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Posted by coon dawg on 01-29-2004 04:04 PM:

btt

Posted by Art Thompson on 01-29-2004 04:11 PM:

What I don't understand is the post question was about what they needed to improve as far as what other hunters have seen witht the dogs they have hunted with? But then when people give there honest (I have to assume that since I don't know allot of these people personally) opion then I see Red bone people posting statements like that is bull or look at my nite champion! Lets drop the tail gate ect?

With no disrespect intended perhaps thay is why your breed has the lowest reproductive levels of all the breeds? I thought it was an informative post. I would love to see those red dogs make a return to prominance. But honest self evaluation of what has happened to the breed and constructive critism is the only way the breed will improve. That goes for all breeders of all breeds.

One definition of insanity is to keep doing the same things and expect different results.

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Posted by Joe Maitland on 01-29-2004 04:45 PM:

Tim-

here's one in Wisconsin that can still do it. You are right though Art, the purpose of the post was to ask what could be improved. You see here- now this dog apparently has excessively active saliva glands. I guess he ought to be culled, eh?

http://www.hunt101.com/img/095215.jpg

Posted by Joe Maitland on 01-29-2004 04:48 PM:

somebody-

help me out here. Apparently I don't know how to post pictures right. Guess I ought to be culled. Have to wait til spring, too much frost to dig a hole now.

Posted by Art Thompson on 01-29-2004 05:00 PM:

No Joe as long as he trees coons and has the meat that is what counts. I don't care about glands, or feet just if that dog can tree the meat! I don't care how pretty he can stand of his feet just once again give me a dog with the meat! haha I am a poet and did not even know it! LOL

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Posted by OLD TIMER on 01-29-2004 05:00 PM:

Don't worry-

coyotes would have you gone long before the frost is out!

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Posted by John D on 01-29-2004 05:02 PM:

Joe, you got the hard part done, putting your picture on Hunt101 and saving the link. NOw, when you post, you only have to add an image statement around your link.

It should look exactly like this:

[i mg]http://www.hunt101.com/img/095215.jpg[/i mg]

EXCEPT, take the space out between the 'i" and the "m" at the beginning and the end. I put the space in so you could see the code.

Posted by Billy George on 01-29-2004 05:15 PM:

IMO,

The only thing the breed's other then the walkers lack are about twenty to thirty people who hunt hard,and promote what they hunt.

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Posted by Tim Hoeck on 01-29-2004 05:41 PM:

Joe,Nice picture. Who is it ?
Tim

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Posted by wade lucking on 01-29-2004 05:43 PM:

nt.ch.gr.ch. l & i red hot wylie

time to show off what you got, this is my daul champion wylie
he is off my late gr.ch.nt.ch. lucking's red tornado and his dam is 'pr' ilers south fork star who needs 5 points any casts win to be nt.ch.(my cousin quit hunting) star is off of gr.ch.nt.ch.lucking's raisin kane(kane and tornado have the same sire nt.ch.ch.lucking's kn. lake trooper

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AND THE PAST:
NT.CH.CH.LUCKING'S KN. LAKE TROOPER
NT.CH.GR.CH.LUCKING'S RAISIN KANE(son of trooper)
NT.CH.CH. LUCKING'S MAD MAGGIE(niece to tornado)
GR.CH.NT.CH.LUCKING'S RED TORNADO(son of trooper)
NT.CH.GR.CH.L&I RED HOT WYLIE(son of tornado)
'pr'lucking's northern red cowgirl (daughter of wylie)(needs just a 1st given to mark barnett)
nt.ch.gr.ch.Lucking's Midnite Desperado (son of cowgirl)(sold to bill tabler)
Nt.Ch.Ch. Desperado's Midnite 3 D(son of Desperado) (given to larry tabler)

Posted by wade lucking on 01-29-2004 05:52 PM:

gr.ch. zuks running rocky

this is rocky he has a 3rd place win in ukc and should finish to nt.ch. this year and should have been already with a better handler(no offense richard) i'm proud to say that rocky was bred raised and started at bred right kennel and say richard zuk owner of rocky is a good friend.

******nt.ch.paiges cumberland red jack
gr.ch. zuk's running rocky
******gr.ch. lucking's foxy lady(daughter of nt.ch.gr.ch. lucking's raisn kane)

Posted by wade lucking on 01-29-2004 06:11 PM:

'pr' lucking's northern red cowgirl

this is girl who i will be nt. hunting this year in competition. she is a go hunting loud mouth super track dog that gets hooked up and stays put. she is kinda like a walker she runs some whitetails and slick trees some to but i'm sure the brain will kick in when i strap that e collar around her neck. she is the best young dog i have ever owned bar none.

