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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 01-01-2011 01:31 AM:

Man I was sad to see UCF beat Georgia. I wanted Georgia to win so they would go out on a good note. Now when Boise kills them next year at Georgia it won't mean as much.

Posted by fatboy77 on 01-01-2011 01:46 AM:

you guys keep saying how great the sec is but when they lose all we hear is how its unfair for an sec 9 to play an acc 5 or however it was stated earlier
I THOUGHT THE SEC WAS THE BEST CON. PERIOD

if that was the truth the tenn unc game would not have turned out that way

so where would have tenn ranked in the acc had they played there
i cant wait to here this answer

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Posted by Traxx Addict on 01-01-2011 01:55 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by fatboy77
you guys keep saying how great the sec is but when they lose all we hear is how its unfair for an sec 9 to play an acc 5 or however it was stated earlier
I THOUGHT THE SEC WAS THE BEST CON. PERIOD

if that was the truth the tenn unc game would not have turned out that way

so where would have tenn ranked in the acc had they played there
i cant wait to here this answer

Fatboy..I am not going to get into the SEC debate and I am not even a huge college football fan in the least.... but the UT/UNC game last night was the worst officiated game I have ever seen in my life. The refs allowed UNC to put the ball in play with at least 16 UNC men on the field, allowed a catch that was clearly out of bounds, and restarted a game they had officially declared over with.

Both teams made mistakes, but UNC had the refs on their side the last few seconds of the game.

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 01-01-2011 02:20 AM:

What about the late hit late in the 4th quarter by Tenn that was CLEARLY a late hit that would have given NC the ball in the redzone with a very good chance to win it. Look Tenn was not a goood team and neither was Carolina. If the SEC was as dominant as you all think they would be winning these bowl games REGARDLESS of playing up or down to other confrences.

Posted by Traxx Addict on 01-01-2011 02:32 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
What about the late hit late in the 4th quarter by Tenn that was CLEARLY a late hit that would have given NC the ball in the redzone with a very good chance to win it. Look Tenn was not a goood team and neither was Carolina. If the SEC was as dominant as you all think they would be winning these bowl games REGARDLESS of playing up or down to other confrences.

Hoosierman..had you actually read my post, you would have seen where I said...."Both teams made mistakes".

I have more important things in my life than to get bent out of shape over a game played by thugs, convicts and kids who otherwise would have been working the drive thru at mickey D's.

Had I not been at a friends house and his child and mine watching the game I would never have watched it in the first place. I could care less about SEC, ACC and the petty, useless college football hoopla.

I saw a game that was poorly officiated and the mistakes of the referees in the final seconds of the game took a win from the Tennessee Team.

As you can see from an earlier post, complete with a link and source, the officials on the rules committee came out and publicly stated that the snap should have never been allowed and the game was over.

I laugh at those who get bent out of shape over a stupid college football game. Good grief folks... Grow up. it is a stupid game.

This country is being overtaken by a regime that has openly stated they want to collapse this economy, bankrupt industries, raise taxes to record levels, and fundamentally transform this country by removing freedom, Liberty and replacing it with Socialism.....And yet grown men find more time and energy to argue over whose football conference is superior?? Good grief.

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Posted by mjones on 01-01-2011 04:03 AM:

the sec starting out rough

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 01-01-2011 06:17 AM:

All jokes aside I'm hoping you all are seeing what I have been saying months ago. The SEC is just another confrence no different then the other major confrences. They all have 1 or 2 great teams a few decent teams and the rest are below average teams. Boise could have beaten any team in the nation, if you watched them all year you'd see that. A playof would do wonders for college football but fact is money talks. What a shame.

Posted by Rip on 01-01-2011 09:08 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
What about the late hit late in the 4th quarter by Tenn that was CLEARLY a late hit that would have given NC the ball in the redzone with a very good chance to win it. Look Tenn was not a goood team and neither was Carolina. If the SEC was as dominant as you all think they would be winning these bowl games REGARDLESS of playing up or down to other confrences.

Hoosier do you even watch FB? That was not a late hit. That was an uncalled CLIP on the UNC player who shoved the TN player into the guy laying on the ground.

It was number 49 and the clear foul was the clip he performed on the guy causing him to land on the player.

That's why he first held both hands up, then ran over and started pointing trying to draw the late hit flag.

That was clearly not a late hit and the video evidence is there to prove it.

But that isn't what the NCAA is talking about. They have already stated that they will change the end of the game next year. That is so things like happened to Tennessee can't happen to someone else. They will publically state "they called a good game but we are going to change the rules". If they did things right there would be no reason to change anything. They are changing it because they were so incompetent the didn't get it even close to right and it decided a game.

