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Here is anouther variable dog gets struck and is struggling with a track and shuts up next time you hear him he is a 800 yards deeper and rolling hot goes about 300 yards and trees and has the coon. The guy says boy my dog did a good job on that coon I said which one the first or second one ? I hurt his feelers lol.


So what percent would y’all give that dog ?


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Vic Stoll

I have found out that the really accurate coon dogs tree very few dens as opposed to digs that miss a lot. Now I accept the fact that you are going to tree some dens, but not a lot. We tree very few dens and actually find over half the coons that tree in a den. You will see that a accurate dog does not tree a bunch of dens, a lot of dens are just slick trees especially this time of year where rutting coons check dens and move on looking for mates. I do not buy the only tree dens this time of year, not with an accurate dog. Dave

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I think some on here are misinterpreting my comments. I do not and will not put up with a slick treeing dog
On a good night when cppn are down and moving there's no reason to be missing. It's on the nights that the cards are all stacked against you he has to gamble to pull the proverbial rabbit out of the hat that other dogs don't know exist . The difference is a coondog or coontreer

A MVP runningback doesn't have positive yardage everytime
He will have runs of no gain, loss, and even fumbles, but he's always shooting for the endzone.end zone.

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Richard

I get your point, but here's my take on accuracy, a real accurate dog that knows when the coon is there at least what I have witnessed. Example, the most accurate dog I have even owned or hunted with would not even pull s bark up a slick tree no matter how many digs were treeing or how hard they were treeing. She would go out trailing and tree the coon, she was a fast tree dog and you could tree her on her locate. I have seen other dogs locate, get down and circle the tree before coming back and treeing that still missed, she just did not miss. Accurate digs have both nose and brain power. We are hunting one now that will tree a coon here and when you shoot that coon will drop 100 yards and fall treed on another if it's there, he just knows where those coons are. All the truly accurate dogs I have hunted had uncanny ability to tree coons other dogs did not know existed and paid no attention to dogs treeing slick. Dave

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
I have found out that the really accurate coon dogs tree very few dens as opposed to digs that miss a lot. Now I accept the fact that you are going to tree some dens, but not a lot. We tree very few dens and actually find over half the coons that tree in a den. You will see that a accurate dog does not tree a bunch of dens, a lot of dens are just slick trees especially this time of year where rutting coons check dens and move on looking for mates. I do not buy the only tree dens this time of year, not with an accurate dog. Dave

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by yadkintar
[B]Here is anouther variable dog gets struck and is struggling with a track and shuts up next time you hear him he is a 800 yards deeper and rolling hot goes about 300 yards and trees and has the coon. The guy says boy my dog did a good job on that coon I said which one the first or second one ? I hurt his feelers lol.


So what percent would y’all give that dog ?


I'd say he may not be the best trail dog if he couldn't work it out but for me, if he can't figure it out I'm ok with him leaving the track to find one he can run. Not super proud of him but at least I'm not a mile in the woods staring at empty limbs. I'd have to claim he's smart enough to know he's not great haha but at least he's honest

Dave, I also have owned and seen that kind of dog. That's what I call brains and independence to think for their self
Willing to go the extra distance to try to be right he gambled that he was right that takes a dog with extra

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Your scenario has a track going away from the tree mine did not.

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Dave,
I think we like the same type of dog just look at it at different angles.

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Yes yours does. Your dog just didn't know it.

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Richard

You are correct, we both love a real coon dog. Dave

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
I get your point, but here's my take on accuracy, a real accurate dog that knows when the coon is there at least what I have witnessed. Example, the most accurate dog I have even owned or hunted with would not even pull s bark up a slick tree no matter how many digs were treeing or how hard they were treeing. She would go out trailing and tree the coon, she was a fast tree dog and you could tree her on her locate. I have seen other dogs locate, get down and circle the tree before coming back and treeing that still missed, she just did not miss. Accurate digs have both nose and brain power. We are hunting one now that will tree a coon here and when you shoot that coon will drop 100 yards and fall treed on another if it's there, he just knows where those coons are. All the truly accurate dogs I have hunted had uncanny ability to tree coons other dogs did not know existed and paid no attention to dogs treeing slick. Dave

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
I have found out that the really accurate coon dogs tree very few dens as opposed to digs that miss a lot. Now I accept the fact that you are going to tree some dens, but not a lot. We tree very few dens and actually find over half the coons that tree in a den. You will see that a accurate dog does not tree a bunch of dens, a lot of dens are just slick trees especially this time of year where rutting coons check dens and move on looking for mates. I do not buy the only tree dens this time of year, not with an accurate dog. Dave