************nt.ch.ch.lucking's kn. lake trooper
********nt.ch.gr.ch. lucking's red tornado
************ch.lucking's red red
****nt.ch.gr.ch. l&i red hot wylie
************nt.ch.gr.ch. lucking's raisin kane(son of trooper)
********'pr' ilers south fork star(any cast win to make nt.ch.)
************'pr' rossow's red pepper(bear dog/wisconsin)
'PR' LUCKING'S NORTHERN RED COWGIRL
************nt.ch. go man sam
********gr.nt.ch. hoffmiesters rusty red
************'pr' mohagany sweet lu lu
**** 'pr' lucking's red belle
************gr.ch.nt.ch.bernards red rambo(off henning's cheif)
********ch. lucking's red red(tornado mother on top side)
************'pr' dancer red tuffy(off smith's red rowdy)

Posted by wade lucking on 01-29-2004 06:25 PM:

may

this is may and i'm proud to say she also came from bredright kennel she is off a male named duke that we got from randy cope of pa. duke is a half brother to our trooper dog. may was part of the deal on getting duke and randy did a great job hunting may, may is now owned by henry noss.

******nt.ch.powder hole dazzlin duke(owned by guy lucking)
nt.ch. powder hole maybellene
******gr.ch. lucking's red princess(sire lucking's trooper jr- full littermate brother to nt.ch.gr.ch.lucking's red tornado)

Posted by Tim Hoeck on 01-29-2004 06:32 PM:

Nice Pictures

Wade I am still waiting for a answer about a female

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Posted by Stretcher on 01-29-2004 06:33 PM:

Re: IMO,

quote:
Originally posted by Billy George
The only thing the breed's other then the walkers lack are about twenty to thirty people who hunt hard,and promote what they hunt.

Well put!!!!!!!

Posted by Joe Maitland on 01-29-2004 06:41 PM:

Tim-

Gr.Nt.Ch. South Branch Midnite Pete. In the background the tree climber is Gr.Nt.Ch. Mosquito Creek Outlaw Sue.

Art, my friend you are a wonderful poet. I do have one question, though. I see you hunt the "Old Hickory Nut Harry" walkers. Was Old Harry much of a reproducer? What was his % compared to the top 10 redbones of today?

Billy George- I see what you mean about the red dogs needing more hard hunters. By the sounds of your motto, you might need to do a little more huntin' yourself. Then you might not need somebody else to find you a treedog, eh?

John D.- thanks for the posting advice. Your are a scholar and a gentle........Ok, a scholar.lol

Wade slow down. You're clogging the server again. Go outside and stick your head in a snowbank and count to 10. Ok try counting to 3 first.

Posted by Tim Hoeck on 01-29-2004 06:46 PM:

Joe

I thought it was pete but not sure. How old is he now ? What did you guys do with Sage ? She looked good at Redbone Days last year. Did you see the post from McBride that the pup he got from you is starting to turn it on.
Tim

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Posted by wade lucking on 01-29-2004 07:27 PM:

joe i was just getting started and you already want me to stop, remember me a guy got more redbones than some states all together.lol i just thought if you got them show'm off didn't realize ther was something wrong with a good redbone treeing.

Posted by OLD TIMER on 01-29-2004 07:28 PM:

You mean Little Joe-

is a half brother to the hound in front and a son of the tree climber?

How do you get the cotton candy to stick to their mouths like that?

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Posted by Art Thompson on 01-29-2004 07:30 PM:

Joe, no I do not hunt Hickory Nut Harry dogs, I hunt Lone Pine bred walkers, Mostly out of old clover, Cassey and some whitey stock and they are reproducers. The "Old Hickory" is just the kennel name my kids came up with.

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Posted by Art Thompson on 01-29-2004 07:31 PM:

Oh Joe one thing though I don't know what old Harry or even Young Harry's numbers are but I would bet they are better than any of the Red dogs out there. What is the % of the top red dog?

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Posted by Billy George on 01-29-2004 09:39 PM:

Joe Maitland,
I have two black dog that can run and tree a coon with no problem. They are not what I consider a "treedog". The only dog I owned that I would call a "treedog" died in December. I will never find another treedog as classy as Hoss,and if I do It will take a lot of people to find one like him..

Posted by wade lucking on 01-29-2004 11:08 PM:

billy what to consider a tree dog

Posted by coon dawg on 01-30-2004 12:09 PM:

btt

still waitin'..........................ANYBODY know of a good redbone COON DAWG here in Georgia??...........there are some real good hounds of the other 5 breeds here..................guess I'll have to go clear to North Carolina to find one.

Posted by coon dawg on 01-30-2004 01:15 PM:

btt

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