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Posted by ringtail on 11-03-2008 03:52 AM:

yes we can, yes we can, yes we can......

quote:
Originally posted by Knox
I havent heard him say one word about free hand-outs, and I dont know of anyone that wants one.......Tim

no because u choose to hear what u want to hear....... what do u call his re-distribution of wealth plan? it is HAND-OUTS, I don't care how u choose to look at it, word it or spin it....

quote:
Originally posted by Knox
If you watched some of his speeches you would know the answer, several on here have explained it.........Tim

I've watched plenty of his speeches and yes I do know his answers..... obam's own words says it best "just words, just speeches"..... his best and most telling answers are in his voting records, when he speaks for the cuff, caught off guard w/out a teleprompter (Joe the plumer proved that), his interviews, speeches and videos of him prior to entering the presidents race..... none of u obama zombies have explained anything, u repeat talking points and demcrap propaganda........

quote:
Originally posted by Knox
......some of you guys are blinded by McBush............Tim

blind? u my freind are the blind one......

"McBush" again with the demo talking point, keep proving my point.......

for your info, I'm not for McCain (never have been - he's subject to go liberal at any given moment)... I'm not voting for McCain, I'm voting against obama....

quote:
Originally posted by Knox
......America needing a CHANGE, for the good of ALL Americans, regardless of color, sex, religion...........Tim

exactly what CHANGE (for all Americans) is osama going to bring????? spell it out and be specific........

obama and the democraps r the only ones making race and sex an issue (but they sure STAY CLEAR of religion).......

race has absolutely nothing to do with my decision not to vote for obama….. as far as his religious beliefs, what he believes is so far down on the list of pros & cons, I haven’t even thought about……

below is a post I’ve made on a few other threads and I’m reposting it now so you can see the main reasons I’m not voting osama….. any true hunter should consider these FACTS……

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Originally posted by ringtail
this is probably the most important election, we hunters and gun owners will face..... the age old debate "the president can't take our guns" does not even come close to holding water this year..... for the 1st time, the most extreme liberal anti-gun candidate is very close to being elected president... our next president will appoint at least 3 (possibly as many as 5) SC judges and I will promise you, he will not appoint conservative judges (he will appoint judges that have his same extreme anti-2nd Amend. views).... liberal democraps already control congress and if they can get a few more liberal dem's elected to congress this yr they will have a filibuster proof majority..... as a hunter if that don't scare you, then something is wrong......

if obama is elected w/ a filibuster proof majority, gun rights & hunting privileges as we know them will be gone .....

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there ya have it knox...... if u can spin the above fact, go for it......
keep drinking the kool-aid and have a good night....

I'm not voting for McCain, I'm voting against obama.......

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Posted by redhunter on 11-03-2008 03:53 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: McCains Health Insurance Plan

quote:
Originally posted by Oak Ridge

I still don't see where the McCain plan calls for taxing the employer portion of insurance.....someone point it out for me please....I may be stupid....I may be blind...

I havent found specifically anywhere stating the employee would be taxed for the employer contributions. However, their are several articles detailing mccains plan saying to help cover the tax credit, Employers will knowlonger be able to deduct their contributions. Therefore taxing employers on any contributions they make.
http://asp.usatoday.com/news/politi...px?i=3&c=11
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/pub...m?doc_id=707948

Posted by ringtail on 11-03-2008 04:00 AM:

in case u missed it......

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Originally posted by ringtail
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Originally posted by ringtail
this is probably the most important election, we hunters and gun owners will face..... the age old debate "the president can't take our guns" does not even come close to holding water this year..... for the 1st time, the most extreme liberal anti-gun candidate is very close to being elected president... our next president will appoint at least 3 (possibly as many as 5) SC judges and I will promise you, he will not appoint conservative judges (he will appoint judges that have his same extreme anti-2nd Amend. views).... liberal democraps already control congress and if they can get a few more liberal dem's elected to congress this yr they will have a filibuster proof majority..... as a hunter if that don't scare you, then something is wrong......

if obama is elected w/ a filibuster proof majority, gun rights & hunting privileges as we know them will be gone .....

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Posted by davebastean on 11-03-2008 05:29 AM:

Posted by davebastean on 11-03-2008 05:33 AM:

This is his site Didn't a lot of people scare us that Bill Clinton would take our guns and hunting rights away too? Instead we got 8 years of prosperity.

Posted by Wingman66 on 11-03-2008 06:27 AM:

Mr. McCain how many houses do you own?