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Pamjohnson

I tend to agree regarding dens, maybe not squirrel all the time, but certainly some if the time. It's the rutting coons that mess a lot of scent driven dogs to tree a lot of dens. I believe the real accurate dogs with brains just won't pull up on light scent, they kind of know when it's there or not. Even some dogs that know better will back a slick treeing dog sort of like a bird dog backing another dogs point. Now the really accurate dog will not tree with old slick, but go on and tree the correct tree with the coon. Accuracy is born not man made in a dog, now you can correct old slick and put him to looking for where the coon went and he may tree the coon right, but will never be a real accurate dog on his own. A naturally accurate dog does not need help in locating the correct tree. Man can help, but never really make those truly accurate dogs, it's just natural. Dave

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
I tend to agree regarding dens, maybe not squirrel all the time, but certainly some if the time. It's the rutting coons that mess a lot of scent driven dogs to tree a lot of dens. I believe the real accurate dogs with brains just won't pull up on light scent, they kind of know when it's there or not. Even some dogs that know better will back a slick treeing dog sort of like a bird dog backing another dogs point. Now the really accurate dog will not tree with old slick, but go on and tree the correct tree with the coon. Accuracy is born not man made in a dog, now you can correct old slick and put him to looking for where the coon went and he may tree the coon right, but will never be a real accurate dog on his own. A naturally accurate dog does not need help in locating the correct tree. Man can help, but never really make those truly accurate dogs, it's just natural. Dave

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Vic Stoll

I will give you my take on den trees, based on what I have experienced with 4 dogs that I called a COON DOG. Maybe 2 to 3 dens in a month of hunting 5 to six nights a week, rarely treeing a den tree. The more ACCURATE the dog the less dens you will tree. When other local hunters are complaining about all the dens they are treeing and my hunting partner and myself are treeing few dens, hunting in the same weather conditions and same hunting areas, treeing coons on the outside every night, I know it's the dogs accuracy that makes the difference. If you are making a lot of dens every night, you need to look at what's on the end of your chain. I used to hear from other hunters in my area that would tell me how lucky I was treeing coons every night, I told them Luck has nothing to do with it, it's dog power. By the way, we were taking the coons we caught to another local hunter as he was skinning the coons, so he kept all of the hunters aware of how many coons we were catching on nights they were not getting a coon. I can feed a good dog as cheap as a plug. Lol. Dave

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Boy we better hope all you 90% accurate boys don’t show up at the tournament of champions. Us ametures won’t stand a chance.



To poor to buy one to big a dummy to train one !!!


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Boy we better hope all you 90% accurate boys don’t show up at the tournament of champions. Us ametures won’t stand a chance.



To poor to buy one to big a dummy to train one !!!


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I might be there. But I don't think I have a dog that fits in that 90% category.

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Boy we better hope all you 90% accurate boys don’t show up at the tournament of champions. Us ametures won’t stand a chance.



To poor to buy one to big a dummy to train one !!!


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Originally posted by Dave Richards
I will give you my take on den trees, based on what I have experienced with 4 dogs that I called a COON DOG. Maybe 2 to 3 dens in a month of hunting 5 to six nights a week, rarely treeing a den tree. The more ACCURATE the dog the less dens you will tree. When other local hunters are complaining about all the dens they are treeing and my hunting partner and myself are treeing few dens, hunting in the same weather conditions and same hunting areas, treeing coons on the outside every night, I know it's the dogs accuracy that makes the difference. If you are making a lot of dens every night, you need to look at what's on the end of your chain. I used to hear from other hunters in my area that would tell me how lucky I was treeing coons every night, I told them Luck has nothing to do with it, it's dog power. By the way, we were taking the coons we caught to another local hunter as he was skinning the coons, so he kept all of the hunters aware of how many coons we were catching on nights they were not getting a coon. I can feed a good dog as cheap as a plug. Lol. Dave

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Vic Stoll

Lol. My percentage of dens that's acceptable would definitely be less than 10 percent over the entire season, more like 5 percent. I know from experience that the better the dog, the less dens you will tree. Now your comment about different parts of the country having more issues with dens may be spot on. I don't think there is any way we can fairly judge dogs hunting in extreme conditions with the same measuring stick. What's fair is comparing the results produced in your area against the dogs hunting in the same area every night. My thoughts are that you already know these things, there just isn't a one fits all formula for the entire country on what's acceptable for everyone. If my buddies hunt 6 nights this week and tree 29 coons on the outside and only 1 den tree, my dogs hunting the same 6 nights better not tree 6 coons and 20 den trees. Lol. Dave. P.s. I think you would be fun to hunt with.

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I think I have a different opinion on how a dog locates a tree than most people. Most think a dog smells where he went up and can't find a track leaving, so the coon is there. I don't think that. I think dogs tree on body scent. They smell the coon in the tree and know he's there. Now comes the problem. If a coon sleeps in a tree all day there's going to be plenty residual scent there. Just like if he's been eating acorns for a couple of hours. The same with den trees. The accurate dogs know the difference in body scent and residual scent.

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I agree, the accurate dogs know the difference, the better nose with brains is what separates the truly great dogs from the run if the mill. Dave

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