I was shocked that those officials already said what they did about it clearly being wrong. Usually they never do that, they come out and publicaly support the officials and say they were right regardless of the actual rules (they are just commenting on whether or not they were in position to make the call actually, they don't add to the controversy by admitting they made a bad call). Then the team that was wrong gets a letter of apology a year or so later after the investigation and if it was really bad they change things to keep that from happening again.

They are changing things on this one.

As a competitor you never like to make excuses but in this particular case the officials actually decided the game, not the play on the field.

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Posted by blake jones on 01-01-2011 01:57 PM:

the sec is still probably the best conference overall. this year probably being the closet competition from other conferences. NOW I DID NOT SAY THE SEC HAS THE BEST FOOTBALL TEAMS ACROSS THE BOARD, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. put the sec against any individual conference and they will come out on top.
example-
sec vs only big 10
sec vs only big 12
sec vs only pac 10
sec vs only acc
etc.
that would be apples to apples oranges to oranges
there is no single conference that could take on everybody else and come out on top. all 4 losses of the sec so far have been close games and thats what you like to see. blow outs are only exciting if its your team, kind of boring to the rest of the country.
the matchups betwen the sec and the big 10 are about the closet out there, and the big 10 does have some good teams this year. these should be some good games whatever the outcome.

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 01-01-2011 03:52 PM:

Rip what about the hit where thr Tennessee guy launched himself into the NC guy late in the 4th quarter? That is not acceptable. As a player you have got to think where you're at on the field and 15 yards is HUGE. Also, all Tennessee had to do was stop NC with around a minute left. NC had no timeouts left either for crying out loud. The only team that blew it was 5ennessee. Horrible coaching, you NEVER give up the long pass late in a gamr! Drop all you're guys back and give them the short 10 yard passes. Don't blame the rule that has always been! It was you're coaches fault. Wanting to claim a win in that case is bad Rip.

Posted by IA cooner on 01-01-2011 04:03 PM:

boy those SEC fans are sure digging deep now to defend the
so called best conference LOL. sure has not started out to good.
wonder what ther excuses will be now. Big 10 started out 2-0 big test will be today with good games between big10 and sec

Posted by Traxx Addict on 01-01-2011 04:07 PM:

Good Grief.... yep...Tennessee made some stupid plays that rewarded them with penalties ...So did UNC.

The bottom line is Tennessee was WINNING with one second to go and the refs allowed UNC to spike the ball with the UNC offensive line and most of the UNC kicking team BOTH on the field. Last I checked, more than 11 men on the field is illegal. Last I checked, the REFS are to stand over the ball until; all teams are in place.

BOTTOM LINE IS....The Ref officials have admitted the bad calls stole the win from Tennessee.

BOTTOM LINE IS.... Sports News is reporting that The University of Tennessee will be issued an apology from the Big Ten ref committee for the bad call that cost them the "W".

Time to grow up boys....There is more to life than degenerate thugs playing a game.

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Posted by Traxx Addict on 01-01-2011 04:14 PM:

BTW...because of the sickening calls of the ref in the UNC/UT game the national coordinator for college football officials says there will be rules changed and created to keep the embarrassment from happening again.

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Posted by Traxx Addict on 01-01-2011 04:27 PM:

One last thought, and I am out of this one...

Let me clarify that I don't have a dog in the fight, didn't spend time on either of those college's in my youth, and don't wear anyone's sweat shirt. I just happened to ave watched the game.
From watching the game it would seem that Tn has a lot more to look forward to next season than does Carolina. That is if their young QB calms down and learns not to make those hand gestures after each score.
The Big Ten officials took the outcome of the THAT game out of the hands of the coaches and players.

And apparently from watching the news , this has become a common occurrence this week. Twice the Big 10 officials have taken a win, however sloppy it may have been, from an SEC team.

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 01-01-2011 04:44 PM:

Oh now its getting good. Those poor SEC teams need all the help they can get. Just like when a bad Clemson team BEAT Auburn on a last second field goal earlier in the year. Once the ball sailed through the uprights a flag was thrown. If the SEC is the confrence all you boys said it was they do not need any help to win games. The SEC is afraid to schedule good OOC games because they're afraid they'll be exposed. I said all along the SEC was not impressive at all this year. Who believes me know? Are the competitive? Sure they are but no more so then the ACC BIG TEN OR BIG TWELVE.

Posted by Rip on 01-01-2011 05:21 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
Rip what about the hit where thr Tennessee guy launched himself into the NC guy late in the 4th quarter? That is not acceptable. As a player you have got to think where you're at on the field and 15 yards is HUGE. Also, all Tennessee had to do was stop NC with around a minute left. NC had no timeouts left either for crying out loud. The only team that blew it was 5ennessee. Horrible coaching, you NEVER give up the long pass late in a gamr! Drop all you're guys back and give them the short 10 yard passes. Don't blame the rule that has always been! It was you're coaches fault. Wanting to claim a win in that case is bad Rip.