Mr. McCain...ummmm lets see...ummm...ummm...huh can I get back with you?

Nuff said...

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Posted by ringtail on 11-03-2008 06:32 AM:

dave......

u got that chart off of obama's website... what did u expect it to show? that McCain's tax plan was better? LOL LOL

the only problem w/ ur chart, u didn't facter in bush's expired tax cuts.... yes that is right obama is going to let the Bush tax cuts expire and when they do McCain's figures on obama's chart is going to look darn good....... I guess in a way obama is not going to raise taxes on the lower level, he is just going to let Bush's cut expire..... I guess that way he can blame Bush for ur taxes going up & u obama zombies will believe it........

run the figures again and factor in the expired Bush tax cut (they'll expire in 2010) and show us what ur chart looks like then... I'll be waiting for ur post.......

quote:
Originally posted by davebastean
This is his site Didn't a lot of people scare us that Bill Clinton would take our guns and hunting rights away too? Instead we got 8 years of prosperity.

the circumstances were totally different when Clinton came in... he had a republican majority, so he couldn't take our guns......... by the way I voted for Clinton 1st term.......

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Originally posted by ringtail

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Originally posted by ringtail
.... the most extreme liberal anti-gun candidate is very close to being elected president... our next president will appoint at least 3 (possibly as many as 5) SC judges...... (he will appoint judges that have his same extreme anti-2nd Amend. views).... liberal democraps already control congress and if they can get a few more liberal dem's elected to congress this yr they will have a filibuster proof majority.....
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what part of this do u NOT understand????????????? what do u think obama will do if he is elected w/ a filibuster proof majority? before u answer take a look at obama's voting record on 2nd Amend issues......

if this does not concern u then u r really not a hunter...... I've already heard from some of the obama moles that have come in here to spread the propaganda & try to sway hunters to drink the kool-aid

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Posted by Wingman66 on 11-03-2008 08:36 AM:

davebastean...dont let these guys/gals worry you none. The wall street journal took a look at who's plan was the best. The end result was those that make $100,000.00 and less would fair better under obama. Those that made $100,000.00 and above would fair better under mcbush. I think I'll put more trust in the WSJ than a coonhound site.

I recall in 1991 rightwingers casting a certain candidate as a communist soviet sympathizer, gun grabber, whose economic program would ensure the demise of this great country. What happened when this candidate was elected? I forget. Oh thats right. We enjoyed the best economic times we will ever see again. Of course the cavefolks on this site blame the same person for the last 8 years of downhill bliss, instead of the actual person in charge from 00-08. Go figure that one...

Personally not a big fan of obama, and dislike mcbush three times as much. If the republicans had keep their mouths shut and said exactally what they were gonna do, I might have voted for mcbush. All the lies and propaganda they spread about obama turned me off and personally feel a slap in the face to the intelligence of the American people. When obama is elected tue, if he is, the republicans can blame one person and one person only. GW Bush for the flustercluck he created the last 8 years...

Posted by Wingman66 on 11-03-2008 08:40 AM:

quote:
exactly what CHANGE (for all Americans) is osama going to bring????? spell it out and be specific........

His name ain't bush and he ain't a republican. Thats specific enough for me...

Posted by daustin on 11-03-2008 09:02 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by davebastean

This shows approximately a 4% cut across the board on McCain's plan. Sounds pretty fair to me. How is it fair to tax someone who has worked hard to make a good living and prosper so that we may give the money to 4th generation welfare?

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Posted by davebastean on 11-03-2008 02:32 PM:

Re: dave......

quote:
Originally posted by ringtail
u got that chart off of obama's website... what did u expect it to show? that McCain's tax plan was better? LOL LOL

the only problem w/ ur chart, u didn't facter in bush's expired tax cuts.... yes that is right obama is going to let the Bush tax cuts expire and when they do McCain's figures on obama's chart is going to look darn good....... I guess in a way obama is not going to raise taxes on the lower level, he is just going to let Bush's cut expire..... I guess that way he can blame Bush for ur taxes going up & u obama zombies will believe it........

run the figures again and factor in the expired Bush tax cut (they'll expire in 2010) and show us what ur chart looks like then... I'll be waiting for ur post.......
the circumstances were totally different when Clinton came in... he had a republican majority, so he couldn't take our guns......... by the way I voted for Clinton 1st term.......
what part of this do u NOT understand????????????? what do u think obama will do if he is elected w/ a filibuster proof majority? before u answer take a look at obama's voting record on 2nd Amend issues......

if this does not concern u then u r really not a hunter...... I've already heard from some of the obama moles that have come in here to spread the propaganda & try to sway hunters to drink the kool-aid

The chart is from a non=partisan website and the link I posted is from his website which I posted because someone else had bogus figures saying they were from his site which was obviously wrong. Furthermore, Clinton had both houses of congress when he was elected president until the mid-term elections. Please do some research before posting on here.

