Less than 3 weeks away!

Posted by Pilgram Mafia on 10-19-2009 08:12 PM:

Brandon i think kolleck and i will be there hes checking his work week lol hope we can make it sounds like some fun

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Posted by Brandon Coselman on 10-19-2009 09:30 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Pilgram Mafia
Brandon i think kolleck and i will be there hes checking his work week lol hope we can make it sounds like some fun

10/4... Who are ya??

Posted by Joe S. on 10-19-2009 09:35 PM:

Hey barry i might need a partner!! you game??

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Posted by Hardwood Kennel on 10-20-2009 02:09 AM:

Joe, I hunt alone. Thats the way I have hunted for years and I like it that way. I am sure you can fine someone to hunt with just not me. You are going to need a good light to beat Brandon and Ben. I think they may have the trail cams out getting ready for this year. lol

Posted by Joe S. on 10-20-2009 04:06 AM:

ill need a few lights barry. 32 coons or whatever it was is quite the pile. i need to start saving um now! i have a hard enough time treeing 1 a night let alone 30 something!!

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Posted by cj. on 10-24-2009 06:11 AM:

Sexton's Big Sexy is puttin' em up Crocker..... got enuff power? Just gettin big enough, he's not falling alseep in the box between drops as much.

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Posted by Brandon Coselman on 10-25-2009 05:17 PM:

Only 2 weeks away... Leaves are coming off and its posta be cooling down!

Posted by Bobby Stevens on 10-25-2009 06:15 PM:

BRANDON O GOT A RAT DOG THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WORK IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD!

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Posted by Brandon Coselman on 10-25-2009 09:09 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Bobby Stevens
BRANDON O GOT A RAT DOG THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WORK IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD!

Bobby come on up for a hunt anytime! Leaves are fallin off the trees and the coons are gettin prime!!

But anyway like i said ur more than welcome to come up and go huntin anytime!

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