Hosiserman, that call was blown as well.

There is absolutely positively no "launching rule" in college football.

The rule states that you can not hit a defensless player by leading with the crown of your helmet, nor target above the shoulders with the helmet or shoulderpads when hitting a defensless player. He did neither. He led with the shoulder and hit him below his shoulderblades. 100% legal hit in college football per the rules. They also have a specific list of what a defensless player is.

Now I don't blame them for calling it, it was close and it was a judgement call. Even in the article above the officials were quoted as saying that was a judgement call that would only be called 50/50. On replay it was clear that he didn't lead with the helmet and that he did not target him above the shoulders, but that was with the aide of replay.

However he did not catch the ball. Multiple replays show that the pass was incomplete. He was clearly juggling it until he landed out of bounds and never had control of the ball until he trapped it on the ground. The replay looking between the coaches on the sidelines showed that clear as day, but I don't know if the replay official had that view or not but it was a bad call.

Those calls are not what we are talking about though. Those are judgement calls that can have an impact on the game, but they are part of the game. That's why I never mentioned them. They didn't cause the outcome of the game to change because Tennessee was able to overcome those bad calls. Just like they were able to overcome missing the extra point. (which would have made the end much different, you could say that lost them the game too but they overcame it).

Illegally continuing a game and then allowing that team you illegally continued the game for have a 10 yard closer field goal attempt to tie because you walked off the wrong penalty yardage is unacceptable. It was in the heat of the moment, the officials were at best incompetent and frazzled, or at worst corrupt but they decided the game, not the players. They had replay to make sure they got it right, but for some reason they didn't do that. When the game was legally over Tennesee was the winner. After they illegally extended the game the other team was the winner. You can count that any way you want, but that's what happened and that's why IMO it's a push.

They don't change the entire rules of the game and issue apologies on the national level lightly. Hopefully no one else will be subject to that kind of improper handling of the game again.

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 01-01-2011 05:45 PM:

I won't argue with you about it Rip. Fact is you're coach failed to call the proper defense and it cost big. Who has one on one coverage at that stage in the game? The coach dropped the ball. NC could only do one thing to win that game. Throw up a prayer long pass. So as a coach you play a defense that takes away the long pass and gives up the short 10 yard passes. Tennessees coach failed to do that.

Posted by COLD TRACK on 01-01-2011 08:09 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
Oh now its getting good. Those poor SEC teams need all the help they can get. Just like when a bad Clemson team BEAT Auburn on a last second field goal earlier in the year. Once the ball sailed through the uprights a flag was thrown. If the SEC is the confrence all you boys said it was they do not need any help to win games. The SEC is afraid to schedule good OOC games because they're afraid they'll be exposed. I said all along the SEC was not impressive at all this year. Who believes me know? Are the competitive? Sure they are but no more so then the ACC BIG TEN OR BIG TWELVE.

certainly not me i dont believe in fairy tales or daffy duck or anything you say!!!!!!!!

you paid up yet

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 01-01-2011 08:13 PM:

Michigan State needs to just pack up and go home. They did not belong in this game. They were the biggest fraud in the nation. I said long ago when they were un beaten they were a joke, a few people laughed at me and said they were the real deal. I wonder who is laughing now. Go home Michigan State. Please don't tell me Alabama is a great team because there not, they proved that all year.

Posted by Traxx Addict on 01-01-2011 08:19 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
Michigan State needs to just pack up and go home. They did not belong in this game. They were the biggest fraud in the nation. I said long ago when they were un beaten they were a joke, a few people laughed at me and said they were the real deal. I wonder who is laughing now. Go home Michigan State. Please don't tell me Alabama is a great team because there not, they proved that all year.

LOL!!! Too Funny.

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Posted by chuck west on 01-01-2011 09:23 PM:

btt

is this Adios for Coach Rodrigez ??? ,,,ty chuck west

Posted by BLCKRIVREDBONES on 01-01-2011 09:29 PM:

Re: btt

quote:
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is this Adios for Coach Rodrigez ??? ,,,ty chuck west

He's gone tomorrow.

Posted by chuck west on 01-01-2011 09:38 PM:

Re: Re: btt

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He's gone tomorrow.

LOL couldn t happen to a nicer guy ,,ty chuck west Native of WVa

Posted by Traxx Addict on 01-01-2011 09:56 PM:

Hmmmm.

Watching the news, and the sports guy said the SEC is sweeping their bowl games today.

What's up with that ?? LOL!!

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 01-01-2011 10:20 PM:

So the confrence that is supposed to be leaps and bounds over the other confrences is now 500. Want a cookie?

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