Posted by davebastean on 11-03-2008 02:37 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by daustin
This shows approximately a 4% cut across the board on McCain's plan. Sounds pretty fair to me. How is it fair to tax someone who has worked hard to make a good living and prosper so that we may give the money to 4th generation welfare?

You probably think Bush is a great president too. 43% of the Bush tax cuts went to the top 1% of rich people. At the same time we have had record defficits year after year, the gap between the rich and the poor has gotten progressively worse, poverty is worse, we have spent billions on a war based on false claims and healthcare costs continue to soar. McCain is a lot closer to Bush than is Obama. People can argue what is fair or not but the world Bush has created is not my idea of what America should be.

Posted by davebastean on 11-03-2008 02:41 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Wingman66
davebastean...dont let these guys/gals worry you none. The wall street journal took a look at who's plan was the best. The end result was those that make $100,000.00 and less would fair better under obama. Those that made $100,000.00 and above would fair better under mcbush. I think I'll put more trust in the WSJ than a coonhound site.

I recall in 1991 rightwingers casting a certain candidate as a communist soviet sympathizer, gun grabber, whose economic program would ensure the demise of this great country. What happened when this candidate was elected? I forget. Oh thats right. We enjoyed the best economic times we will ever see again. Of course the cavefolks on this site blame the same person for the last 8 years of downhill bliss, instead of the actual person in charge from 00-08. Go figure that one...

Personally not a big fan of obama, and dislike mcbush three times as much. If the republicans had keep their mouths shut and said exactally what they were gonna do, I might have voted for mcbush. All the lies and propaganda they spread about obama turned me off and personally feel a slap in the face to the intelligence of the American people. When obama is elected tue, if he is, the republicans can blame one person and one person only. GW Bush for the flustercluck he created the last 8 years...

Obama was not my first choice either. You make some good points.

Posted by Knox on 11-03-2008 04:22 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Wingman66
davebastean...dont let these guys/gals worry you none. The wall street journal took a look at who's plan was the best. The end result was those that make $100,000.00 and less would fair better under obama. Those that made $100,000.00 and above would fair better under mcbush. I think I'll put more trust in the WSJ than a coonhound site.

I recall in 1991 rightwingers casting a certain candidate as a communist soviet sympathizer, gun grabber, whose economic program would ensure the demise of this great country. What happened when this candidate was elected? I forget. Oh thats right. We enjoyed the best economic times we will ever see again. Of course the cavefolks on this site blame the same person for the last 8 years of downhill bliss, instead of the actual person in charge from 00-08. Go figure that one...

Personally not a big fan of obama, and dislike mcbush three times as much. If the republicans had keep their mouths shut and said exactally what they were gonna do, I might have voted for mcbush. All the lies and propaganda they spread about obama turned me off and personally feel a slap in the face to the intelligence of the American people. When obama is elected tue, if he is, the republicans can blame one person and one person only. GW Bush for the flustercluck he created the last 8 years...

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Posted by Daren McKenzie on 11-03-2008 04:54 PM:

yea right

Those 8 years were years that Reagan had brought this country to...nothing slick willy did.....and for your info. the economy was already starting to go down when slick willy went out of office...so blow that smoke up someone that will listen....by the way are you an american, do you acknowledge the US Flag? Probably not if you are for nobama.........

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This is his site Didn't a lot of people scare us that Bill Clinton would take our guns and hunting rights away too? Instead we got 8 years of prosperity.

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Posted by ringtail on 11-03-2008 11:49 PM:

well??????????

dave, I'm waiting for ur chart (the one that facters in the expired Bush tax cuts)......... I don't have to research, I remember the Clinton days well.... Bill had a demo congress for 2 yrs, the other 6 were under republicans......

knox, I'm waiting for ur specific answer (what is osama going to do)?

Wing, no that does not give a specific answer what ur man will do, but it is a typical liberal response......

dave, knox, wing,

do ya'll have any concerns about the posibility of obama being elected to office with a filibuster proof majority? if no, why not? or is that what u all are secretly hoping for???????????

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Posted by ringtail on 11-04-2008 12:21 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Wingman66
Mr. McCain how many houses do you own?

Mr. McCain...ummmm lets see...ummm...ummm...huh can I get back with you?

Nuff said...

Sen Obama if your elected president, what will you do to build our economy and what will you do to give a boost short term to start that process?

senator Obama..... uhhh what we must do..... uhhh 1st we must uhhhh.... we uhhh have to uhhh...... uhhh I will uhhh.... i uh we uhh must uhh will uhhh.... huh huh (slight chuckle) I haven't had much sleep in the passed few days......

you see wingman, if u want too, u can find just as many if not more gaffs on obama's part..... he is at his best (big chuckle) we he is caught off guard and not expecting the question........

nuff said.....

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Posted by rance56 on 11-04-2008 12:24 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by davebastean

is this household income, or just each wage earner?

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Posted by liberalcreek on 11-04-2008 01:24 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by davebastean

According to the tax calculator on obama's own website, those numbers you give are not true.

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Posted by Mike Donaldson on 11-04-2008 02:09 AM:

Father/Daughter Talk
A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others around her with liberal ideals, she was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth. She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his. One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school. Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying. Her father listened and then asked, 'How is your friend Audrey doing?' She replied, 'Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over.' Her wise father asked his daughter, 'Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA.' The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, 'That's a crazy idea, and how would that be fair! I've worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!'
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Posted by tanner1979 on 11-04-2008 03:11 AM:

liberalcreek, I went and looked at your numbers and they are a bit wrong. Your numbers are fine if there are only two in the home and you dont have a house payment. This sight says if you make 30,000 and there are 3 in the home and if you owe 50,000 on your house you will get back 1424 under Obama and under McCain you get only 286. I think this is a big differnce. Your numbers will not work for most people as most people owe money on their home. Most people also have more than 2 people in the home. I would also think these number will go up if you save for ret. I dont care who people are voting for but I do think we should use real numbers when making a post like you did.

Posted by rance56 on 11-04-2008 03:13 AM:

if things we so great under clinton why didnt yall elect gore his VP for another 4 years and if things were so bad for the past 8 years why was bush in the white house for the past 4?

1 other question for the obama supporters, personally what have you done recently or currently doing to improve you skill sets and qualifications?

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Posted by smokin-1-mo on 11-04-2008 03:31 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by rance56
if things we so great under clinton why didnt yall elect gore his VP for another 4 years and if things were so bad for the past 8 years why was bush in the white house for the past 4?

1 other question for the obama supporters, personally what have you done recently or currently doing to improve you skill sets and qualifications?

you will not get a straight answer on this one........that makes sence...........

Posted by daustin on 11-04-2008 03:46 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by davebastean
You probably think Bush is a great president too. 43% of the Bush tax cuts went to the top 1% of rich people. At the same time we have had record defficits year after year, the gap between the rich and the poor has gotten progressively worse, poverty is worse, we have spent billions on a war based on false claims and healthcare costs continue to soar. McCain is a lot closer to Bush than is Obama. People can argue what is fair or not but the world Bush has created is not my idea of what America should be.

That 43% is considered in dollar amounts. What is your definition of rich by the way? Clinton could have prevented this war but but she wouldn't. She had Bin Laden located and sighted in on and wouldn't pull the trigger. I'm glad McCain is closer to Bush than is Obama. I would like to keep my guns thank you.

We have created America not Bush. Keep in mind that the president really has very very very little power. It is the congress that runs the country. The problem in this election is that we could see a fully democratic congress and president. This really cuts out the checks and balance system. The president has the power to sign or veto a bill. He can't even cut out all the CRAP that is attached to it from both sides. So consider this. Our democratic congress enacts a bill to ban all semi automatic weapons. Some wiseass senator attaches a bill to it that raises taxes on firearms and ammo 300%. Some other senator adds in a 1 trillion dollar federal grant to build a bridge across a field to this bill. It goes in front of a democratic president that is as far left as any of us have seen in our lifetimes; what's going to happen?
ANSWER: Somewhere there will be a bridge being built across a field!

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Posted by davebastean on 11-04-2008 04:10 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by liberalcreek
According to the tax calculator on obama's own website, those numbers you give are not true.

I know that. That's because the chart is from a non partisan group and the other is Obama's site. Both agree that Obamas plan will put more money in the pockets of the middle class. The question is how much more.

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